# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/921 "2015-12-28T15:26:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I was absurdly happy that she seemed to have survived the attack. She’ll rebuild her bar - you don’t run a joint for a thousand years without being owed a few favors. Yup. (Another remark added after I finally saw the film–then began running through all the posts.) We didn’t really need another Death Star. But\* every\* spaceport needs a bar… ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/922 "2015-12-28T17:51:15Z")
Been away a couple days and haven’t read the last couple of pages. My son says he’d be tempted to the dark side id only for Ben’s ability to avoid helmet head! 😉 We finished eps 4-6, going to start w/ ep 1 tonight. Pretty sure he’s been mentioned in this thread, but with all the cameo callbacks, it would have been nice to see some Wedge. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/923 "2015-12-28T18:36:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Yup. (Another remark added after I finally saw the film–then began running through all the posts.) > > We didn’t really need another Death Star. But\* every\* spaceport needs a bar… I haven’t seen anything else Lupita Nyong’o was in so far, though I’m sure she’s just terrific. But it seems like if you’re going to have a Space Linda Hunt, why not have her played by Earth Linda Hunt? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/924 "2015-12-28T18:41:33Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Been away a couple days and haven’t read the last couple of pages. My son says he’d be tempted to the dark side id only for Ben’s ability to avoid helmet head! 😉 > > We finished eps 4-6, going to start w/ ep 1 tonight. > > Pretty sure he’s been mentioned in this thread, but with all the cameo callbacks, it would have been nice to see some Wedge. According to wiki, he was offered, but declined on the basis of ‘it would be boring.’ IMHO, ‘I’m already on my way out’ is a great candidate for best line of the entire series. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/925 "2015-12-28T18:44:30Z")
Because Lupita’s BIG and they can go BIG. Hell, Bill Hader was the voice - [sort of](http://www.people.com/article/bill-hader-is-voice-behind-bb8-droid-star-wars-force-awakens) - of BB8! There’s definitely a bit of ‘we can afford it, what the hell’ going on. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/926 "2015-12-28T19:12:18Z")
I saw it again this weekend with the whole family. My son and I saw it last weekend but my wife and daughter hadn’t seen it yet. I still liked it, it still worked for me and it was a good movie up until the Starkiller base. After the movie, my daughter said that she knew everything that was going to happen when it happened so I tried to explain the Hero’s Journey and the Monomyth to her but she just rolled her eyes at me in a way that only a 13-year-old girl can do. My wife liked it and she liked that after this movie they can go into so many directions with the next movies, like movies about Han Solo and Leia and stuff like that. I told her they were working on a movie about young Han Solo and she replied “If it isn’t Harrison Ford, I don’t want to see it.” Good point. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/927 "2015-12-28T19:18:13Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > 1. Noire desert planet dwelling character stumbles upon the force. CHECK > > 2. Evil Empire has yet another version of the Death Star. CHECK > > 3. Its evil Overlord from the Dark Side wears a black mask, and is mentored by a creepy “emperor”. CHECK > > 4. Said evil dark overlord character is involved in “father-son” drama. CHECK > > 5. Said evil lord captures female protagonist, tortures her on his Death Star, and she has top be rescued by the protagonists. CHECK > > 6. Cute android. CHECK > > 7. Bar scene full of freak aliens from around the galaxy. CHECK > > 8. Weird looking midget with googley eyes who knows recognizes the Force is inside someone. CHECK > > 9. Death Star used later be to destroy another planet. CHECK > > 10. Said Death Star is destroyed by rebel fighters who target a weak spot on the Death Star; Death Star shields are disabled by brave heroes who infiltrate it. CHECK > > 11. Climatic light saber duel in the mist of apocalyptic destruction. CHECK > > 12. Plotline open for Evil Overlord to return . . . . . > I mean, I probably could go on and on. JJ Abrams did nothing to hurt the franchise, unlike those three miserable prequels, and he brought back enough nostalgia to please the Star Wars crowd, but other than the Ben backstory, there was little original about the movie. > > I had fun but at the same time I felt I was watching a well-done rehash of Star Wars and Return of the Jedi. Yep. But given the fanboy over-the-top hatefilled rejection of epi’s 1, 2, 3, this was needed. They _had_ to recreate the magic of the first films. In this, they did fine. I’d give this a solid B+. Very entertaining and a great call back. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/928 "2015-12-28T20:01:40Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > IMHO, ‘I’m already on my way out’ is a great candidate for best line of the entire series. I have never noticed this being said when watching the film, but now I see it’s listed as a famous quote in several places. Why? What’s the subtext I’m missing that makes this a great line? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/929 "2015-12-28T20:12:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > And many of the people seeing it now are people who wouldn’t have gone at all if it hadn’t become such a huge cultural phenomenon. That’s the problem with going big. I didn’t go yesterday because the film was “a huge cultural phenomenon.” But I remember hearing about the first prequel–so I waited to see whether it sucked or not. (I seem to remember the judgment on that first stinker was immediate.) Most initial reviews of _this_ film were not so much “this is the best film ever made” as “yay, it doesn’t suck!” When _Star Wars_ came out, I was an adult. A very young & silly one–but I’d been reading SF for many years. I enjoyed it because it was _fun_. The genre of Space Opera was considered corny, but the characters were charming, the effects excellent (for the time) & there was even some humor. (For Arty Significance, there was _2001_.) I enjoyed the next two films but skipped the prequels. Never read any spinoff novels, played the games or watched the cartoons. So maybe I’m not a True Fan. (Oh, and I’d already read some Joseph Campbell–whose work isn’t all that simplistic.) May have to see it again on a big screen to catch some of the details. And I’ll gladly watch the next two. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/930 "2015-12-28T21:05:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > …I’d give this a solid B+. Very entertaining and a great call back. That is, almost word for word, what I told my wife (who’s not a SW fan) after I got back from the theater. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/931 "2015-12-28T21:39:13Z")
I really wish they hadn’t mentioned the countdown during the final scenes. We all know how long 15 minutes is (or isn’t), and I’m quite certain it’s not nearly enough time for everything we’re shown to occur. Seriously, we’ve got the protagonists running out of the base door, the next shot we’re told the weapon will be ready to fire in 2 minutes, then the very next shot after that our protagonists are climbing over the top of a cliff at least 1/2 mile away from the door they just ran through, running who knows how far through the woods, having a lightsaber duel, going back for Finn, and escaping the planet before it exploded. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/932 "2015-12-28T21:42:50Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I have never noticed this being said when watching the film, but now I see it’s listed as a famous quote in several places. > > Why? What’s the subtext I’m missing that makes this a great line? Mainly that Wedge and Lando were, at that point, still approaching their targets (Lando was going for the main core, and told Wedge to hit an important piece of supporting equipment nearby). Wedge’s line is basically that sort of next-level boasting that isn’t even boasting, just a matter-of-fact observation that the task is as good as done. He hasn’t even hit the target yet, but he considers himself already homeward bound, because it ain’t no big deal. That’s part of Wedge’s charm in the old series. In a galaxy full of over-the-top scoundrels and badasses and knights and wizards and princesses, he’s just that one cool-headed guy doing his job, which happens to involve tripping up giant mecha, drawing fire from Darth Vader himself, and helping to blow up massive superweapons. It’s just all in a day’s work for the guy. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/933 "2015-12-28T22:13:08Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > I really wish they hadn’t mentioned the countdown during the final scenes. We all know how long 15 minutes is (or isn’t), and I’m quite certain it’s not nearly enough time for everything we’re shown to occur. 15 _Space_ minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/934 "2015-12-28T22:21:40Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > 15 _Space_ minutes. Which is definitely less than 12 parsecs. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/935 "2015-12-28T22:46:38Z")
I read where the guy who played Wedge wasn’t interested in doing any more Star Wars movies. Made me think, though, since they’re doing more movies set back in the Rebellion era, like _Rogue One_ and the young Han Solo movie, which means they’re going to have to recast a lot of people for that anyway… [Daniel Radcliffe](http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/2/1412251231001/Daniel-Radcliffe-will-sta-014.jpg) as [Wedge Antilles](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1792481/images/o-WEDGE-ANTILLES-facebook.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/936 "2015-12-28T23:05:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Daniel Radcliffe](http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/2/1412251231001/Daniel-Radcliffe-will-sta-014.jpg) as [Wedge Antilles](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1792481/images/o-WEDGE-ANTILLES-facebook.jpg). That’s kind of perfect actually. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/937 "2015-12-28T23:30:16Z")
I’m seeing it again Wednesday with my kids(ages 7 and 5). They watched the despecialized Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi recently and unspoiled. Here they are watching the big “I am your father moment.” I know they react totally calmly, but that’s just how they are. They were very surprised, actually. [Vader Father Reveal.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ullBWekySYA) They watched Jedi today and flow right into Episode VII Wednesday. Lucky dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/938 "2015-12-29T00:59:56Z")
You should make them wait 32 years before watching VII. ---
**Author:** ![D18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@D18](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D18)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/939 "2015-12-29T01:04:27Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I believe they are siblings rather than cousins. Though it remains to be seen. Leia and Han Solo forget they also had a daughter? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/940 "2015-12-29T01:05:23Z")
Ren. Rey. Ren. Rey. A coincidence, I’m sure. Ren waves his hand and smashes Rey against a tree. Makes sense. So why doesn’t he do that to Finn too? Usually in these sorts of fights force users can’t fling each other around unless they break the other guy’s concentration first, but Finn isn’t a force user as far as the audience knows, so… The face to face hilt crossing between Ren and Rey was supposed to be emotional I think, but I wasn’t feeling it. She just hears the words “the force” and gets an upgrade? Okay. Then Rey didn’t just fend him off, she kicked his ass. Seemed to be using her anger, which is supposed to be a bad sign. The only reason Ren survives is because of the most convenient sinkhole in cinematic history. Back to the drawing board, kid. Fire up the Evanescence. Rey and Luke staring at each other for so long was kinda awkward. Ending on a Luke line would’ve been better, maybe. Other than those and some other little issues, pretty good action flick. I liked the sets, the desert scenes, and the grittiness – didn’t shy away from showing storm troopers massacring people. The Empire were always space Nazis, but here they even did a half roman salute. Daisy Ridley is a pretty good actor, at least the emoting part. That mind meld scene could’ve been a narmy disaster, but she sold it. Still a little silly though. I bet listening to just the audio would make it sound really inappropriate. They reversed it so the bad guy is trying to resist the temptation of the light. It’s like poetry, it rhymes. I’m just wondering what the end goal is here. The throne room scene with Palpatine, Vader, and Luke is tough to beat. Are they really going to repeat it with Snoke, Ren, and Rey? I’ve seen some people say that now the first one is out of the way they can do more original stories. Apparently these people never saw Star Trek: Into Darkness. The “rule of two” was made up in the prequels, wasn’t it? If so, I doubt it’ll ever be referenced again. Because it’s kinda stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=48)