# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1201 "2016-01-04T20:31:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t recall seeing anyone wearing a tunic over a knee-length undershirt and leggings but no pants or underpants. Do you think they didn’t have underpants in the Middle Ages? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1202 "2016-01-04T21:08:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > This has nothing to do with the subject of the OP. I’ve deleted the link and we’ll go back to discussing Star Wars. > > RickJay > Moderator No probs, Rick. It is indeed a topic from a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1203 "2016-01-04T21:27:35Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I would sincerely love to discover that Snoke is actually three inches tall. [Called that one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18969882&postcount=901), although I gave him a generous 18 inches. The giant hologram smacks way too much of overcompensating. He may not actually end up being miniature, but I think at least “small in stature” is almost a sure bet. ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1204 "2016-01-04T21:44:40Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Star Wars is a fairy tale set in space. That is both its strength and its weakness. And why do the Imperial Stormtroopers wear that stupid plastic body armor (that apparently doesn’t do anything)? The officers do have a Nazi-era look about them…those black uniforms look a bit like the ones worn by the Waffen SS. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1205 "2016-01-05T01:08:44Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Nonsense. > [ul] > > - redacted - > [/ul] Did you mean to leave out: [ul] [li]Nightgown has uncomfortable looking string-of-pearl straps, but did not leave a line of red marks when slept in[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1206 "2016-01-05T01:40:06Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I would sincerely love to discover that Snoke is actually three inches tall. I like the early suggestion that he’s gigantically larger and this is just a miniature of him. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Do you think they didn’t have underpants in the Middle Ages? It was all just chastity belts. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1207 "2016-01-05T03:00:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Nonsense. > [ul] > [li]Buzzbots![/li][li]Jedi-Incapacitating Force Fields that the Jedi forgot about and have no defense for, and are common knowledge. Their whole plan is stupid.[/li][li]Jedi-Incapacitating Force Fields that the bad guy almost forgot to use.[/li][li]A senseless 45 minute fight on skateboards over lava, off of falling towers, flippy-flippy-slash-slash. And then because Obi Wan is two meters above Anakin on a gentle slope, “You can’t win, I’ve got the high ground!” Idiocy.[/li][li]Reflected force lightning makes Palpatine look shitty. A stupid solution to a problem no one in the universe had. Who was going, “Hey, I wonder why Palpatine, the guy who is harnessing true-evil for power looks kinda scabby 25 years after taking control?” [/li][li]Padme dies because she lost the will to live. Well, fucking intubate her then.[/li][li]Horrible acting.[/li][li]Horrible scripting.asa[/li][li]Boring action scenes.[/li][li]Jar-Jarringly inept creature design.[/li][li]Nooooooooooooooooooooo! [Shakes fists with elbows tucked into body, as a small girl might][/li][/ul] Re the high ground That was an appeal to anakins pride and vanity…“don’t try it” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1208 "2016-01-05T03:41:37Z")
Just saw TFA again tonight and, despite the warmed-over destroy-the-superweapon final act, enjoyed it all over again. Rey is great - spunky, cute and capable - and really is the core character of the movie. I noticed the music a little more the second time around. A similar theme plays when we first see Rey, scavenging from the crashed Star Destroyer on Jakku, and then again when the _Millennium Falcon_ arrives at Luke’s island at the end. Got chills when Han thought back to what he’d done with Luke and his friends 30 years earlier and said, “It’s all true - all of it.” Favorite lines - Finn (or was it Rey?): “Isn’t that impossible?” Han: “I never ask that until after I’ve done it.” A funny touch: scavengers run towards the crashed TIE fighter on Jakku, during the dogfight with the _Millennium Falcon_, almost as soon as it’s stopped tumbling. I could clearly hear Obi-Wan’s “Rey!” (taken, I’ve read, from Alec Guinness saying “afraid” in one of the original trilogy) in her flashback after she touched Luke’s lightsaber. And the fat hand and the voice of the person dragging young Rey away as a ship rose into the sky was, I think, the alien who paid her for her scavenged parts and from whom she stole the _Millennium Falcon_. Captain Phasma really is lame. At least they had the same actress do her startled “Ooof!” as Chewie tackles her. I noticed that Leia comes right up and gives Rey a hug at the Resistance base, with no introduction and no words. There’s a connection there. The next time we see them together, Rey is about to leave to find Luke. I’m sure there’s a missing scene or two there (either for the DVD extras, or in the next movie), and I suspect it will be Leia acknowledging that Rey is her long-lost niece, Luke’s daughter. Speaking of which… R2-D2 reactivates due to, it appears, no particular external stimulus. Could it be that he was running a low-level scan all this time, and “woke up” when either Luke’s lightsaber or child (scanning for Skywalker DNA?) came within range - that is, Rey arrived at the Resistance base? I hadn’t noticed, the first time, Luke’s robot hand when he removes his hood at the end. Tonight I did. Nice touch. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1209 "2016-01-05T03:55:02Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I noticed that Leia comes right up and gives Rey a hug at the Resistance base, with no introduction and no words. There’s a connection there. The next time we see them together, Rey is about to leave to find Luke. I’m sure there’s a missing scene or two there (either for the DVD extras, or in the next movie), and I suspect it will be Leia acknowledging that Rey is her long-lost niece, Luke’s daughter. I read a theory today that Rey isn’t a Skywalker at all, but rather, is Obi-Wan’s granddaughter. I like that idea a whole hell of a lot more than any of the heroes from the last trilogy abandoning their child on a wasteland like Jakku, without even so much as a foster family to look after her. If Rey’s the kid of either Luke or Leia, it’s going to be really hard to sell that without killing most of the affection we have for those characters. > [@](#): > > Speaking of which… R2-D2 reactivates due to, it appears, no particular external stimulus. Could it be that he was running a low-level scan all this time, and “woke up” when either Luke’s lightsaber or child (scanning for Skywalker DNA?) came within range - that is, Rey arrived at the Resistance base? I think R2 was “powered down” so he could devote all his processing power to calculating where Luke might be. He powers back up after seeing the map, and using that to complete his calculations. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1210 "2016-01-05T04:44:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I think R2 was “powered down” so he could devote all his processing power to calculating where Luke might be. He powers back up after seeing the map, and using that to complete his calculations. I thought he was in a robot coma, and no one knew why. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1211 "2016-01-05T04:50:51Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I thought he was in a robot coma, and no one knew why. I know, I know it’s serious. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1212 "2016-01-05T04:57:34Z")
He got better. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1213 "2016-01-05T05:06:31Z")
There were times when I could have murdered him, but you know, I’d hate anything to happen to him. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1214 "2016-01-05T05:25:16Z")
He just lost the will to function. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1215 "2016-01-05T05:34:12Z")
Why is the assumption in some circles that Rey’s lightsaber is Anakins old one? That makes no sense. Why would she hand that to Luke? Wouldn’t Luke say…“Uhhhh I have a lightsaber right here. Thanks.” ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1216 "2016-01-05T05:41:17Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > [Called that one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18969882&postcount=901), although I gave him a generous 18 inches. The giant hologram smacks way too much of overcompensating. He may not actually end up being miniature, but I think at least “small in stature” is almost a sure bet. I have seen speculation that the 1000 year old bartender lady is Snoke. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1217 "2016-01-05T05:49:31Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Why is the assumption in some circles that Rey’s lightsaber is Anakins old one? That makes no sense. Why would she hand that to Luke? Wouldn’t Luke say…“Uhhhh I have a lightsaber right here. Thanks.” It’s not an assumption. They explicitly say, in the film, that the lightsaber used to be Luke’s, and his father’s before him. And the point of her bringing it to Luke isn’t because she thinks he’s lost it, and needs it back. It’s to demonstrate that she’s worthy of being trained to be a Jedi. She’s not giving it to him, she’s _showing_ it to him. It’s her Golden Ticket to being a space wizard. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1218 "2016-01-05T06:34:09Z")
Plus, you know, it was his first light saber. Maybe he wants it back for sentimental reasons, or in case he wants to color coordinate with a different outfit. ---
**Author:** ![Dajn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c2a13f/32.png) [@Dajn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dajn)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1219 "2016-01-05T06:35:25Z")
I had a good time watching this movie. Hollywood being obsessed with shoving diversity down our throat is annoying but other than that I thought it was solid. Han solo should have had a better ending but it’s not like could come up with anything better. ---
**Author:** ![Dajn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c2a13f/32.png) [@Dajn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dajn)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1220 "2016-01-05T06:39:22Z")
And Carrie fisher is absolutely horrendous. She needs to stop smoking five packs a day. I appreciate keeping the original cast but holy shit is she not fit for a billion dollar movie. Do a cgi affect like they did with arnold with the terminator series. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=62)