# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/901 "2015-12-28T07:08:42Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > A much better bet, it seems to me, is that we will see Kylo making entreaties to his cousin Rey that they should join forces to defeat Snope and rule the galaxy. I believe they are siblings rather than cousins. Though it remains to be seen. What I want to know is who the hell is this Snokes dude? Where did he come from and why does 1st Order follow him unquestioningly? Is he Sith (and is Kyle Ren?)? I thought there were always supposed to be 2 Sith in the universe, but since both died in 6 can that gap be filled? Would have been nice to get at least a little backstory there. I also got a real Wizard of Oz vibe from the giant hologram. I bet when we finally see him in person he’ll end up being 18 inches high. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/902 "2015-12-28T07:25:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > :smack: You are of course correct. Sorry! > > This is hilarious: > > [The Confused Notes of a Star Wars Newbie Who Felt Compelled to See The Force Awakens](http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/force-awakens-star-wars-newbie.html) What will be gratifying to JJ Abrams and Kathy Kennedy is a) how much she figured out correctly from limited context, including the unanswered questions, and b) that she enjoyed it. Those are both very important for any sequel. ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/903 "2015-12-28T08:05:15Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > What I want to know is who the hell is this Snokes dude? Where did he come from and why does 1st Order follow him unquestioningly? Is he Sith (and is Kyle Ren?)? I thought there were always supposed to be 2 Sith in the universe, but since both died in 6 can that gap be filled? Would have been nice to get at least a little backstory there. There’s a fan theory that he’s Darth Plagueis mentioned in the prequels. Could be pretty cool if true. Palpatine, and the lore around him, was one of the better things from the prequels. A post on Imgur about it with extra information on Snoke from the TFA novelisation: [[Album] Everything we know about Supreme Leader Snoke ![](https://i.imgur.com/6gN84Sk.jpeg?fb "Everything we know about Supreme Leader Snoke") ](https://imgur.com/a/N43oU) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/904 "2015-12-28T08:16:36Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > There’s a fan theory that he’s Darth Plagueis mentioned in the prequels. Could be pretty cool if true. Palpatine, and the lore around him, was one of the better things from the prequels. > > A post on Imgur about it with extra information on Snoke from the TFA novelisation: > [Everything we know about Supreme Leader Snoke - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/a/N43oU) Plagueis, depending on how it’s pronounced, sounds like a Sith lord. Snokes sounds like a stoner you knew in college who was always hanging around in front of the student union playing hackey sack. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/905 "2015-12-28T08:25:52Z")
In EpIV, the Death Star vulnerability was discovered after they poured over its plans. How did they discover Starkiller’s vulnerability? Lucky guess? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/906 "2015-12-28T08:36:33Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I thought there were always supposed to be 2 Sith in the universe, but since both died in 6 can that gap be filled? The Rule of Two was put in place by the Sith themselves, to try to stop two weaker Sith ganging up to murder their master and thereby diminishing the power of the Sith as a whole. That point of doctrine could have died with Palpatine and Vader. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/907 "2015-12-28T08:56:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > In EpIV, the Death Star vulnerability was discovered after they poured over its plans. How did they discover Starkiller’s vulnerability? Lucky guess? They claim to have a mole inside. Since apparently they allowed any random Finn to have vital internal knowledge of the base at his disposal, a spy would have a field day in there, so that’s consistent. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/908 "2015-12-28T09:45:29Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > They claim to have a mole inside. Since apparently they allowed any random Finn to have vital internal knowledge of the base at his disposal, a spy would have a field day in there, so that’s consistent. I thought Finn was the mole. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/909 "2015-12-28T09:59:53Z")
Me too. ---
**Author:** ![MrLee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f8ce5/32.png) [@MrLee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrLee)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/910 "2015-12-28T11:26:55Z")
Just saw the film yesterday - so a bit late to the party here… I agree with the consensus that this was a _good film_, albeit one which borrowed perhaps a little too heavily from plot elements of the original trilogy. One thing which stood out for me was the strength of Rey as a character; she is well-cast, well-acted and well-written. It is nice to see a strong female protagonist who is not unnecessarily sexualised - and she had a nice balance of self-reliance and vulnerability. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/911 "2015-12-28T11:38:27Z")
Kylo Ren is not a Sith. He’s a Knight of Ren. It’s his own order and he can have as many apprentices as he darn well pleases. ---
**Author:** ![polar\_bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@polar\_bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/polar_bear)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/912 "2015-12-28T12:05:52Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > The Rule of Two was put in place by the Sith themselves, to try to stop two weaker Sith ganging up to murder their master and thereby diminishing the power of the Sith as a whole. That point of doctrine could have died with Palpatine and Vader. I’m sure it isn’t considered canon\*, but the Darth Bane books (which take place thousands of years before the battle of Yavin) discuss how this rule came to be. Before that there were many Sith and even training facilities like we saw for the Jedi in the prequels. Since both Sith lord and apprentice died at the end of Jedi, the current dark side would be some new group that might have their own rules. \*I do believe they included Darth Bane in the one of the cartoon episodes, which would make him part of canon. PS saw the movie twice now: liked it a great deal. One thing I noticed the second time around, apparently they keep prisoners in the “thermal oscilator” facility instead of … well the rest of the planet. Mighty convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/913 "2015-12-28T12:54:55Z")
Just saw it and feel very happy that I’ve seen a good solid action entertainment, that could have been great if: - it didnt feel filled to the brim with homages to the original film and also getting its ducks into well-telegraphed lines for the sequels [Abram’s Star Treks also very guilty of the latter]; - It did something different with the Magic Weakspot on the Starkiller. Until the TIE fighters discovered that the explosions had created a new oscillator-hole, I though that there was going to be a twist so that we didn’t go into what was essentially a shot-for-shot reworking of the original movie’s climactic scene. Very much enjoyed and approve of new casting - Rey especially, who was completely convincing. Has a strong touch of Keira Knightley without KK’s ability to always be playing KK. Not a fan of BB8’s anthropomorphic emotions [bow ‘head’ = sad etc]. Emoting robots = shit me to tears. Solid work, and two more may re-balance the Force against George Lucas’s hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/914 "2015-12-28T13:13:59Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > It was nice seeing [Skellig Michael](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skellig_Michael) in Co. Kerry feature as Luke’s exile planet. I wonder if there’ll be an increase in tourists, it’s somewhat inaccessible. I thought I recognized the location! Only from pictures–but what better place for a hermit’s retreat? (Just saw the film yesterday. Glad I remained unspoiled. Definitely derivative but I’m hoping for further development in the next films. Alas, I’ll miss Han.) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/915 "2015-12-28T13:46:53Z")
Sure looks like people who didn’t see the movie in the first weekend are trending toward “like, not love” (which is my position as well). It will be interesting to see how the general opinion shakes out over time. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/916 "2015-12-28T14:21:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Sure looks like people who didn’t see the movie in the first weekend are trending toward “like, not love” (which is my position as well). It will be interesting to see how the general opinion shakes out over time. From memory each of the initial reviews for all of the prequels were good; only ROTS has kept such reviews overall. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/917 "2015-12-28T14:32:16Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > what better place for a hermit’s retreat? Oooh! I bet Peter Noone shows up in Episode VIII and he and Luke do a sing-along to “I’m Into Something Good”! No, wait! Even Better!: > [@](#): > > This is Star Wars the 8th, it is > Star Wars the 8th, it is, it is > I learned the Force from the Jedi next door > You’ve seen this plot seven times before > And every one was a Star Wars > We wouldn’t have The Doctor or Star Trek (No Trek!) > It’s the eighth old entry in the saga > Star Wars the 8th, It is! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/918 "2015-12-28T14:53:34Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Sure looks like people who didn’t see the movie in the first weekend are trending toward “like, not love” (which is my position as well). It will be interesting to see how the general opinion shakes out over time. I would expect that, given that the first wave would be mostly people who really really really wanted to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/919 "2015-12-28T14:55:27Z")
And many of the people seeing it now are people who wouldn’t have gone at all if it hadn’t become such a huge cultural phenomenon. That’s the problem with going big. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/920 "2015-12-28T15:09:40Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > In EpIV, the Death Star vulnerability was discovered after they poured over its plans… I don’t remember them pouring over the plans. Too many droids around - might have an electrical short. > [@MrLee](#): > > …One thing which stood out for me was the strength of Rey as a character; she is well-cast, well-acted and well-written. It is nice to see a strong female protagonist who is not unnecessarily sexualised - and she had a nice balance of self-reliance and vulnerability. Definitely. > [@Banksiaman](#): > > …Very much enjoyed and approve of new casting - Rey especially, who was completely convincing. Has a strong touch of Keira Knightley without KK’s ability to always be playing KK… Well, I don’t agree with your slam against KK, but yes, I was favorably reminded of her, too. Check out the SW7 outtakes Baker’s Dozen beginning at post 40607 here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18969714](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18969714) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=47)