# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1121 "2016-01-01T21:09:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It’s rather improper for someone who voluntarily sold property for four billion dollars to describe the buyers as “white slavers” who bought his children. WTF did he think Disney was going to do with what he sold? Lovingly coo over and hand-feed his “children”? He imagined they might make a new movie. Instead they manufactured merchandise. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1122 "2016-01-01T21:20:34Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > George Lucas is not a happy camper: [http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/movies/george-lucas-criticizes-latest-star-wars-installment.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/movies/george-lucas-criticizes-latest-star-wars-installment.html) You know what? I don’t give a crap. Lucas gave us the prequels and infinite varieties of “special editions” and rehashes of the original trilogy. He really has no room to complain about treatments of his legacy. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1123 "2016-01-01T22:27:58Z")
Lucas complaining is like somebody letting their house go to shit, selling it for 4 billion and then whining when the new owner fixes it up. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1124 "2016-01-01T23:00:06Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > He imagined they might make a new movie. Instead they manufactured merchandise. They could have at least manufactured _good_ merchandise. G.I. Joes had 3 3/4" action figures with 14 points of articulation back in 1983. Now Star Wars has gone back to _5_. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1125 "2016-01-01T23:07:44Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > They could have at least manufactured _good_ merchandise. G.I. Joes had 3 3/4" action figures with 14 points of articulation back in 1983. Now Star Wars has gone back to _5_. Perhaps, but the 36" Darth Vader doll I picked up at Wal-Mart last Christmas still manages to this day to scare the hell out of my cat when I move it slowly towards him while humming the Imperial March. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1126 "2016-01-01T23:15:24Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > I didn’t hate the movie, but it bored me. Disney and Abrams went beyond playing it safe and just re-did a movie I had already seen done better 30 years ago. > > George Lucas created something remarkable, and was then reviled for not topping himself when he tried to top himself. Now J.J. Abrams is being hailed as a savior for poorly copying Lucas’s original movie. > > Why, oh why, could not George have understood what his fans really wanted and made the same damn movie 7 times in a row? In fairness, one of the few movie franchises that – as of this week – has outgrossed the STAR WARS movies is, well, the JAMES BOND movies. I’m just _saying,_ is all. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1127 "2016-01-02T02:53:26Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Just saw it again. Loved it just as much. Also noticed Rey is not quite the pro with the lightsaber (until she finds the Force when she markedly improves) as my memory fooled me into thinking so that niggling issue is quelled for me. They both are not terribly proficient. Which makes sense… First film i’ve seen in 3D and IMAX. I thought it looked amazing, and I’m not saying that because of the wow factor…I have no desire to see any of the previews in that format. I just thought it was really well filmed for that format. The first row looked like they got taken out by rubble several times. Music was a bit underwehelming until the fight on the forest planet. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1128 "2016-01-02T05:17:03Z")
Saw it in IMAX 3D. Thought the IMAX was fantastic. Not sure the 3D added much. Anyways, on rewatch I found the flaws I identified on first viewing leapt out far more on second viewing. For instance, some of the arguments that have been made focuses around that Rylo Ken isn’t all that proficient in the Force. In rewatch I found that not only is that false, but that Rylo Ken is far more powerful in the Force that I originally remembered. It made the last battle and getting overpowered by Rey in Force grabbing the lightsaber even more disappointing. Though **Quimby** is correct that Rey (and Finn before him) actually get schooled by Kylo Ren in the lightsaber battle, until Rey remembers the Force and starts becoming a badass lightsaber user… which is also a bit strange, tbh - unless the lightsaber itself has some Force memory. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1129 "2016-01-02T05:27:26Z")
Just saw SW4:ANH again tonight with two of my sons, one of whom had never seen it before, and the other of whom had seen it but barely remembered it. It still holds up very well (despite the Seventies hairstyles of Hamill and Ford) but also drove home just how similar the plot of SW7 is. I had forgotten about the informant who leads the stormtroopers to the _Millenium Falcon_’s hangar bay on Tatooine. Look a little familiar?: [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garindan/Legends](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garindan/Legends) [![](https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w568/7929b00148df0c75841d914ff933301d9c4644b0.jpg) ](https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w568/7929b00148df0c75841d914ff933301d9c4644b0.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1130 "2016-01-02T05:42:18Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Just saw SW4:ANH again tonight with two of my sons, one of whom had never seen it before, and the other of whom had seen it but barely remembered it. It still holds up very well (despite the Seventies hairstyles of Hamill and Ford) but also drove home just how similar the plot of SW7 is. > > I had forgotten about the informant who leads the stormtroopers to the _Millenium Falcon_’s hangar bay on Tatooine. Look a little familiar?: > > [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garindan/Legends](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garindan/Legends) > [https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT\_TO\_WIDTH-w568/7929b00148df0c75841d914ff933301d9c4644b0.jpg](https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w568/7929b00148df0c75841d914ff933301d9c4644b0.jpg) The visual similarity between Kylo Ren and Darth Revan from the Knights of the Old Republic games is [too close to be coincidence](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/DSRevan.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1131 "2016-01-02T06:06:15Z")
The movie came across as a J.J. Abram’s flavored–lot’s of action, some character development, and a subtle reboot incorporating the various plot points from previous movies. As for the Dark Force: You folks suck at engineering and “lessons learned.” Even Bond villain’s mock your work. You’ve had three chances to build a working Death Star and all you have to show for it is a fireworks show triology. Even the Three Stooges could kick your ass and they wouldn’t even know because they’d be too busy slapping and poking each others eyes out. Go find a bunch of girls to beat up in another galaxy far, far away, you sissies…I bet you lose to them, too. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1132 "2016-01-02T09:49:38Z")
Watched it again. My companion loved it. Rey mentions she is a pilot, so there should not be a surprise that shd can fly the Falcon. What she seems to have trouble is flying low. She was heading straight up until Finn told her to fly low. She also was just blocking the saber until the force talk. Then she attacked Kylo. I want to see how Kylo fares after that battle. At the least he’ll have a scar across the face and maybe a leg prosthetic. Also Rey seemed to have anger… or Dark Force. And like the first time, I think Finn is force sensitive, like Leia. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1133 "2016-01-02T14:08:36Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > The visual similarity between Kylo Ren and Darth Revan from the Knights of the Old Republic games is [too close to be coincidence](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/DSRevan.jpg). I think it is coincidence, actually. I think both were going for “Darth Vaderesque”, and any such design will inevitably be pretty similar. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1134 "2016-01-02T14:50:42Z")
> [@Panthan](#): > > Like a big rope? Well, a couple of useless tarps, too. > [@Rigamarole](#): > > You’d think that on a planet like that, apparently full of not-so-reputable scavengers, a functional spaceship that only requires flipping a switch to start her up just sitting there on an open lot would be stolen pretty much immediately. It had been, several times, and Rey knew who did it and in which order, too - except her knowledge stopped just short of Han’s ownership, for some reason. She didn’t just make herself the next thief, hop in and fly off that hole of a planet, either, although she could have instead of waiting for her parents to finally come get her. And, through all that, she somehow didn’t make the connection that it was the famous Millenium Falcon. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1135 "2016-01-02T16:00:18Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Saw it in IMAX 3D. Thought the IMAX was fantastic. Not sure the 3D added much. > > Anyways, on rewatch I found the flaws I identified on first viewing leapt out far more on second viewing. For instance, some of the arguments that have been made focuses around that Rylo Ken isn’t all that proficient in the Force. In rewatch I found that not only is that false, but that Rylo Ken is far more powerful in the Force that I originally remembered. It made the last battle and getting overpowered by Rey in Force grabbing the lightsaber even more disappointing. Though **Quimby** is correct that Rey (and Finn before him) actually get schooled by Kylo Ren in the lightsaber battle, until Rey remembers the Force and starts becoming a badass lightsaber user… which is also a bit strange, tbh - unless the lightsaber itself has some Force memory. I’ve seen it twice now as well. There are some glaringly bad plot points that become more obvious on repeat viewings. I’d love to know how many repeat viewings there have been. Given the box office numbers, I’d assume a lot. I just can’t see myself seeing it again anytime soon because of the plot points I know I will now see clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1136 "2016-01-02T16:37:12Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > The visual similarity between Kylo Ren and Darth Revan from the Knights of the Old Republic games is [too close to be coincidence](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/DSRevan.jpg). Wait, that’s me! You know, I was just playing through Knights of the Old Republic and when it came time to do all the patching and manipulation required to run KotoR II in widescreen, I discovered that Obsidian had actually patched it, more than a decade later, so that it’ll now run on modern screens without need for mods, and the restored content mod has been integrated into Steam Workshop so that it integrates with zero hassle. Plus, right now you can buy the game on Steam for $2.99. I recall being disappointed with how broken the game was, with some parts of the story having spun out without conclusion, but I forgot what delightful interface improvements and depth of storytelling it offered over the original. Sorry. Back to the movie. You know, people keep harping on the plot similarities, but really only the skeleton of A New Hope gets reused. It’s a substantially different movie. If they’d said it was meant to be a remake, people would be complaining about the differences being so vast as to hardly count as the same plot at all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1137 "2016-01-02T19:22:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It had been, several times, and Rey knew who did it and in which order, too - except her knowledge stopped just short of Han’s ownership, for some reason. She didn’t just make herself the next thief, hop in and fly off that hole of a planet, either, although she could have instead of waiting for her parents to finally come get her. And, through all that, she somehow didn’t make the connection that it was the famous Millenium Falcon. Surely the Falcon isn’t the _only_ Corellian YT-1300 light freighter in the entire galaxy. It’s less like discovering the Batmobile in a junkyard than it is discovering an old Pontiac Firebird in a junkyard and finding out later that it was once owned by Bruce Willis. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1138 "2016-01-02T21:20:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. I’m disappointed Luke has no lines. His moment was powerful, extremely powerful. Mark Hamill nailed the “reveal”(hood back) moment of his character. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a line at one point and I can actually understand the final decision to simply show him, but wow, I was stunned. I was predicting at least one brief line How long did Rey stand holding Luke’s light sabre out to him. Was Luke running a still on Skellig Michael, was he slumbering that long that it took him a few minutes to click that someone had tracked him down and was returning his light sabre? Can we zoom in on the blu-ray release to Ray shaking the sabre a bit in her hand while hissing at him to take it from her? > [@Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](#): > > I thought it was merely a 3/5 movie\*. It started better than that - the early parts with Finn’s and Rey’s backstories before they meet was really well done but once they grab Millenium Falcon and blast off the movie suffers from almost constant action with no pauses I expected more from Disney, I got more from any number of their animated films that I took my daughter to see over the past few years. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1139 "2016-01-02T21:33:57Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > Plus, right now you can buy the game on Steam for $2.99. I recall being disappointed with how broken the game was, with some parts of the story having spun out without conclusion, but I forgot what delightful interface improvements and depth of storytelling it offered over the original. The great thing about KotOR was that it managed to be better Star Wars than the prequels that came out about the same time, and the story would have made an excellent movie in its own right. Revan was a tragic badass, Malak was a slimy dick, there were Wookies and robot assassins and spacewise urchins and all sorts of cool shit, plus you got to trash an entire Sith Academy. Lucas should have handed the keys to the franchise over 20 years ago and let other people develop his deas, then he’d still be a culture-hero. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1140 "2016-01-02T22:14:28Z")
…and complaining about Obsidian being “white slavers.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=58)