# Star Wars: Status of humans WRT other races **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 24, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343 "2005-01-24T01:36:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/1 "2005-01-24T01:36:40Z")
In the original _Star Wars_ trilogy, I can never decide whether or not the Empire is a “Human Empire” where humans rule over other races. On the one hand, everybody, including humans, seems to be equally oppressed by the government. On the other hand, **all** the Imperial administrators, officers and troops are human, and so is the Emperor. _Attack of the Clones_ made it clear that the Stormtroopers are all modified clones of a human mercenary – which explains why they’re all the same species, as well as Princess Leia’s remark, “Aren’t you a little short for a Stormtrooper?” And in the Republic, at least, all species seem to be on equal terms, all are represented in the Senate, and the Jedi Knights are a multiracial organization. But in _The Phantom Menace,_ there is some evidence of ethnic tension between the humans of Nauboo and the Gungans, rather like that between “colonists” and “natives” in a 19th-Century European colony. Certainly the planetary government is all human and the Gungan leader is like a barely-tolerated tribal chief. Also, in both trilogies, humans seem to be the only species you’ll run into practically everywhere you go – suggesting they have some kind of undefined privileged status (like humans in the _Star Trek_ Federation, who appear to be the founding race, and the only one with colonies in multiple star systems – and Earth is cleary the center and capital-world of the Federation). I’m hoping Lucas will resolve this in the next movie by having Palpatine rise to absolute power on a “human supremacy” platform, but somehow I don’t really expect that even though it would make a lot of sense. Lucas has squandered every chance he’s ever given himself to explore real political issues. (We never even did find out what the Trade Federation’s blockade of Nauboo was all about, or whether the “Alliance to Restore the Republic” in the second trilogy envisions a united Republic or a galaxy of independent planets.) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/2 "2005-01-24T01:44:40Z")
I think that the official position is that, during the Republic, every species was equal. During the Empire, though, aliens were second class citizens at best, slaves at worst. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/3 "2005-01-24T01:46:53Z")
> [@](#): > > multiracial organization Correction: _multispecies_ organization. I never did figure out why people keep confusing the words race and species. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/4 "2005-01-24T01:54:16Z")
> [@smiling bandit](#): > > Correction: _multispecies_ organization. I never did figure out why people keep confusing the words race and species. It’s not entirely improper, is it? The phrase “human race” is considered perfectly acceptable usage. On the other hand, there was a time when “race” meant **family** – as in the description of a noble family as one “of ancient race,” which you’ll find in Thackeray and many other sources. Also, Barry Lyndon, speaking of the death of his only son, laments that “it was not destined that I should leave any of my race to live after me,” or words to that effect. And I read in Durant that Alkibiades claimed he had cuckolded the king of Sparta, not because he did anything so weak and undignified as falling in love with the queen, but because he could not resist the chance to “found a race of kings” – although that, of course, would be a translation from the Greek and more than one rendering might be defensible. So that’s why people keep confusing “race” and “species” – because “species” is a word of precise definition and “race” is one whose meaning has changed a great deal over time. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/5 "2005-01-24T02:21:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > (We never even did find out what the Trade Federation’s blockade of Nauboo was all about… Just a W.A.G. of my own, but I had presumed it went something like this: The Trade Federation had a Republic-granted monopoly on interstellar trade in that sector of the galaxy. But the Trade Federation demanded that Nauboo sign a trade agreement that would practically dictate the planet’s government and economy. Nauboo refused on grounds of planetary sovereignty. So the Trade Federation was technically entitled to establish a blockade _pending negotiations_, but it was clear that their demands were excessive and would not be upheld. So the Trade Federation invaded, assured by Darth Sideous that he could stall any reaction by the Senate long enough that the Trade Federation could get a treaty signed at gunpoint that would validate their actions. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/6 "2005-01-24T02:32:31Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > But the Trade Federation demanded that Nauboo sign a trade agreement that would practically dictate the planet’s government and economy. Ah, so “Trade Federation” is Lucasspeak for “WTO”! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/7 "2005-01-24T02:34:35Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > I think that the official position is that, during the Republic, every species was equal. During the Empire, though, aliens were second class citizens at best, slaves at worst. “Official position”? Has Lucas (who, presumably, has sole authority over what is and is not SW canon) ever said anything to that effect? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/8 "2005-01-24T02:37:54Z")
In certain of the books it’s made clear that the Emperor had a very firm prejudice against non-humans. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/9 "2005-01-24T02:39:23Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > In certain of the books it’s made clear that the Emperor had a very firm prejudice against non-humans. :dubious: Including Darth Maul? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/10 "2005-01-24T03:36:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > …also, in both trilogies, humans seem to be the only species you’ll run into practically everywhere you go – suggesting they have some kind of undefined privileged status […] like humans in the _Star Trek_ Federation, who appear to be the founding race, and the only one with colonies in multiple star systems – and Earth is cleary the center and capital-world of the Federation… Brief hijack but those two points are no longer the case in Trek. \*Enterprise \*has referenced many alien colonies and has recently made the fanon (fan canon) founding of the Federation by Earth, Vulcan, Andor, and Tellar into established canon. Earth is clearly the dominant planet in the Federation though. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/11 "2005-01-24T04:22:02Z")
Don’t forget that in one of the Star Wars movies, a comment is made about how Tatooine is off limits to the Empire because it was controlled by the Hut. That would certainly sound like there is at least some accomodation between races, and that not all races are equally subjugated. Also, there seem to be races that are immune to the force (probably make those stupid Midicloreans or whatever they’re called ill). But other races, like Yoda’s, are strong in the force. So maybe that’s where the dividing line is - between races that are part of the ‘force’, and those that aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/12 "2005-01-24T04:27:53Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Don’t forget that in one of the Star Wars movies, a comment is made about how Tatooine is off limits to the Empire because it was controlled by the Hut. In the original SW movie (Episode IV, that is), the Empire operated freely on Tatooine, even to the point of butchering Luke’s aunt and uncle, and interrogating everyone passing through Mos Eisley. But in _Phantom Menace,_ Tatooine is effectively outside the Republic, which is why Republic credits are no good there and slavery is legal. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/13 "2005-01-24T05:10:00Z")
The only way any Imperial “prejudice” made sense was simply in terms of the Emperor using it to screw over potential non-human rivals. In practical terms he himself never apparently cared. And it really didn’t make much sense when the EU writers put it in. > [@](#): > > So that’s why people keep confusing “race” and “species” – because “species” is a word of precise definition and “race” is one whose meaning has changed a great deal over time. Dilbert’s Boss: Don’t go confusing my slogans with your logic! 🙂 It seems unwieldy to use it when talking about completely alien species, to me. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/14 "2005-01-24T05:38:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > (We never even did find out what the Trade Federation’s blockade of Nauboo was all about Well, all the crawl at the beginning of the movie says about it is: > [@](#): > > The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute. I had sort of gotten the impression that the Republic had weakened so much that it couldn’t collect taxes in the outlying systems. So the Trade Federation had been avoiding taxes on their trade routes. Finally, just before the movie started, the Senate decided to crack down on this and start taxing the trade routes again. So the Trade Federation, upset at the loss of revenue, and assured by Darth Sideous that a show of strength would make the Senate back down, blockaded Naboo. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/15 "2005-01-24T08:31:19Z")
In Star Wars in 1977, I don’t think they had the budget to do a lot of costumed characters for the Empire. It was probably easier to do it all as humans. The prequels benefit from CGI, making it possible to have a more diverse universe. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-status-of-humans-wrt-other-races/286343/16 "2005-01-24T10:14:34Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > I had sort of gotten the impression that the Republic had weakened so much that it couldn’t collect taxes in the outlying systems. So the Trade Federation had been avoiding taxes on their trade routes. Finally, just before the movie started, the Senate decided to crack down on this and start taxing the trade routes again. So the Trade Federation, upset at the loss of revenue, and assured by Darth Sideous that a show of strength would make the Senate back down, blockaded Naboo. Huh. It was my impression that the Trade Federation was the one _collecting_ the taxes - that the Republic had subcontracted its revenue collection to private bodies like the TF, leaving the door open for a great dea of corruption. There is historical precident for [tax farming](http://www.unrv.com/economy/roman-taxes.php) > [@](#): > > Tax farmers (Publicani) were used to collect these taxes from the provincials. Rome, in eliminating its own burden for this process, would put the collection of taxes up for auction every few years. The Publicani would bid for the right to collect in particular regions, and pay the state in advance of this collection. These payments were, in effect, loans to the state and Rome was required to pay interest back to the Publicani. As an offset, the Publicani had the individual responsibility of converting properties and goods collected into coinage, alleviating this hardship from the treasury. In the end, the collectors would keep anything in excess of what they bid plus the interest due from the treasury; with the risk being that they might not collect as much as they originally bid. > > Tax farming proved to be an incredibly profitable enterprise and served to increase the treasury, as well as line the pockets of the Publicani. However, the process was ripe with corruption and scheming. For example, with the profits collected, tax farmers could collude with local magistrates or farmers to buy large quantities of grain at low rates and hold it in reserve until times of shortage. These Publicani were also money lenders, or the bankers of the ancient world, and would lend cash to hard-pressed provincials at the exorbitant rates of 4% per month or more.