# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1161 "2016-01-03T21:08:50Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I _liked_ the rolling tentacle monsters. I just didn’t buy that Finn was the only person they grabbed who was not immediately killed. At that point, it had eaten, like, half a dozen space pirates. Finn was going into the larder. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1162 "2016-01-03T21:44:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > Wait, that’s me! > > You know, I was just playing through Knights of the Old Republic and when it came time to do all the patching and manipulation required to run KotoR II in widescreen, I discovered that Obsidian had actually patched it, more than a decade later, so that it’ll now run on modern screens without need for mods, and the restored content mod has been integrated into Steam Workshop so that it integrates with zero hassle. Plus, right now you can buy the game on Steam for $2.99. I recall being disappointed with how broken the game was, with some parts of the story having spun out without conclusion, but I forgot what delightful interface improvements and depth of storytelling it offered over the original. > > Sorry. Back to the movie. > > You know, people keep harping on the plot similarities, but really only the skeleton of A New Hope gets reused. It’s a substantially different movie. If they’d said it was meant to be a remake, people would be complaining about the differences being so vast as to hardly count as the same plot at all. No, it’s not a remake, it’s a hit parade of everyone’s favorite star wars tropes. Still better than the prequels, though. (in my opinion) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1163 "2016-01-03T23:03:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > At that point, it had eaten, like, half a dozen space pirates. Finn was going into the larder. There was three monsters though so that’s only two pirates each. What kind of respectable space monster is full after two pirates? ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1164 "2016-01-03T23:04:40Z")
[The top ten things YOU didn’t know about Darth Vader’s suit!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo) Help, I can’t stop laughing. I may die. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1165 "2016-01-03T23:22:58Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > [The top ten things YOU didn’t know about Darth Vader’s suit!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo) > > Help, I can’t stop laughing. I may die. [The internet has already created a few designs for Emperor Palpatine’s Surgical Reconscrution Center.](https://i.imgur.com/edXYFqV.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1166 "2016-01-03T23:27:05Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > There was three monsters though so that’s only two pirates each. What kind of respectable space monster is full after two pirates? Those things were mostly mouth, tentacles, and eyes. Not much room for internal organs. They were probably stuffed after only two pirates each. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1167 "2016-01-03T23:50:25Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > [The top ten things YOU didn’t know about Darth Vader’s suit!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo) > > Help, I can’t stop laughing. I may die. I love the fact that the Empire built two Death Stars but couldn’t afford to give Vader boots that fit. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1168 "2016-01-04T00:52:37Z")
Way up thread somebody asked if there was likely to be an extended cut. Although that’s unlikely there was a novel version of the film released at the same time as the movie and it had a few extra scenes that may have been filmed but cut… The novel opens with a scene of Leia thinking about the events of the past and about having sent an exceptional Resistance pilot (Poe Dameron) to try and find her brother. This is followed by the opening scene of the Movie (the First Order forces on approach to Jakku). FN-2187’s (Finn’s) failure to shoot the villagers is initially thought by one of his fellow troopers to be due to a “blaster jam,” explaining why Captain Phasma orders him to turn in his weapon to be checked by technicians. At Niima Outpost, rather than refusing outright Unkar Plutt’s offer of 60 portions for BB-8, Rey instead bargains up. She actually ends up selling him, but then retracts the deal and gives Plutt a piece of her mind. This burns her bridges with him, but earns her respect from many of the villagers. Leia is seen sending her personal envoy, Korr Sella, to persuade the Senate of the New Republic to act against the First Order, revealing that the Resistance is not a formal part of the New Republic armed forces. Sella is later noted to be one of the victims of the first firing of the Starkiller Base superweapon. There is an additional scene that depicts Poe Dameron’s encounter with a scavenger on Jakku and his escape from the planet following the crash of the stolen TIE fighter. There is an additional scene at Maz Kanata’s castle, just after Finn’s decision to try and flee the conflict. Unkar Plutt and some of his henchmen arrive and attempt to abduct Rey and BB-8. Rey tries to shoot him with the blaster given to her by Han, but she has not taken the safety off, and is quickly disarmed by Plutt. This may explain why in the movie she is shown taking the safety off before attacking a group of stormtroopers. Rey is rescued by the intervention of Chewbacca, whom Plutt unwisely aggravates by poking at his wounded shoulder. Chewbacca responds by ripping off Plutt’s arm. All this was listed from Wookipedia, not researched by me. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1169 "2016-01-04T01:21:59Z")
Interesting tidbits, thanks. I wonder if they were careful to wait to release the novelization until after the movie was out? In 1980 I had the Luke/Vader/father surprise ruined by the _Empire Strikes Back_ novelization that a kid brought to school. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1170 "2016-01-04T01:31:04Z")
After reading 1169 posts in this thread, all I really have is that I enjoyed the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1171 "2016-01-04T02:12:36Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Interesting tidbits, thanks. > > I wonder if they were careful to wait to release the novelization until after the movie was out? In 1980 I had the Luke/Vader/father surprise ruined by the _Empire Strikes Back_ novelization that a kid brought to school. Yes, they waited until day of release. They also waited to officially release the soundtrack due to the potential of track titles spoiling things. They didn’t, but this happened with Episode I. Phantom Menace’s soundtrack was released a week or two early and contained a track entitled “The High Council Meeting and Qui-Gon’s Funeral”. I saw this in the store early and was kind of disappointed to see the spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1172 "2016-01-04T02:55:36Z")
Just saw this turd…I am mad, because I’ll never get that 2 1/2 hours of my life back. Absolutely boring and lousy-the Vatican newspaper review was spot on. Just recycled-the new “Death star” is now the Planet Death Star, Admiral Akhbar is still around, and the Millennial Falcon is still a pile of junk. The light sabers appeared to have been upgraded a bit…but other wise, the inhabitants of Joker/Jakka? still dress like 4th century peasants. And,is Darth Vader II really just a young John Travolta? What a steaming pile! Oh, and I didn’t get the Luke Skywalker thing-he’s hiding out on earth, living as an Irish monk? ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1173 "2016-01-04T03:04:41Z")
> [@sparky\_1](#): > > Now that I’ve had time to process what I saw, I have the following minor nitpicks: > > - Would have been nice to see Rey exhibit Force use when we meet her. Have her do something, but have no idea it is the Force that gives her that ability. It would have to be something small that seems like nothing to her. > > - I found Rey being able to fly the Millennium Falcon as though she could just jump into a complex cockpit and know how everything worked took away from the scene. Or maybe that was her Force moment and I didn’t get it. > > - Finn needed a little more back story. Even just a 5 second glimpse of his Stormtrooper life would have helped. Like something that really showed him as one of them, maybe a barracks seen as they all form out to gear up. Just something. > > - Kylo Ren was a bit too wimpy a character. However, I did still like the character overall and the acting of Driver, but some bit of gravity or something was missing. > > And question: what are the capsules everyone wears on their clothing? Energy packs? Space pens? ??? Quote: And question: what are the capsules everyone wears on their clothing? Energy packs? Space pens? ??? I was wondering too…did Empire generals use fountain pens? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1174 "2016-01-04T04:01:34Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Once again, it’s not as simple as either of you are saying–because “the prequels” are not an undifferentiated mass any more than “the original trilogy” was. The new movie is better than the first two prequels, but not as good as _Revenge of the Sith._ I honestly cannot think of a single element of the art of cinema in which “Revenge of the Sith” was a good movie by the standards of Hollywood fare, or better than “The Force Awakens.” Not one. I will grant it was better than the other two prequels, in the sense that they were such an incoherent mess even a mediocre film would be better than them. But otherwise… How is Revenge of the Sith better? It has a stupid story rife with more holes (by a country mile) than The Force Awakens. It’s boringly filmed, poorly blocked, and very shittily acted with a few exceptions. It was dull and carried no emotional weight at all. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1175 "2016-01-04T04:13:04Z")
MMV. I was bored during TFA but not ever during RotS. And the only thing I really disliked in the latter was the infamously cringeworthy “Nooooo!” from Vader. (Yes, TFA looks better, but is just too unoriginal storywise except for Finn and Rey.) ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1176 "2016-01-04T05:08:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I honestly cannot think of a single element of the art of cinema in which “Revenge of the Sith” was a good movie by the standards of Hollywood fare Well, it DID have Natalie Portman! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1177 "2016-01-04T05:51:47Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Well, it DID have Natalie Portman! So did\* Your Highness\*… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1178 "2016-01-04T06:22:59Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So did\* Your Highness\*… Which is ANOTHER fine film! It even had Naked Natalie Portman BUTT! God good,man, get a grip! ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1179 "2016-01-04T06:25:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So did\* Your Highness\*… Gawd that movie sucked, I mean really fucking sucked. Only Movie 43 is lower on my personal list, and not by much. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1180 "2016-01-04T09:40:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Which is ANOTHER fine film! _De gustibus_, man. I won’t turn it off if it’s the only thing on TV, but it is not “fine”, mostly because the lead is horrible and pot humour is lame. Although “Magic!..Motherfucker!” is a great line. > [@](#): > > It even had Naked Natalie Portman BUTT! No, it didn’t. Firstly because she was still wearing the g-string chastity belt, and secondly because Portman has no ass to speak of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=60)