# Star Wars The Acolyte **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 19, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056 "2024-03-19T22:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/301 "2024-09-06T11:11:29Z")
Both those examples (The Acolyte opening fight and Luke) are examples of a Jedi individually being bad ass but that isn’t what people are referring too. We never saw the Organization as a whole at its height and that is what is the missed opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/302 "2024-09-06T12:12:57Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Both those examples (The Acolyte opening fight and Luke) are examples of a Jedi individually being bad ass Even The Acolyte fight wasn’t that bad-ass. It was one Jedi against one person, and it ended up looking like every other kung-fu fight out there. We weren’t really impressed with how Mae won, because we never saw the Jedi winning any other fights. I want a series that shows Jedi really taking care of business. Picture a Jedi Cop Procedural, where in the first few episodes, a lone Jedi Cop walks into some bad-asses gangster’s lair, and the head gangster (who was previously established as a normal-level bad ass) quivers in fear at the prospect of dealing with a Jedi, and gives them everything they need just to get rid of them. Then we see a gang of young wanna-be crime lords who decide this “Jedi bad-ass” business is just a load of hooey, and decide _they’re_ not going to quiver in fear. And then the Jedi basically walks right through them without even breaking stride. Picture Vader’s Rebel One fight, but without actually killing anyone, and not slowing down just for Dramatic Cruelty the way a Sith would do it. Just business-like taking down threats with a flick of a lightsaber. **Then** show us the Big Bad who actually requires some effort to deal with. Then we’ll be impressed with how tough a villain they are. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/303 "2024-09-06T14:05:08Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Picture Vader’s Rebel One fight, but **without actually killing anyone** , and not slowing down just for Dramatic Cruelty the way a Sith would do it. Just business-like taking down threats with a flick of a lightsaber. (my bolding) Why not? They can at least remove a few limbs. Obi Wan killed Darth Maul after all, and had no problem taking Walrus Guy’s arm in the cantina. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/304 "2024-09-06T14:09:09Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > (my bolding) Why not? They can at least remove a few limbs. Obi Wan killed Darth Maul after all, and had no problem taking Walrus Guy’s arm in the cantina Yeah, but that was the degenerate late-stage Jedi. Not killing anyone while still completely neutralizing them just sends the message - I’m good enough at this shit, that I can worry about the little stuff even in the middle of a huge fight. I’m picturing something like this, but less violent. Watch how, at the end, he’s casual enough to not even spill the drink. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/tJQggH7S7wc/maxresdefault.jpg "Kingsman: The Secret Service amazing starting fight scene") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJQggH7S7wc&t=33) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/305 "2024-09-06T14:17:24Z")
I’m not sure what your point is, since he’s literally shooting multiple guys in the head. But nice touch using a video with an actual Jedi in it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/306 "2024-09-06T14:22:45Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’m not sure what your point is, since he’s literally shooting multiple guys in the head. But nice touch using a video with an actual Jedi in it Well, yes, but my point is we haven’t had a good example of what I’m looking for. The point was the combination of bad-ass fight with attention to small details. Imagine the bullets are all just stun blasts, or something. Plus, we also see the difference between the bad ass taking out some grunts, which establishes his bad-assery, and then the Big Bad taking him out with a casual attack. That establishes the stakes, so when the Big Bad fights the movie’s real hero later on, we know that the real hero is **really** a bad ass. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/307 "2024-09-06T19:18:01Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Both those examples (The Acolyte opening fight and Luke) are examples of a Jedi individually being bad ass but that isn’t what people are referring too. We never saw the Organization as a whole at its height and that is what is the missed opportunity. There was a CGI scene for the Star Wars MMO that had a huge fight between Jedi and Sith. There’s a great over head shot where there’s [two waves of glowing sabers,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgmH9Vv2-I&t=1m42s) one green/blue, one red, charging at each other. That video came out twelve years ago, and we _still_ haven’t seen anything like it in live action. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/308 "2024-09-06T19:53:57Z")
Man, I’d forgotten how good the cinematics for that game were. I wish we’d gotten a movie with the whole story. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/309 "2024-09-06T22:00:34Z")
To this day I wish they fleshed out those three intro Cinematics to the TOR MMO into a movie. I loved them from the first minute I saw them. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/310 "2024-09-06T23:33:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There was a CGI scene for the Star Wars MMO that had a huge fight between Jedi and Sith. There’s a great over head shot where there’s [two waves of glowing sabers,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgmH9Vv2-I&t=1m42s) one green/blue, one red, charging at each other. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Man, I’d forgotten how good the cinematics for that game were. I wish we’d gotten a movie with the whole story. I used to love SWTOR, and I have often thought that era (about 3600 years before the movies, when the Sith Empire was an actual thing) would be an amazing setting for a film or even a TV series. Apparently, Lucasfilm and Disney have never seen it that way. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/311 "2024-09-07T00:00:38Z")
Disney would love to do stuff set in the Old Republic. Problem is, they don’t own the rights to it - they’re held by Bioware. (Which is why the Old Republic MMO survived the Disney EU purge.) The whole point of the High Republic setting was that it would allow Disney to do “Old Republic”-style stories, without having to cut Bioware a piece of the profits. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/312 "2024-09-08T16:12:25Z")
I didn’t read the High Republic books but if the Acolyte is an example of how they are doing it, they aren’t doing it right. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/313 "2024-09-09T16:57:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Disney would love to do stuff set in the Old Republic. Problem is, they don’t own the rights to it - they’re held by Bioware. (Which is why the Old Republic MMO survived the Disney EU purge.) The whole point of the High Republic setting was that it would allow Disney to do “Old Republic”-style stories, without having to cut Bioware a piece of the profits. Not to be that guy…but do you have cite for that? That’s not usually how those kind of IPs are structured. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/314 "2024-09-09T17:12:29Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Not to be that guy…but do you have cite for that? > That’s not usually how those kind of IPs are structured. It’s not even that unusual for Disney, who have similar deals with the IP rights to Hulk and Spider-Man. That said, I can’t actually find a cite for my claim, so feel free to disregard. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/315 "2024-09-10T17:34:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It’s not even that unusual for Disney, who have similar deals with the IP rights to Hulk and Spider-Man. I was going to note that both of those examples predate Disney’s ownership of Marvel, but then I realized that the _Knights of the Old Republic_ single-player games, and the _Star Wars: The Old Republic_ MMORPG, all predate Disney buying Lucasfilm, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/316 "2024-09-10T17:56:48Z")
Yeah, development on KOTOR started the year _Phantom Menace_ was released. The Star Wars media-scape was very different at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/317 "2024-09-10T18:05:52Z")
Okay, so now that The Acolyte is cancelled, can I start pitching the Star Wars Series my brain always read it as? Star Wars: The Ocelot. A sentient Space Ocelot roams the Old Republic getting into crepuscular adventures. Naming him “Babou” is optional, but encouraged. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qPaXG0oEInY/maxresdefault.jpg "Babou, Serpentine!!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPaXG0oEInY&t=23) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/318 "2024-09-10T22:05:46Z")
Is pissing on an opponent dark side?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056.md?page=15)