# Star Wars The Acolyte **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 19, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056 "2024-03-19T22:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/161 "2024-06-26T21:01:43Z")
As others on the Internet are saying, there’s probably an interesting two hour movie in here somewhere. Probably saving a lot of time by cutting Osha and Mae entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/162 "2024-06-26T22:00:20Z")
I don’t love the show, but I don’t _hate_ it. It’s somehow both predictable and totally fucking wild. I think overall Filoni does great work for the franchise, but everything but _The Mandolorian_ feels like live action versions of the animated shows, and not in a good way. Sometimes the newer stuff is like… who is this for? You watch a _Clone Wars_ and it’s all “oh this is a kid show” and then there are a bunch of brutal murders. For kids. But it’s paced and heavy-handed in a way that’s not appealing to grown ups. This show is kind of like that. We’re almost at a dozen Jedi murdered and somehow Manny was supposed to be this big surprise? Even if you didn’t know him from other roles so you know he’s one of the Named Stars, he was the only other fucking person on the planet. I can’t tell if we were supposed to be surprised and it’s that kind of weirdness that keeps me from loving it. It’s just messy. However, it’s watchable and not actively pissing me off, so yay for it. It’s disappointing because this, and most of the other shows, could be so much better with a few more passes on the scriptwriting process. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/163 "2024-06-26T22:11:31Z")
Im glad more people liked it… I thought it was a bit too silly. The main chracter got knocked out TWICE so they could do a minor time jump in the story. Who is she Katniss from Hunger Games? I did like the bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/164 "2024-06-26T22:24:16Z")
I need somebody to loop in some Monty Python Knight Fight lines during the end with Yord He is the guy who got hit in the leg right? Edit: also…you know the sort of criticism I hate the most? “Sneer criticism” You can make anything sound stupid if you sneer enough. It’s what the usual YT suspects resort to when they run out of real things to criticize. “Don Corleone goes out with only one bodyguard?? His soft headed son??? This is sooooo stupid” ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/165 "2024-06-26T22:42:17Z")
Also also….sorry The “canon” is that cone head SAID the Sith had t been seen for 1000 years This is already contradicted by the Anakin Palpatine opera scene where Palpatine outright says the Jedi knew about Darth Plaegis ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/166 "2024-06-26T23:13:49Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > This is already contradicted by the Anakin Palpatine opera scene where Palpatine outright says the Jedi knew about Darth Plaegis …mmmm…not what he says. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1vpsaz22CU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1vpsaz22CU) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/167 "2024-06-26T23:50:10Z")
“It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you” That could be interpreted as “they know but hide it” As well as “They don’t know it”, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/168 "2024-06-27T02:42:03Z")
Considering the throughline of the scene is Palpatine lying and manipulating Anakin… I think its more likely that he’s lying…but also by that point the Jedi know the Sith have returned. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/169 "2024-06-27T03:53:29Z")
I wonder if we’ll get an ending whereas we have a dying Sol and Conehead covering it all up with basically everyone in the series dead. The actors and showrunners have basically already said the theme. “There is no good and evil” (Horseshit. The Jedi may be far from the saints they seem to act as\*, but the Sith are very very evil.) I just don’t think an ending where we find the Jedi killed the witchs in a misunderstanding and a Sith cover-up…carries the message “There is no good and evil” \*HILARIOUSLY…now if your theme is The Democrats are Jedi and The Republicans are Sith, now that works a lot better. I don’t agree with it at all, but Im suprised the showrunners didn’t go there. Enh…maybe after they will say thats it. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/170 "2024-06-28T19:56:14Z")
Okay, I don’t always catch bad dialog but the bad guys line of “do what I want when I want” is something that stuck out to me. It made me wonder if this is an example of a one dimensional character. They exist to be contrasted to the good side, so they are bad because they are bad. There is no thinking deeply about them. Instead of giving them a backstory, so they can say exactly what it is they want to do, we get this vague statement. Or they thought that “I like eating babies” was over the top for even them? I’m just thinking too much about the show. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/171 "2024-06-28T20:12:22Z")
Apparently Smilo Ren quoted Jordan Peterson in his last line of the episode. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAcolyte/comments/1dooook/even\_in\_the\_revelation\_of\_our\_triumph\_we\_see\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAcolyte/comments/1dooook/even_in_the_revelation_of_our_triumph_we_see_the/) ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/172 "2024-06-28T22:13:16Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > Okay, I don’t always catch bad dialog but the bad guys line of “do what I want when I want” is something that stuck out to me. It made me wonder if this is an example of a one dimensional character. They exist to be contrasted to the good side, so they are bad because they are bad. There is no thinking deeply about them. Instead of giving them a backstory, so they can say exactly what it is they want to do, we get this vague statement. > > Or they thought that “I like eating babies” was over the top for even them? > > I’m just thinking too much about the show. Maybe in a void without context? But we have some larger context. He’s not at all saying “I just want to be eeeeevil!” He’s saying he wants to live free. He wants to practice his ‘religion’ without interference from the establishment(the Jedi)…its a full on theme of the _entire_ series. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/173 "2024-06-28T22:27:40Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > But we have some larger context. This seems to be a common problem with a lot of people across a lot of media. They do not take a wider context under consideration, they clip out a moment and rant about that. We’re all guilty of it sometimes, but for television all you have to do is pay attention to what was in previous episodes, or wait till the whole season is completed in case answers are revealed later. Short term thinking; it’s a scourge. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/174 "2024-06-30T00:13:49Z")
I was yesterday years old when I found out Smilo Ren is the guy from The Good Place. Now I’m waiting for Smilo to lock himself inside a safe or something ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/175 "2024-06-30T00:19:20Z")
People have been tossing about the name Darth Bortles for weeks now. > **[Star Wars: The Acolyte: Who Is Darth Bortles & Is He the Main Villain?](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-wars-acolyte-darth-bortles-113619812.html)** > > Since the premiere of Star Wars: The Acolyte, fans have wanted to know who Darth Bortles is and if he is the main villain in the series. The story revolves around the investigation into the murders of several members of the Jedi Order. As the series... ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/176 "2024-06-30T05:04:46Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > A look at Smilo Ren’s helmet: > > [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAcolyte/comments/1dp1h9p/the\_stranger\_black\_series\_helmet\_showing\_detail/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAcolyte/comments/1dp1h9p/the_stranger_black_series_helmet_showing_detail/#lightbox) I was so surprised that, when they finally showed us the Mystery Pseudo-Psith, he was actually intimidating and mysterious-looking. Which was almost all due to that helmet…and the smile on it. I was immediately reminded of another reveal. And it’s at the very end of the _Animorphs_ books… _[Spoilered, even though it’s been almost thirty years]_ AX has been missing, but it’s revealed he’s been assimilated by The One, and become a blood-lusting character, vowing to assimilate each of them as well. > _“The face that filled the screen and more was a shifting image, a slow dissolve from what might be a robot’s face, a machine with a rat-trap mouth and steel eyes, into a sweet, feminine, almost elfin visage, and last, and most enduring, into the face of Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill. The face that belonged to our friend Ax split wide open across the bottom and revealed a new-formed mouth full of red-rimmed teeth.”_ > ―[Marco](https://animorphs.fandom.com/wiki/Marco)[[src]](https://animorphs.fandom.com/wiki/The_Beginning) Because this was on the last page of the last book, when you were expecting everything to get wrapped up, and given the character’s peace-loving nature throughout 54 books (plus side series) it was certainly a “Holy crap, that was a shocker, and creepy scary to boot.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/177 "2024-07-03T02:30:07Z")
A much calmer quieter episode but also good. A pretty foreshadowing end scene or a misdirection to lead our thoughts astray? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/178 "2024-07-03T03:51:24Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > One spoiler: The actress playing Jecki is listed as being in three more episodes. Welp, that was one more episode she was in. Next episode, she’ll be identified at the Jedi morgue. The episode after that, the funeral. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/179 "2024-07-03T04:49:14Z")
So, speculation from Reddit that is almost certainly true: [Green Jedi Lady](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vernestra_Rwoh) is an imported character from the EU who uses a light whip. She is extremely briefly seen using a light whip in the trailer. The scars on Smilo Ren’s back look like whip scars. Simlo was once the Padawan of Green Jedi Lady. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056/180 "2024-07-03T11:31:24Z")
I hadn’t known about that EU bit but that relationship is something that already seems highly likely even without that! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-acolyte/999056.md?page=10)