# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1461 "2016-02-19T16:06:47Z")
Yeah, see? The jedi are nowhere NEAR innovative enough with their force powers. “Shoe’s untied.” “No it isn’t. I just…DAMMIT!” Endless, ENDLESS opportunity for creative obnoxiousness. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1462 "2016-02-19T17:35:44Z")
There was a joke on Tumblr or somewhere about how unless Force users can block each others’ telekinetic attacks, then most lightsaber fights would basically be reduced to a really aggressive lightswitch rave. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1463 "2016-02-19T20:50:17Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Yeah, see? The jedi are nowhere NEAR innovative enough with their force powers. > > “Shoe’s untied.” > “No it isn’t. I just…DAMMIT!” > > Endless, ENDLESS opportunity for creative obnoxiousness. Brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1464 "2016-02-19T22:13:46Z")
IIRC, there was a Jedi in the extended universe somewhere who made his lightsabre with the switch entirely enclosed, so it could _only_ be activated using the Force. And I still say that in Yoda’s lightsabre duel, he should have just stood there perfectly still and concentrating, while his sabre whipped around him like it was on amphetamines. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1465 "2016-02-19T22:26:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And I still say that in Yoda’s lightsabre duel, he should have just stood there perfectly still and concentrating, while his sabre whipped around him like it was on amphetamines. I was actually really hoping that’s what Palpatine would do. Going into AotC, we had seen a bunch of jedis fight with light sabres, but the two most powerful, on the side of light and dark, never had. Yoda fighting was, if a bit silly, at least reasonably awesome. That left only Palpatine… and his fight with the three jedi was one of the most underwhelming in the entire series. He should be super-fast, or super-strong, or super-SOMETHING, and instead it’s not remotely clear how he is able to so casually beat two jedi masters. ---
**Author:** ![Totenfeier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Totenfeier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Totenfeier)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1466 "2016-02-19T22:36:00Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I was actually really hoping that’s what Palpatine would do. Going into AotC, we had seen a bunch of jedis fight with light sabres, but the two most powerful, on the side of light and dark, never had. Yoda fighting was, if a bit silly, at least reasonably awesome. That left only Palpatine… and his fight with the three jedi was one of the most underwhelming in the entire series. He should be super-fast, or super-strong, or super-SOMETHING, and instead it’s not remotely clear how he is able to so casually beat two jedi masters. Ummm…probably wrong here, but…Force out of balance? Clouded? Dark Side crescendo? “UN - LIMI - IT - TED… POWERRRRRR!!!” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1467 "2016-02-23T18:32:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > We see Snoke ordering General Hux to flee the planet and take Kylo with him so his training can be completed. It would be an odd directorial choice to include that scene if the intent was that they all died in a supernova several seconds later. OK, that may have been another of those things that flew by too fast for me to catch it. But even then, Kylo’s not right there at their base; he’s out in the woods. So find this guy out in the woods somewhere, and get a spacecraft through the trees to him in time to lift off the planet before it goes kaboom. Maybe he’ll send up a Force-signal to make it easier to find him. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1468 "2016-02-23T18:40:02Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > How long did it take Hitler to rebuild Germany? How long would it have taken Hitler to build up a following if the Germans had won WWI, is more the analogous question. And the First Order didn’t have much time. One of the conversations about Finn’s iffy behavior as a storm trooper mentioned that he, like all the others, had been conditioned from birth. So you’ve got this mammoth army of storm troopers in their 20s, who were all taken from their mothers and conditioned to be storm troopers…_5 years_ after _Return of the Jedi_? Score one for the power of the Dark Side, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![desertmonk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@desertmonk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/desertmonk)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1469 "2016-02-23T18:50:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > How long would it have taken Hitler to build up a following if the Germans had won WWI, is more the analogous question. > > And the First Order didn’t have much time. One of the conversations about Finn’s iffy behavior as a storm trooper mentioned that he, like all the others, had been conditioned from birth. So you’ve got this mammoth army of storm troopers in their 20s, who were all taken from their mothers and conditioned to be storm troopers…_5 years_ after _Return of the Jedi_? > > Score one for the power of the Dark Side, I guess. It isn’t explained in movie but I don’t think it is much of a fanwank to suggest that, in the aftermath of Jedi, that the Empire split into pieces and the First Order is the rump of Empire. Therefore, they didn’t start from scratch. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1470 "2016-02-23T20:00:08Z")
Yeah, there’s a reason they’re still using Star Destroyers, TIE fighters, and Stormtroopers. An organization that huge doesn’t die all at once. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1471 "2016-02-23T20:26:50Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I could see it being more difficult to do to another prepared force sensitive. > > I pick you up! > No, you don’t! > I. Pick. You. Up! > No. You. Don’t! In the Lego Star Wars games, two Force users could only levitate each other simultaneously. You had to co-operate to solve certain puzzles. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1472 "2016-02-28T16:21:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, there’s a reason they’re still using Star Destroyers, TIE fighters, and Stormtroopers. An organization that huge doesn’t die all at once. That or they just phoned in the entire movie. You’d think this franchise could at least afford a new plot. The first ones were fun because of the campy steam punk background. Space ships that looked like WW-II battle ships. Armor and swords out of the middle ages. Giant elephant tanks. It was so stupid it was fun. This has the same old stuff. Storm troopers still wearing armor that wouldn’t stop a raging butterfly attack from killing them. Same laser weapons with 20th century gun sites that still make the pew-pew sound. TIE fighters that for some reason sound like an angry monster from a 1950’s movie. At least the giant ball of death is now 200% bigger with new and improved death ray. Fortunately it still has a weak point that a janitor can exploit and anyone who ever shot a womp rat can destroy. I’m guessing Harrison Ford only agreed to do this movie if they promised to write a script that releases him from future obligations. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1473 "2016-02-28T19:43:13Z")
Steam punk? I don’t think you’re using that term right. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1474 "2016-02-29T03:30:24Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Steam punk? > > I don’t think you’re using that term right. Eh, I can see how it kind of fits. It does have a lot of the style elements of steam punk, although in a sense it’s kind of reversed in concept. ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1475 "2016-02-29T12:33:04Z")
I’m not good with time lines or reading long ass threads Possible fathers possible? Anakin? Qui Gon? And again that damn rolling thingy bugs the shit outta me! Bring back JAR JAR! I love him! :eek::rolleyes::dubious:😃 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1476 "2016-03-01T00:30:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Steam punk? > > I don’t think you’re using that term right. maybe not in the strictest of terms but they clearly used objects from a much earlier time period for their images. The [International Harvester](http://monstersdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/star-wars-foce-awakens-rey-speeder-design4.jpeg) speeder. The [laser crossbow](http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Chewbacca.jpg). The [laser sword](http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Star-Wars-7-Crossguard-Lightsaber.jpg). It was a systematic attempt at making everything retro on some level. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1477 "2016-03-07T21:33:08Z")
Mark Hamill says Luke might be gay. I guess having a crush on your sister could make _anyone_ rethink things… > **[Luke Skywalker Could be Gay, Says Mark Hamill](https://www.aol.com/article/2016/03/07/luke-skywalker-could-be-gay-says-mark-hamill/21324001/)** > > "If you think Luke is gay, of course he is," says the "Star Wars" actor ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1478 "2016-03-07T22:53:13Z")
"In February, Abrams said it’s inevitable for a film in the franchise to include a gay character. " Other than C-3PO? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1479 "2016-03-07T23:30:58Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > "In February, Abrams said it’s inevitable for a film in the franchise to include a gay character. " > Other than C-3PO? He’s not gay. He’s just British. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1480 "2016-03-07T23:49:18Z")
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