# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/121 "2015-12-18T20:18:55Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I believe the line about the saber was something like, “It was Luke’s saber, and his father’s before that” Not Vader, not Anakin, just “his father”. But anyone who has obsessed about sci-fi hardware for 30 years would know that it was the one lost on Bespin, just by looking at it. (many of us noticed even in the trailer) 🙂 > > BTW, was anyone a little annoyed by all the “our son” this and “our son” that between Leia and Han, as though deliberately dancing around saying his name, just so it could be the big reveal later? A bit clunky. > > (I will note that it does make more sense to name him after Ben than Anakin, as in the EU, but I was half-expecting they would throw a small bone to the Eu there and have it be Anakin. (just skipping over Jacen and Jaina, unless Rey is Jaina…) “Ben” was a nice surprise.) I watched every SW movie before going to see this one. Trust me, it’s got nothin’ on the Emperor referring to Luke as the “son of Skywalker” in ESB, which was so stilted I almost wondered for a sec if Lucas originally intended for Vader to be lying about being Luke’s father. ---
**Author:** ![vd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@vd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/122 "2015-12-18T20:29:27Z")
> [@joemama24\_98](#): > > Anyone want to theorize on Rey’s lineage? I think she has Skywalker blood one way or another. Her parents leaving her at a young age leave the door open for their identity. Watching the movie, I thought for sure she was going to be revealed as Han and Leia’s daughter, and was guessing Ren was a cloned Luke Skywalker (perhaps created from Luke’s missing hand) or perhaps half-brother conceived before ANH. Daughter of Ezra and Sabine? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/123 "2015-12-18T20:33:14Z")
Jabba and Leia. That’s why Leia thought to give her a motherly hug and Han didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/124 "2015-12-18T20:38:21Z")
I once heard a kid can get conceived by The Force. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/125 "2015-12-18T20:45:46Z")
The lightsaber was the same one Anakin used in EP III. When he tried to flip over Obi Wan on Mustafar and got both legs and his one remaining biological arm cut off by Kenobi. Obi Wan left Anakin on the banks of the lava flow but took the lightsaber with him. Kenobi kept the lightsaber with him until EP IV at which point he gave it to Luke. Luke lost the light saber when his hand got cut off by Vader in EP V during their first duel. Somehow Maz Kanata got a hold of it after that Someone must’ve found it on Bespin ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/126 "2015-12-18T20:49:16Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > The lightsaber was the same one Anakin used in EP III. When he tried to flip over Obi Wan on Mustafar and got both legs and his one remaining biological arm cut off by Kenobi. Obi Wan left Anakin on the banks of the lava flow but took the lightsaber with him. Kenobi kept the lightsaber with him until EP IV at which point he gave it to Luke. Luke lost the light saber when his hand got cut off by Vader in EP V during their first duel. Somehow Maz Kanata got a hold of it after that Someone must’ve found it on Bespin So what you’re saying is that Rey will lose it by getting her hand cut off. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/127 "2015-12-18T20:52:36Z")
No, not at all. I was just trying to clear up who the lightsaber belonged to. It belonged to both Anakin and Luke. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/128 "2015-12-18T20:52:59Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > No, not at all. I was just trying to clear up who the lightsaber belonged to. It belonged to both Anakin and Luke. It was a joke ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/129 "2015-12-18T21:13:07Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Unless that’s TK. They probably can’t use TK on themselves, since Jedi can’t fly. Palpatine fell to his death, in any case. However, they can lift other people. So can two Jedi lift each other and fly through the air? ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/130 "2015-12-18T21:22:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > They probably can’t use TK on themselves, since Jedi can’t fly. Palpatine fell to his death, in any case. Not fly, but leap straight up with impossible speed and height. See Luke in the carbon freeze pit & Obiwan on the ledge under Darth Maul for a few examples. It’s very puzzling that Palpatine fell to his death, but maybe he was taken by surprise and couldn’t react quickly enough? or Luke and/or Vader were pushing him down with the force while he tried to push up? Or whatever magnetic or electrical fields or what have you that were in the pit exerted a pull downward? I dunno… ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/131 "2015-12-18T21:32:44Z")
> [@joemama24\_98](#): > > Anyone want to theorize on Rey’s lineage? Psst: see [post 27](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18947998&postcount=27). ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/132 "2015-12-18T21:40:48Z")
What is with the men of the skywalker line being whingy gits? did ren die when the star killer exploded? I don’t remember him getting away. Interesting sword in the stone thing with the light saber in the trunk. I’m reckoning that Luke somehow found it in bespin. (Hey, lando, the next time you clean out some of the conduits, would you mind looking for a lightsaber?) Interesting bit with Han dying the same way qui-gon did. Unusual red lightsaber though the middle. Really liked bb8. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/133 "2015-12-18T21:44:54Z")
Saw it this morning. It’s not a bad movie, not bad in the sense of EP’s 1-3, more like a good movie in the vein of EP 6. The beats in comparison with the original _ **Star Wars** _ are almost too similar. I shouldn’t be sitting in the audience thinking "Okay, so this will happen in the next scene, this will happen in the scene after that, etc… • Opening with hidden message in droid. • Young (future jedi) person living on desert planet • Bar filled with myriad of aliens with alien band playing music • Empire, I mean New Order with **HUGE** planet blasting gun- **BUT** it has a flaw that can destroy entire structure if small band of rag tag rebels can infiltrate. • Older character that younger character looks up to is killed by bad guy who’s gone over to the dark side of the force. So yeah, we’ve seen this structure before. Not many surprises here either. • They tell us early on that Kylo Ren is Han & Leia’s son • With Harrison Ford getting SOOOO much screen time it’s pretty easy to figure out that he’ll be the one they’ll kill. The only question I have unanswered is, is Rey the cild of Luke’s or could Han & Leis had twins (Kylo & Rey) since in human species, twins do following family trees. ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/134 "2015-12-18T21:51:12Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Psst: see [post 27](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18947998&postcount=27). But that was so 104 posts ago. But thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/135 "2015-12-18T22:35:38Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > did ren die when the star killer exploded? I don’t remember him getting away. Snoke tells General Hux to bring Kylo to him to complete his training, so I assume that’s what happened. > [@](#): > > Really liked bb8. Hopefully he and R2 will get more screen time together in the next one. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/136 "2015-12-18T23:02:47Z")
I’m not a Stars Wars nerd at all but thought I would check it out, unfortunately I ended up in the front row of the cinema and had a balls of a time trying to make sense of the bullshit 3D. Seriously, 3D can fuck right off. But, I actually enjoyed that. I don’t care that its a greatest hits movie, it probably needed to be to wash off the stink of the prequels and now that they have put the train back on the tracks they can do something else in the next films. It felt like a Stars Wars movie, it felt fun, it felt enjoyable and that was the most important thing. And seriously, who gives a toss what age Hans son was. > [@Deeg](#): > > I especially like how Finn goes to help Rey at the beginning and she doesn’t need it Seems that a few people totally missed that scene if they are now wondering how she got so good with a lightsaber so quick. She is well used to kicking ass with a stick, they showed you that. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/137 "2015-12-18T23:13:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Snoke tells General Hux to bring Kylo to him to complete his training, so I assume that’s what happened. > > Hopefully he and R2 will get more screen time together in the next one. I thought that scene was before it all went to pieces. Was it after the planet thingy blew up? ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/138 "2015-12-18T23:15:17Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Seems that a few people totally missed that scene if they are now wondering how she got so good with a lightsaber so quick. She is well used to kicking ass with a stick, they showed you that. There’s a lot of complaining about how she was able to stand to up Ren at the end. To add to your point, Ren had also caught a blaster bolt to the side and 1 (maybe 2, can’t remember) strikes from Finn on the lightsaber before this as well. So, its pretty plausible she was able to overcome him, despite no training. One could also argue she has better mental discipline, which played out in an earlier scene - living alone and independent for so long, not fearful of much, of better character, etc. Jeez I sound like a nerd but I don’t get all the complaining about how she managed to stand up for herself when she had to. I’m a huge Star Wars fan and there is nothing in prior “canon” (whatever that is now) to suggest that this was an implausible scenario. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/139 "2015-12-18T23:24:21Z")
Also, something I’ve mentioned repeatedly in the past: in ATTACK OF THE CLONES, there’s a bit where Jango Fett shoots at a Jedi, who parries blast after blast after blast after – oh, look; one just got past that Jedi’s guard; fight’s over. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/140 "2015-12-18T23:28:22Z")
My guess is that they were going to explain who Rey is related to, but decided not to in the edit. Maybe that’s so Rian Johnson doesn’t have to use that in his movie (he’s directing Episode VIII). He is now open to have her be related to somebody we know or nobody special at all. Having said that, I think it is heavily implied she’s Luke’s daughter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=8)