# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1101 "2015-12-31T18:31:26Z")
Just saw it again. Loved it just as much. Also noticed Rey is not quite the pro with the lightsaber (until she finds the Force when she markedly improves) as my memory fooled me into thinking so that niggling issue is quelled for me. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1102 "2015-12-31T19:48:27Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > …But that’s definitely a case where a couple of quick lines of dialog explaining that… Rey had been one of the people working on it, explaining why she was so familiar with its systems… If that were so, she wouldn’t be so quick to tell Finn to avoid it, would she? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1103 "2015-12-31T19:56:06Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If that were so, she wouldn’t be so quick to tell Finn to avoid it, would she? Given how close they came to getting killed by poisonous gas, trying to avoid the Falcon seems reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![ruh-roh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ruh-roh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruh-roh)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1104 "2015-12-31T20:48:37Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Which reminds me: the MF ran _awfully_ well for a piece of junk - Rey said it herself - that had been sitting there on Jakku for who knows how long. ah-ha. You have hit upon the proof that Rey is Luke’s daughter since she has inherited memories (or maybe it’s a Force link), but the first time Luke lays eyes on the Millennium Falcon his remark is “What a piece of junk!”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1105 "2015-12-31T20:50:32Z")
“You came in THAT thing? You’re braver than I thought!” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1106 "2015-12-31T21:04:01Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > It could all have to do with what is eventually revealed about Rey and her reason for being dumped on the planet. Perhaps that junkyard dealer is more crucial than we think. I guess that’s cool. I’m having a hard time picturing a reveal like this in movies that have to edit down to ~2 hours. The thing is, in great movies(and this movie _is_ great), this stuff slides to the side and becomes funny, but not usable as a complaint. I have tons of critiques of Episodes IV, V, and VI, but I don’t care since they are awesome and fun movies. The Prequels? Every little screw-up compounds the boring and incompetent reality of the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Panthan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Panthan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Panthan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1107 "2015-12-31T21:56:44Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It also had nothing locking it down. Like a big rope? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1108 "2016-01-01T00:19:11Z")
> [@AndrewL](#): > > My theory is that the junk dealer had been deliberately keeping the Falcon in ready-to-go condition while making everyone think it was a piece of non-functional junk. Perhaps as an emergency escape plan he could use, perhaps as part of the deeper backstory of why Rey was left on the planet, or perhaps he just didn’t want it flying until he figured out a way to block whatever method Han used to detect it and track it down the moment it took off. That’s my take on it exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1109 "2016-01-01T01:32:52Z")
> [@Panthan](#): > > Like a big rope? Like a chip that makes it deactivated until removed. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1110 "2016-01-01T02:15:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It also had nothing locking it down. I can’t believe that it requires no “keys” to start it and that the junk yard owner doesn’t have a chip installed to prevent it from leaving. I can’t believe he hadn’t at least stripped it for parts. > [@AndrewL](#): > > My theory is that the junk dealer had been deliberately keeping the Falcon in ready-to-go condition while making everyone think it was a piece of non-functional junk. Perhaps as an emergency escape plan he could use, perhaps as part of the deeper backstory of why Rey was left on the planet, or perhaps he just didn’t want it flying until he figured out a way to block whatever method Han used to detect it and track it down the moment it took off. Yeah, but I agree on the key thing, and that struck me right away when I saw that scene. You’d think that on a planet like that, apparently full of not-so-reputable scavengers, a functional spaceship that only requires flipping a switch to start her up just sitting there on an open lot would be stolen pretty much immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1111 "2016-01-01T05:18:28Z")
Maybe the local thieves weren’t truly motivated until there was a First Order attack. ---
**Author:** ![GovernmentMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GovernmentMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GovernmentMan)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1112 "2016-01-01T05:28:41Z")
Didn’t like this movie that much, but the more I think about it the more I dislike it. So many things don’t make sense or are left unexplained. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1113 "2016-01-01T08:38:27Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Which reminds me: the MF ran _awfully_ well for a piece of junk - Rey said it herself - that had been sitting there on Jakku for who knows how long. I thought the conversation about the modifications made by the various owners (including that Jakku junkboss) meant that it hadn’t just been sitting idle all this time - maybe a few years at most. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1114 "2016-01-01T09:58:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > He did…but the point made upthread is really valid: come home to what? He’s got to be thrown in prison for life at the least. > > Which raises a question: if you did imprison someone like him, how would you do it? Marvel has all kinds of interesting prisons for supervillains (my favorite being the all-plastic one for Magneto); what could the Republic or Resistance come up with for Ren? It occurred to me that maybe Han was being disingenuous about the “come home” stuff, and was essentially behaving like a police negotiator who is trying to talk a hostage-taker into surrendering peacefully. But, as you point out, Ren is a criminal and there’s no practical way to subdue him, so Han’s peacemaking overtures don’t really make sense. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1115 "2016-01-01T10:03:40Z")
I didn’t hate the movie, but it bored me. Disney and Abrams went beyond playing it safe and just re-did a movie I had already seen done better 30 years ago. George Lucas created something remarkable, and was then reviled for not topping himself when he tried to top himself. Now J.J. Abrams is being hailed as a savior for poorly copying Lucas’s original movie. Why, oh why, could not George have understood what his fans really wanted and made the same damn movie 7 times in a row? Had he just done that, the Death Sphere would by now have been as big as all Creation and the rebels would have had to face an existential crisis before trying to destroy it. Episode 7: the Big Bang. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1116 "2016-01-01T10:15:27Z")
I cosign most of that, **nachtmusick**. Well stated. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1117 "2016-01-01T18:11:19Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Yeah, but I agree on the key thing, and that struck me right away when I saw that scene. You’d think that on a planet like that, apparently full of not-so-reputable scavengers, a functional spaceship that only requires flipping a switch to start her up just sitting there on an open lot would be stolen pretty much immediately. Certainly true. It’s up to each individual person whether that sort of hole in the logic causes you to chuckled and shake your head and go back to enjoying the movie, or instead causes you to [deeply and passionately despise JJ Abrams.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=779433) > [@nachtmusick](#): > > Now J.J. Abrams is being hailed as a savior for poorly copying Lucas’s original movie. Well, if you note, most of the posts even from the people who are enthusiastic about the film have reservations about how slavishly it copied some plot details from the earlier films. I think just about everyone agrees that on the scale between “brand new things that are original” and “homages to familiar things”, this movie was too far towards the second. Everyone seems to hope that it will pull back from that going forward. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1118 "2016-01-01T18:20:31Z")
George Lucas is not a happy camper: [George Lucas Criticizes Latest ‘Star Wars’ Installment - The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/movies/george-lucas-criticizes-latest-star-wars-installment.html) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1119 "2016-01-01T18:23:54Z")
It’s rather improper for someone who voluntarily sold property for four billion dollars to describe the buyers as “white slavers” who bought his children. WTF did he think Disney was going to do with what he sold? Lovingly coo over and hand-feed his “children”? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1120 "2016-01-01T18:43:39Z")
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