# Star Wars: The Bad Batch on Disney + \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu, tv-shows-scripted, cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [May 4, 2021, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363 "2021-05-04T10:58:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/141 "2024-05-06T14:38:17Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There’s a difference between leaving a loose thread or two, and setting up a season-long mystery and not solving it. > > > [@DSeid](#): > > > > Unfortunately we know Project Necromancer gets restarted and succeeds without Hemlock > > Do we? We don’t know what it is. We can _guess_ what the writers will eventually tell us it is, but nothing more. That’s the thing about fiction: there are no solutions to mysteries until the writers write them. We can guess all we want, but we can’t actually solve anything because the solution doesn’t exist. > > So yes, Necromancer can be the “somehow” in “Somehow, Palpatine survived.” But the next series can suddenly decide it’s something else entirely. We have no way of knowing until they tell us. I suppose this is possible, but every Star Wars fan I know thinks it’s extremely obvious that Necromancer (and/or it’s successor) is the Snoke/Palp-II project. IIRC, it was mentioned in Mandalorian or Ahsoka by the Imperial remnants, so that solidifies it even further, ISTM. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/142 "2024-05-06T14:42:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I suppose this is possible, but every Star Wars fan I know thinks it’s extremely obvious that Necromancer (and/or it’s successor) is the Snoke/Palp-II project. IIRC, it was mentioned in Ahsoka by the Imperial remnants, so that solidifies it even further, ISTM. Then why not just say it? Have Rampart say something like, “So I see Palpatine is trying to make himself immortal” or “So I see the Emperor is trying to clone himself a Jedi army” right before he explodes. That would have been enough for me. I’m sorry, but I find this whole thing almost irrationally frustrating. It’s like asking someone for a straight answer and having him give me winks and riddles. Just fuck off already, OK, Filoni? I shouldn’t be forced to watch bad Star Wars shows in order to understand good Star Wars shows. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/143 "2024-05-06T15:30:57Z")
I’ve liked the series and the conclusion worked for me. This is the story of how some clones escaped the Empire. It feels complete to me. > [@Alessan](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > I suppose this is possible, but every Star Wars fan I know thinks it’s extremely obvious that Necromancer (and/or it’s successor) is the Snoke/Palp-II project. IIRC, it was mentioned in Ahsoka by the Imperial remnants, so that solidifies it even further, ISTM. > > Then why not just say it? Have Rampart say something like, “So I see Palpatine is trying to make himself immortal” or “So I see the Emperor is trying to clone himself a Jedi army” right before he explodes. That would have been enough for me. I expect that for many people, they _did_ just say it. I feel like the story gave plenty of information about Project Necromancer. Obviously, it wasn’t explicit enough for you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/144 "2024-05-06T15:40:51Z")
Exactly. It was Palpatine’s highest priority. It was about clones. It was about midichlorians (and thus Force sensitivity). We know Snoke was a clone, and Palpatine II was a clone… so it doesn’t seem like much of a mystery to me. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/145 "2024-05-06T15:55:35Z")
Then why not just say it? I suppose I just love the catharsis of a good revelation, and feel cheated when I don’t get it. It seems like that’s just me, though. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/146 "2024-05-06T21:14:51Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Then why not just say it? Show, don’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/147 "2024-05-06T21:17:25Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Show, don’t tell. What did they show? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/148 "2024-05-06T22:00:50Z")
Clones, midichlorians, and the emperor’s personal interest. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/149 "2024-05-06T22:48:02Z")
Those are clues, not answers. Look, I understand that you all found the series finale satisfying. I found it immensely frustrating, like the creators were messing with me for no good reason. It’s just one more reason why I’ve lost almost all faith in Star Wars. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/150 "2024-05-06T23:09:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s just one more reason why I’ve lost almost all faith in Star Wars. I can understand that. I’ve totally given up on Star Trek, because I get no enjoyment from it anymore. I think the series gives enough explanation of Project Necromancer, considering that the focus and point of view of this series is the clones. They never get a precise explanation and so neither do we. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/151 "2024-05-06T23:24:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I think the series gives enough explanation of Project Necromancer, considering that the focus and point of view of this series is the clones. They never get a precise explanation and so neither do we. I liked the ending in terms of the clones, although the season suffered from the absence of Tech, my favorite of them. The action and character work in the finale were as excellent as always. It just seemed like they were setting up a season-long mystery - why Omega’s blood was a big deal, why they were kidnapping the kids, what they were doing with them, why the Emperor was interested in the project - without giving it a proper resolution. I mean, yes, it was obviously all about that garbage cloning plotline from that garbage movie, _the Rise of Skywalker_. I’m not stupid. Everyone’s figured that out already. But that’s the thing: because we’ve all figured it out, they should respect our intelligence by confirming our suspicions. Treating it as a big mystery that will be solved in some other series - which statistically, will probably also be garbage - is an insult to our intelligence. Just tell us, and move on. I’m sorry I’m going on and on about this. It’s more of a straw breaking the camel’s back situation with me, I suppose. _Bad Batch_ was one of the only two good SW series left, and it ended with the same kind of crap that sunk the bad ones. If it weren’t for _Andor_ I’d be checking out of Star Wars completely. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/152 "2024-05-07T11:17:51Z")
Mileage varies. I didn’t particularly feel there was any mystery left. She was needed as a special sauce for some Big Mac. We 99% sure know what Big Mac but it doesn’t matter. Don’t care. Other than the bit that she still is the special sauce and we strongly suspect the Big Mac is soon made … I’m a bit more disappointed with the resolution in regards to the clones. Only Hunter there when she says good bye? Sure he’s her father figure but what happened to the others? No hints given? Dead now? Fighting the fight elsewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363/153 "2024-05-07T11:40:35Z")
I am with Alessan even though I got the reference. This wasn’t just an easter egg; it was the core of the entire season. Good writing assumes your work is the first time someone watches or reads. They should have been more clear for people who are not as invested. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-bad-batch-on-disney-open-spoilers/941363.md?page=7)