# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1381 "2016-01-11T16:00:49Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Yeaaaaaaah right. The only two black characters other than Mace Windu with more than one line in the SW universe; they _must_ be related. :dubious: No, because there’s a long history of main characters in SW that turn out to be related to other main characters. Also … Billy Dee Williams has confirmed he will return for the next movie So it’s not an unreasonable bet. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1382 "2016-01-11T16:06:29Z")
Watched it again, with a friend, his kids, and mine; it holds up. 🙂 Just for a refresher, we watched Return of the Jedi before it. It was a Star Wars Sunday. 😃 We all agreed that the new movie was better than RoTJ. Jabba the Hutt was great (particularly that little laughing parasite creature!), but the Ewoks were just so wrong - the kids were all groaning in places at that sequence (just how menacing can the Empire’s Troops be if they can be taken down by primitive teddy bears? No wonder the Empire fell ). In the new movie, the kids were riveted to their seats the whole time. Not a single groanworthy spot. 😉 Some of the sequences were just breathtaking - particular favorite: the downed wreckage on that desert planet. Bad guy armor still seems utterly pointless, though. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1383 "2016-01-11T16:36:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [His real name was FN-2199.](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/FN-2199) He and Finn were squadmates. Finn called him “Nines”. That’s a nice story. Shame it wasn’t in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1384 "2016-01-11T16:37:52Z")
Saw it a couple weeks ago. Originally gave it a C+/B-, but ended up seeing it again with my wife and some friends and I felt it improved a bit on the second viewing. When I first saw it, I think I was in critical overdrive, and skeptical. The second time, I already knew it was fine and was able to relax and enjoy it. The effects and music were top notch, of course. The acting was middling to good. I think that the new characters did the best, and Harrison Ford was the best of the returning cast. Carrie Fisher seemed largely emotionless and flat, though. The writing was fine, but there was a ton of rehash, as nearly everyone has already discussed. I felt that the pacing was a bit off, especially near the end, and I felt no tension at all with the air battle at the Starkiller Base. I like the new characters, and I’m excited to see their new adventures in the coming films. I also really liked how Chewbacca was given more fun things to do than in the original trilogy. He shot Kylo Ren, he brought, set, and triggered the bombs in the MacGuffin building, and he pulled up the Falcon to rescue Ren and Finn. All in all, it’s great to see a decent new Star Wars movie for a change. I just hope they go in some new directions now that they’ve got the “you can relax” maintenance out of the way. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > … > > (Her third-favorite bit: BB-8 giving Finn the thumbs-up.) I interpreted that as BB-8 flipping Finn off for strong-arming him into revealing the location of the Resistance base. Kind of like a “yeah, yeah, I need you guys but we’re not friends.” The position of the flame relative to the torch looked more like a middle finger to me, and the context sealed the deal. Was that really supposed to be a thumbs up? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1385 "2016-01-11T17:48:00Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > …I also really liked how Chewbacca was given more fun things to do than in the original trilogy. He shot Kylo Ren, he brought, set, and triggered the bombs in the MacGuffin building, and he pulled up the Falcon to rescue Ren and Finn… He’s also the only other living being to go with Rey to find Luke. > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > …Was [[BB-8’s gesture] really supposed to be a thumbs up? That’s how I took it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1386 "2016-01-11T18:35:53Z")
Oscar Isaac (hotshot X-wing pilot Poe Dameron) just won a Golden Globe for Best Performance by an Actor in a Mini-Series or a Motion Picture Made for Television, for _Show Me a Hero_: [Show Me a Hero (TV Series 2015) - IMDb](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2492296/?ref=ac_nomw) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1387 "2016-01-11T18:52:47Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Oscar Isaac (hotshot X-wing pilot Poe Dameron) just won a Golden Globe for Best Performance by an Actor in a Mini-Series or a Motion Picture Made for Television, for _Show Me a Hero_: [Show Me a Hero (TV Mini Series 2015) - IMDb](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2492296/?ref=ac_nomw) He had the unfair advantage of having really great chemistry with anyone ever. ---
**Author:** ![txtumbleweed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@txtumbleweed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/txtumbleweed)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1388 "2016-01-12T03:41:20Z")
Finally saw the movie today and enjoyed it. Could nitpick it and think would be cool to have seen Ren turned back to the light and Rey starting steps to the darkside with her un-disciplined use of the force. I really didn’t feel an emotional impact for Han’s death, guess it really didn’t play properly for me. Apparently Han has paid zero attention to the original series so he won’t be getting the blue ghost treatment. Originally posted by [The Brunching Shuttlecocks](http://brunching.com/lukeside.html) > [@](#): > > The fact is that, throughout the three films, everyone Luke meets is completely bullshitting him about the Force. They make up all this crap about Dark and Light and Good and Evil to disguise that there’s only one rule to the Force: die in front of Luke. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1389 "2016-01-12T03:49:18Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > I interpreted that as BB-8 flipping Finn off for strong-arming him into revealing the location of the Resistance base. Kind of like a “yeah, yeah, I need you guys but we’re not friends.” The position of the flame relative to the torch looked more like a middle finger to me, and the context sealed the deal. Was that really supposed to be a thumbs up? Except BB-8 doesn’t need Finn at that point. Finn’s just some random guy who attached himself to him and Rey, and just begged him not to rat him out. He didn’t strong-arm BB-8. He’d need to have leverage over the 'droid to do that, and he doesn’t have any. If BB-8 tells Rey that he’s lying about being in the Resistance, Rey is going to ditch his ass on that sandbox and not look back. So, yeah, it was a thumb’s up. He and Finn are bros, now. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1390 "2016-01-12T05:07:15Z")
Bad lip-reading for SWIV:ANH: ["STAR WARS: A Bad Lip Reading" - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8Z0UOXVaY) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1391 "2016-01-12T06:44:59Z")
> [@txtumbleweed](#): > > Could nitpick it and think would be cool to have seen Ren turned back to the light and Rey starting steps to the darkside with her un-disciplined use of the force. > > I really didn’t feel an emotional impact for Han’s death, guess it really didn’t play properly for me. I saw Han’s death coming a mile away. This is the first movie of a trilogy: Ren hasn’t fallen down far enough yet to be redeemed. So he needed to stay a villain and that meant the encounter with his father was going to end in betrayal not reconciliation. Narratively, they had to get Han out of the story. He had fulfilled his role as providing continuity to the original series and acting as the mentor to the new characters. But if he had remained alive, he would have overshadowed those new characters. Han had to die so Rey, Finn, and Poe could become the main heroes. Finally, Disney accountants may have balked at the idea of giving Ford a second $25,000,000 paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1392 "2016-01-12T06:53:17Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > No, because there’s a long history of main characters in SW that turn out to be related to other main characters. Also … > > Billy Dee Williams has confirmed he will return for the next movie > > So it’s not an unreasonable bet. Long history?..Vader and his kids who are the central characters and… who else exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1393 "2016-01-12T07:02:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Finally, Disney accountants may have balked at the idea of giving Ford a second $25,000,000 paycheck. I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but Ford is in the credits for Episode VIII and it was also confirmed by other sources that he’s going to be in it in some capacity. Probably not going to get paid as much as he will certainly only have some kind of minor role (flashback/vision/ghost/other?), but he’s still gonna get another slice of that sweet Star Wars pie. Anyway, even with the very hefty $4 B pricetag they paid for the rights, they’ve already grossed $1.7 B worldwide on the first movie alone (and I’m sure before it’s out of theaters it’ll even beat Avatar’s gross of $2.7 B). I don’t think they’re gonna be hurting for cash. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1394 "2016-01-12T09:34:57Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > particularly that little laughing parasite creature! Salacious Crumb. It worries me greatly, that I could name him _without looking it up._ ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1395 "2016-01-12T10:41:45Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Anyway, even with the very hefty $4 B pricetag they paid for the rights, they’ve already grossed $1.7 B worldwide on the first movie alone (and I’m sure before it’s out of theaters it’ll even beat Avatar’s gross of $2.7 B). I don’t think they’re gonna be hurting for cash. Especially when you count merchandising. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1396 "2016-01-12T11:36:17Z")
Its not done [that well in China](http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-avatar-china). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1397 "2016-01-12T12:26:10Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but Ford is in the credits for Episode VIII and it was also confirmed by other sources that he’s going to be in it in some capacity. Probably not going to get paid as much as he will certainly only have some kind of minor role (flashback/vision/ghost/other?) Heh. Just picture it: one of the new characters badly needs philosophical guidance, and portentous music starts, and like Kenobi before him the luminous presence of Han Solo steps into the waking world to say _yeah, I, uh, don’t really know what’s going on, here; Luke never mentioned this; um; may the Force be with you, I guess?_ ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1398 "2016-01-12T13:44:14Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > No, because there’s a long history of main characters in SW that turn out to be related to other main characters. Also … > > Billy Dee Williams has confirmed he will return for the next movie > > So it’s not an unreasonable bet. There is also [this speculation](http://www.moviefone.com/2015/11/09/star-wars-the-force-awakens-fans-call-bs-on-finn-spoiler/) that popped up in November. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1399 "2016-01-12T13:52:32Z")
I can’t remember where I read it, it may have been in this thread somewhere, but I kind of like the idea that Lor San Tekka is Rey’s Grandfather, who was supervising her from afar in an Obi Wan Kenobi kind of way, and Rey’s mother is actually the main character from _Rogue One_ (played by Felicity Jones). This is based on nothing but pure speculation, but it appeals to me. ---
**Author:** ![Totenfeier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Totenfeier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Totenfeier)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1400 "2016-01-12T14:05:35Z")
After much mature consideration and speculation, I can now say with assurance that IMHO, it will suck big hairy dangling Wampa oysters if Rey is related to _any_ of the old bunch. Nonetheless, que sera sera, I suppose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=71)