# Star Wars: The Bad Batch on Disney + \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu, tv-shows-scripted, cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 4, 2021, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363 "2021-05-04T10:58:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/121 "2024-05-01T15:59:54Z")
Not a bad finale. Unless I missed something (and I was a bit distracted while watching at points), I don’t think they ever revealed what the deal was with those super duper commandos. The most common theory is they were clones of Tech or something. They went out of their way even in this episode to never show their faces. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/122 "2024-05-02T02:27:12Z")
Hemlock says it (paraphrasing), “If you survive the conditioning, you’ll make excellent operatives.” They are regular clones who have been conditioned to be super-soldier slaves to him. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/123 "2024-05-02T10:42:57Z")
Ah, I did hear that and did not make that connection. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/124 "2024-05-04T11:12:44Z")
Umm, doesn’t the Empire know about Pabu? Wouldn’t that be the first place they would look for the Bad Batch (et al)? Brian May the 4th be with you! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/125 "2024-05-04T11:17:07Z")
Maybe after Hemlock’s death, no one left actually cares? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/126 "2024-05-04T19:05:15Z")
Yeah all the data was lost. Anyone who knew there was anything special about Omega was either killed or on her side. I guess though someone does take up the mantle because we know that Palpatine does indeed get his clones. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/127 "2024-05-04T21:39:09Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Not a bad finale. > > Unless I missed something (and I was a bit distracted while watching at points), I don’t think they ever revealed what the deal was with those super duper commandos. The most common theory is they were clones of Tech or something. They went out of their way even in this episode to never show their faces. It sucked. I mean, it was a great season finale, but a lousy series finale. A whole season setting up a bunch of mysteries, and then… nothing. No explanations on what Project Necromancer is. No explanations on why they were collecting force-sensitive children and what they were doing with them. No explanations on the super-commando clones. What the hell? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/128 "2024-05-04T21:47:43Z")
Seemed obvious that Project Necromancer is whatever ended up producing Snoke and Palapatine II (so they must have recreated the project later). As for the rest, I don’t disagree. But my expectations were middling – I think Bad Batch was a fun series, but it never seemed any better than “this is fun kiddified Star Wars stuff” to me. The finale met that low bar, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/129 "2024-05-04T22:01:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Seemed obvious that Project Necromancer is whatever ended up producing Snoke and Palapatine II Maybe, maybe not. Anyone can make guesses, but a fanwank is not the same as thing as giving viewers a satisfying resolution. If it’s so obvious, why didn’t they just confirm it? It all reeks of J.J. Abrams-style “mystery boxes”. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/130 "2024-05-04T22:30:03Z")
I hated every second of this stupid show but I stuck with it thinking it would come together in the end. That there was a greater purpose, a hidden connection, an invisible piece of the puzzle. So in some ways the ending was perfect because it fit the rest of the show, but overall it was just hot garbage of nothing. Just a shaggy dog story or close enough to it for my taste. Oh, wait. i didn’t hate every second. I liked when Kanan/Caleb got away ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/131 "2024-05-04T22:46:25Z")
All these interstitial Star Wars series, set during the dark times of the rise of the Empire, can only do so much with satisfying endings, because it’s still a bleak time period where many more atrocious things will continue to happen. So any tantalising things left hanging are sure to be addressed one day, but saved up for other shows. This was just one story in amongst many, and it set some things up but not to pay them off; that’s for future stories. I know that’s unsatisfying, but it’s just how producer Dave Filoni thinks. I hope we see more from Omega, though. That’s a character with potential. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/132 "2024-05-04T22:55:47Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > This was just one story in amongst many, and it set some things up but not to pay them off; that’s for future stories. I know that’s unsatisfying, but it’s just how producer Dave Filoni thinks. At some point, I’m going to get tired of him jerking me around. You want to make me happy? Write a good story, with a beginning, a middle and an end, and when you’re done, write another one. It’s as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/133 "2024-05-05T01:11:05Z")
The show was uneven but this season was over all better. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/134 "2024-05-05T21:05:04Z")
I forgot to add in my last post… I am starting to wonder if I just don’t like SW at all any more. I _hated_ _Andor_, I didn’t like _Obi Wan_ very much, _Ahsoka_ was a let down. I didn’t like _Book of Boba Fett_, although I still did like S3 of Mando… mostly. I didn’t like the _Empire_ shorts yesterday, but I did like the last batch of _Jedi_ ones. I even tried to watch _TLJ_ yesterday, which I’ve always really liked, and I just got mad at it and had to turn it off. I, like everyone else seemingly, hated _ROS_. So if very little is bringing me joy and happiness… maybe I just like the first trilogy and Grogu? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/135 "2024-05-05T21:07:15Z")
Hated Andor? Insanity! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/136 "2024-05-06T10:28:57Z")
I’d place Bad Batch as better than most of the recent live action stuff and could have come together a bit better at the end. More mature and even darker than much, most, of the live action, not as much as Andor. Not as good as Clone Wars or Rebels. Or S1 of Mando. Unfortunately we know Project Necromancer gets restarted and succeeds without Hemlock. And since Omega contains some secret sauce for it she may be destined for a bad end in some future show. Clones age quickly but Omega less so? What is going on elsewhere in the SW universe as she goes off to join the fight? > [@GuanoLad](#): > > and it set some things up but not to pay them off; that’s for future stories. I know that’s unsatisfying, but it’s just how producer Dave Filoni thinks. > [@Alessan](#): > > Write a good story, with a beginning, a middle and an end, and when you’re done, write another one. It’s as simple as that. I’m somewhere between? It can be both. Both so many threads left loose in so many stories many of which not all viewers have watched, or _remember_ even if they did? It makes the attempts to use them later unsatisfying too. As illustration: I just quickly watched the first Empire short and I know of Morgan Elsbeth, mainly from Ahsoka. Clearly she’s also on other episodes of shows I’ve missed or forgotten. I imagine there are some viewers who are thrilled to see her origin story but it is not interesting as a stand alone to those who are anxious for those bits of lore. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/137 "2024-05-06T11:37:39Z")
There’s a difference between leaving a loose thread or two, and setting up a season-long mystery and not solving it. > [@DSeid](#): > > Unfortunately we know Project Necromancer gets restarted and succeeds without Hemlock Do we? We don’t know what it is. We can _guess_ what the writers will eventually tell us it is, but nothing more. That’s the thing about fiction: there are no solutions to mysteries until the writers write them. We can guess all we want, but we can’t actually solve anything because the solution doesn’t exist. So yes, Necromancer can be the “somehow” in “Somehow, Palpatine survived.” But the next series can suddenly decide it’s something else entirely. We have no way of knowing until they tell us. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/138 "2024-05-06T12:22:22Z")
Also, on a much more nerdy note, how could Tarkin be referring to Project Stardust, when Galen Erso, who gave it that name, only became involved in it 5 years later? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/139 "2024-05-06T14:10:03Z")
My understanding was that Erso was involved very early, then left the project (and presumably tried to hide out), and at the beginning of Rogue One was forcibly brought back (Krennic said “we were this close…” or something like that). So in his early involvement, he named the project. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/140 "2024-05-06T14:34:02Z")
My understanding is they need Omega’s blood because without it there was no way to make a Force-sensitive Palpatine clone. [Project Necromancer](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Necromancer#:~:text=Project%20Necromancer%20was%20a%20biological,chlorians%20amid%20the%20cloning%20process.) > "_As you know, M-count cannot be directly replicated from the source. However, Nala Se found another way which is why she aided in Omega’s escape. The young clone’s blood is the only binder that’s proven to be compatible with their DNA to recreate their M-count levels._ " [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363.md?page=8)