# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1401 "2016-01-12T14:14:10Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > That’s how I took it. > [@Miller](#): > > Except BB-8 doesn’t need Finn at that point. Finn’s just some random guy who attached himself to him and Rey, and just begged him not to rat him out. He didn’t strong-arm BB-8. He’d need to have leverage over the 'droid to do that, and he doesn’t have any. If BB-8 tells Rey that he’s lying about being in the Resistance, Rey is going to ditch his ass on that sandbox and not look back. > > So, yeah, it was a thumb’s up. He and Finn are bros, now. Huh, perhaps I misread that scene. I did think it was surprisingly adult to put an implied middle finger into a Star Wars movie. Still, BB-8 flipping the bird is funnier than him giving a thumbs up, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1402 "2016-01-12T15:19:06Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Still, BB-8 flipping the bird is funnier than him giving a thumbs up, IMO. I think they’re both funny, but the bird really changes BB-8’s characterization in a way that makes him less exuberant and joyful. BB-8 is helping Finn because Finn is finally being straight with him, and he’s a happy little droid who likes honest people. ---
**Author:** ![desertmonk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@desertmonk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/desertmonk)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1403 "2016-01-12T15:45:09Z")
I noticed something that nobody has mentioned. When Han enters the Starkiller base he throws his heavy winter coat down, as if he knows he won’t be needing it again. They leave the base through the same door and Chewie hands it to him. Han looks at him like “I’m not surviving this one, I won’t need this coat”. Or maybe it’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1404 "2016-01-12T18:15:47Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > No, because there’s a long history of main characters in SW that turn out to be related to other main characters. Also … > > Billy Dee Williams has confirmed he will return for the next movie > > So it’s not an unreasonable bet. It would be a rather odd decision for Lando to go from being a Rebel general and leading the charge in the desicive battle against the Empire, to retiring and starting a family in First Order territory. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1405 "2016-01-12T18:27:27Z")
> [@desertmonk](#): > > I noticed something that nobody has mentioned. When Han enters the Starkiller base he throws his heavy winter coat down, as if he knows he won’t be needing it again. They leave the base through the same door and Chewie hands it to him. Han looks at him like “I’m not surviving this one, I won’t need this coat”. Or maybe it’s just me. I don’t recall this. But I do remember noticing that Han is wearing a scarf along with the jacket. I don’t know why that little point stuck out to me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1406 "2016-01-12T18:31:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Yeaaaaaaah right. The only two black characters other than Mace Windu with more than one line in the SW universe; they _must_ be related. :dubious: Heh. Would it throw us out of the movie, or just _be awesome,_ for Lando to meet Finn in the next movie and have someone give him a set-up line to prompt his stunned response that, _no, there’s no reason to think we’re related; why would you even ask that?_ ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1407 "2016-01-12T19:56:39Z")
I don’t know what the spoiler is, only that there is one (or potentially one): Word on the internet is that the Disney Infinity game reveals Rey’s connection/relationship. I don’t know the details (and don’t particularly want to) but a google search would probably yield results for those interested. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1408 "2016-01-12T20:11:55Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I don’t know what the spoiler is, only that there is one (or potentially one): > > Word on the internet is that the Disney Infinity game reveals Rey’s connection/relationship. I don’t know the details (and don’t particularly want to) but a google search would probably yield results for those interested. Not so much so. Some people thought they heard Kylo Ren yell “Face me, cousin!” at Rey, but if you listen closely he’s clearly saying “curses” and not “cousin”. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1409 "2016-01-12T21:44:12Z")
> [@desertmonk](#): > > I noticed something that nobody has mentioned. When Han enters the Starkiller base he throws his heavy winter coat down, as if he knows he won’t be needing it again. They leave the base through the same door and Chewie hands it to him. Han looks at him like “I’m not surviving this one, I won’t need this coat”. Or maybe it’s just me. I thought it was a callback to the ‘_you’re_ cold!’ quip earlier—Chewie wanted to take the coat. Or at least that’s how I remember interpreting it (don’t recall how exactly the scene played out). ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1410 "2016-01-12T22:37:06Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Heh. Just picture it: one of the new characters badly needs philosophical guidance, and portentous music starts, and like Kenobi before him the luminous presence of Han Solo steps into the waking world to say _yeah, I, uh, don’t really know what’s going on, here; Luke never mentioned this; um; may the Force be with you, I guess?_ I like that one. But you know, I was thinking about it, and what if Han _didn’t_ die? What if, as he’s falling down that chasm, a spaceship that happens to be flying through the maintenance shafts below picks him up with a tractor beam to break his fall (hey, it’s Star Wars, why not?). It turns out to be piloted by none other than Han’s old buddy, Lando Calrissian! They immediately begin patching up his lightsaber wounds with the best tech available, which happens to require that he wear a life-supporting suit of black armor (complete with face-concealing helmet) to sustain himself. In order to get more in touch with his son, Han decides to learn the ways of the force, and becomes Vader II in the process. We as the audience don’t see any of this happen, but in Episode VIII, Vader II makes his appearance and quickly rises to prominence in the First Order. Kylo Ren is of course immediately intrigued by the new Vader, and makes arrangements to meet him. In Episode IX, Ren and Vader II finally come to face to face. On another long bridge over a seemingly bottomless chasm (I mean, where else?). Vader II says to him: “Do you remember what happened to your father?” “Yeah of course I do, I killed him,” says Ren. “No, Ben. **_I_ am your father!!!** ” At which point Vader II takes off his mask to reveal that it was actually Han all along. And then he cuts off Kylo’s leg with his lightsaber while Kylo screams the Big No. Yep, that’s how I want to see the series end. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1411 "2016-01-12T22:46:06Z")
Jackets play an unusually large part in this movie, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1412 "2016-01-12T22:48:08Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Jackets play an unusually large part in this movie, for some reason. You just know that someone, somewhere, is busy writing a Master’s thesis on the symbolism of jackets as signifiers of identity based on that … 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1413 "2016-01-12T22:48:55Z")
The next phase in Star Wars merchandising! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1414 "2016-01-12T22:52:17Z")
One question, how come Mark Hamill got second billing, when his actual appearance in the film was a non-speaking cameo? Can anyone think of any other film where this happened? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1415 "2016-01-12T22:54:16Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > One question, how come Mark Hamill got second billing, when his actual appearance in the film was a non-speaking cameo? > > Can anyone think of any other film where this happened? Marlon Brando got top billing in _Superman: the Movie_ for a role that required maybe five minutes of on-screen time. ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1416 "2016-01-12T23:22:19Z")
How come thr bar musicians didn’t play Benny Goodman tunes/ ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1417 "2016-01-12T23:27:37Z")
I think it was a bit longer than that, almost 20 minutes, plus it was a speaking role. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1418 "2016-01-13T00:18:24Z")
Maybe it will turn out that Han Solo was wearing Kevlar, some cosmic type that bends light-saber blades around. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1419 "2016-01-13T01:00:45Z")
One more reason that Oscar Isaac is pretty much the coolest guy around: [Photo: Your internet boyfriend Oscar Isaac made a kid's dreams come true at the Golden Globes](http://entertainment.ie/celebrity-gossip/Photo-Your-internet-boyfriend-Oscar-Isaac-made-a-kids-dreams-come-true-at-the-Golden-Globes/375156.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1420 "2016-01-13T04:19:49Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > You just know that someone, somewhere, is busy writing a Master’s thesis on the symbolism of jackets as signifiers of identity based on that … 😃 Well, there is a #starwarsjacketspeculation hashtag on Twitter.😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=72)