# Star Wars: The Bad Batch on Disney + \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu, tv-shows-scripted, cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 4, 2021, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363 "2021-05-04T10:58:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/41 "2021-05-25T11:44:33Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > _The Mandalorian_ is set something like 30 years after _Bad Batch_ . Which, in the Star Wars universe, is really recent. Hyperdrive dates back _thousands_ of years. Although, to be fair, that 30 years apparently was a _really long_ 30 years, enough time for the Jedi to go from being at the center of Galactic government and politics to being a half-remembered folktale. But beyond that, “chain codes” seem to just be an accepted part of the universe in _The Mandalorian_, even in regions where the Empire never actually ruled. Boba Fett shows the Mandalorian his chain code, which includes his father’s chain code, which establishes his ownership of _Mandalorian_ armor. And hyper-traditionalist Din Djarin, who not only has no love for the Empire, but seems to not even be aware of a lot of Imperial codes and regulations, just accepts as a given that a chain code is an indisputable claim to legitimate ownership of a Mandalorian cultural artifact. That _really_ doesn’t seem like it’s an Imperial ID scheme, that was only even created within Din’s lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/42 "2021-05-25T15:46:10Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Boba Fett shows the Mandalorian his chain code, which includes his father’s chain code, which establishes his ownership of _Mandalorian_ armor. And hyper-traditionalist Din Djarin, who not only has no love for the Empire, but seems to not even be aware of a lot of Imperial codes and regulations, just accepts as a given that a chain code is an indisputable claim to legitimate ownership of a Mandalorian cultural artifact. That _really_ doesn’t seem like it’s an Imperial ID scheme, that was only even created within Din’s lifetime. Chain codes are also how bounty hunters confirm their targets, so Din would be familiar with them, and have an idea about how reliable they are as sources of truth. He doesn’t necessarily have to buy into anything about the Empire to accept Boba’s code as proof of ownership of the armor - regardless of how he feels about it, the fact that Boba’s basically got his SSN engraved on the armor is pretty good evidence that the armor was originally his. There is a slight discontinuity if he actually said Jango’s chain code was in the armor, because we know that chain codes didn’t get introduced until after the Clone Wars ended, and Jango died in the middle of them - although it’s possible chain codes had been around for a while, in an optional or limited format, and the big change is that the Empire started mandating them after the war. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/43 "2021-05-25T16:24:00Z")
I’m happy with how Bad Batch is developing. They need time to establish characters. It’s how all the animated Star Wars shows go. Then the audience appreciates the stuff that happens later. My take is that the Empire is switching everyone over to _Imperial_ chain codes. As in, it’s part of their taking over the galaxy by eliminating other sources of legitimacy, including other chain codes. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/44 "2021-05-25T16:52:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Chain codes are also how bounty hunters confirm their targets, so Din would be familiar with them, and have an idea about how reliable they are as sources of truth. He doesn’t necessarily have to buy into anything about the Empire to accept Boba’s code as proof of ownership of the armor - regardless of how he feels about it, the fact that Boba’s basically got his SSN engraved on the armor is pretty good evidence that the armor was originally his. > > There is a slight discontinuity if he actually said Jango’s chain code was in the armor, because we know that chain codes didn’t get introduced until after the Clone Wars ended, and Jango died in the middle of them… IIRC, Boba pulls up a holo display from the armor, points to it and says something like, “This is my chain code. And here is my father’s code - he was a Foundling, and he got the armor in accordance with the Way” which would seem to indicate the chain code includes forbears, or at least former owners, _and_ includes information such as the fact that Jango was a Mandalorian Foundling _and_ that such information is so difficult to fake that Din just takes it as a given that if a chain code says Jango was a Mandalorian Foundling it must be true. The issue in _The Mandalorian_ very much wasn’t whether Boba had physical possession of the armor previously, it was whether he had a “legitimate” claim to it, under Din’s hyper-traditionalist interpretation of “The Way.” That being said, > [@Miller](#): > > it’s possible chain codes had been around for a while, in an optional or limited format, and the big change is that the Empire started mandating them after the war. > [@Pleonast](#): > > My take is that the Empire is switching everyone over to _Imperial_ chain codes. As in, it’s part of their taking over the galaxy by eliminating other sources of legitimacy, including other chain codes. Those takes certainly seem plausible. But I think that still creates a continuity issue. Din’s immediate and unquestioning acceptance of Boba’s chain code seems inconsistent with the way Echo was able to create fake identities for the former Clone Trooper and his family in the previous episode and help them get chain codes based on those false identities. I’m almost certainly putting _waaay_ too much thought into a minor plot point. It’s just that _The Bad Batch_ seems to be prominently featuring the roll-out of Imperial chain codes as a major development, for some reason, and that’s pretty much literally the _only_ thing we’ve actually seen the new Empire do. It’s only been a couple of episodes, of course, so we may soon see the sinister motive behind the chain code initiative and other villainy on the part of the Empire. But right now, there just really doesn’t seem to be much actually happening in the series. And I get that it’s a kids’ series, not _Game of Thrones_, but it’s just disappointing to me, because I enjoyed _Clone Wars_ and _Rebels_ so much more. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/45 "2021-05-25T17:02:55Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I enjoyed _Clone Wars_ and _Rebels_ so much more But do you enjoy Bad Batch as much as you did those series when only four episodes in? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/46 "2021-05-25T17:06:45Z")
That’s actually a good question. If you discount the “movie” with Baby the Hutt, I _think_ I was enjoying _Clone Wars_ more four episodes in. I definitely was enjoying _Rebels_ more, which I think did a _much_ better job of establishing distinctive and interesting characters that I actually cared about. I’m not ready to jump ship on _The Bad Batch_ quite yet, especially with the goodwill Dave Filoni has established with me with his previous work in the SW universe. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/47 "2021-05-25T17:13:28Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I’m almost certainly putting _waaay_ too much thought into a minor plot point No worries: that’s what Star Wars is for. As far as Boba’s armor goes, I think the key thing here is that Boba knows what constitutes a proper claim to the armor. Sure, he _could_ have forged that code chain, but if he came by the armor dishonestly, he wouldn’t know how to - he wouldn’t know what a Foundling was, or what that meant in terms of inheritance to a Mandalorian. It’s not ironclad - there’s always an outside chance that he’s a dishonorable Mandalorian who stole the armor from its rightful owner, or something like that, but Din has no reason to think Boba’s dishonorable, he just wants evidence that he’s not some guy who randomly found it, like Cobb Vanth did. > [@gdave](#): > > It’s just that _The Bad Batch_ seems to be prominently featuring the roll-out of Imperial chain codes as a major development, for some reason, and that’s pretty much literally the _only_ thing we’ve actually seen the new Empire do. We’re also seeing the founding of the Stormtrooper corps, and their role in the violent suppression of political dissent. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/48 "2021-05-25T17:29:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > We’re also seeing the founding of the Stormtrooper corps, and their role in the violent suppression of political dissent. That’s a good point - I forgot about the mission to murder the refugees. So, we, and the Bad Batch, have actually seen the new Empire being evil. On the other hand, we’ve seen Admiral Tarkin, specifically, being evil, and I don’t think the Bad Batch are even aware of the follow up mission with the proto-Stormtroopers. So, not the nullity I was portraying it as. And I get the idea of doing a bit of a slow burn with the Rise of the Empire. If I found the main characters, side-quests, and the guest stars more engaging, I’d probably even appreciate that approach. As it is, though, I’m just kind of waiting for the main plot to kick in. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/49 "2021-05-26T21:22:27Z")
I’m enjoying it so far, about as much as I enjoyed the middle seasons of Clone Wars, which was “good enough”, but not nearly as much as I enjoyed Rebels. Though, I’m starting to wonder how many SW shows we need that are a Tough Guy (and friends) on the run, flying around the galaxy with a kid in tow. And sorry Omega, you’re no Grogu… ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/50 "2021-05-27T13:53:14Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Though, I’m starting to wonder how many SW shows we need that are a Tough Guy (and friends) on the run, flying around the galaxy with a kid in tow. And sorry Omega, you’re no Grogu… Very much so. I didn’t like Grogru, Omega is annoying if they put a kid sidekick in the book of Boba Fett I may have to write off the star wars universe for a while. Let’s at least stick to aiming a teenagers and knock of the episode 1 cute kid crap. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/51 "2021-05-27T18:56:58Z")
The money is in getting kids watching and wanting product. Maybe especially for the cartoons. You are a given. Throw some eggs and you will watch more often than not. The kids are not all hooked yet. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/52 "2021-05-27T19:43:50Z")
That’s probably why they do it hooked while they’re young. That same hook could be set when they were 16 though and have a lower probably of star was getting classified as baby stuff as they get older. Basically, having Ezra from rebels makes more sense then precocious Omega. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/53 "2021-06-08T15:56:06Z")
Good lord… I thought I was done with Trace and Raffa. Almost fell asleep when they popped up. I really hope they don’t become recurring characters. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/54 "2021-06-18T19:47:55Z")
Holy shit. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/55 "2021-06-19T01:50:09Z")
Pretty good ep even if cowboy gunslinger bounty hunter was a bit out of place silly. It worked in Samurai Jack but here? No. I am not shocked by the direction it went but personally thought they’d capture Cross hair but be unable to do the procedure so be stuck with keeping as a prisoner until they found a new med facility. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/56 "2021-06-19T01:54:37Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Pretty good ep even if cowboy gunslinger bounty hunter was a bit out of place silly. It worked in Samurai Jack but here? No. That’s [Cad Bane](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cad_Bane) a fairly large antagonist from Clone Wars. Basically, every episode is just there to have a cameo of a mid tier character from Clone Wars. I’m kind of getting tired of that it’s really interfere with the story for me. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/57 "2021-06-19T01:59:35Z")
I should have figured. Makes me more secure in my decision to not watch Clone Wars. Moderately good guy bounty hunter? Would expect many would have been sure to leave Hunter dead. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/58 "2021-06-19T02:23:52Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Moderately good guy bounty hunter? Would expect many would have been sure to leave Hunter dead. He does what he’s paid to do if he’s not paid to do something he won’t do it. Him and Obi Wan kind of became friends. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/59 "2021-06-19T06:19:34Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Moderately good guy bounty hunter? His name “Cad Bane.” Star Wars’ penchant for nominative determinism should give you an idea how good a guy he is. ---
**Author:** ![willjackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willjackson/32/8187_2.png) [@willjackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willjackson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/60 "2021-06-19T11:25:49Z")
The character of Omega is probably put there to teach the clones how to be more human since she’s a child but she fails at that and endangers the heroes and the plot. She’s also an obvious agenda agent in the show. I think she kills the show. We don’t want plucky young sidekicks! That trope has been done before. There is a reason Batman has never done a movie with the 13 year old version of Robin. Overall I’m not too excited for the next episode. There is no obvious main plot as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363.md?page=4)