# Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645 "2015-12-16T23:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1521 "2016-04-16T20:17:52Z")
Someone said Screen Actors guild says to be an actor in a movie you have to say at least 1 line. Which means Hamill technically did not act in episode 7. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ads95](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5daacb/32.png) [@ads95](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ads95)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1522 "2016-04-16T20:47:59Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Someone said Screen Actors guild says to be an actor in a movie you have to say at least 1 line. Which means Hamill technically did not act in episode 7. 🙂 I think his voice is part of the montage that Rey hears when she touches his lightsaber. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1523 "2016-04-16T21:32:58Z")
> [@ads95](#): > > I think his voice is part of the montage that Rey hears when she touches his lightsaber. I don’t think so, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1524 "2016-04-17T01:44:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t think so, is it? Obi-Wan (young and old) and Yoda, but not Luke, as far as I can determine. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1525 "2016-04-17T02:16:20Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Ok, thanks for expressing the intricacies of your opinion. I now know where you’re coming from. > > Another issue with the film, IMHO, was the fact that the damn thing was a retelling of the original movies. Running away from the empire, looking for droids, into a tavern full of space pirates, into the millennium falcon, and at the end you’ve got the death start v2.0.1beta and you gotta send int he Xwing’s to take out it’s weak spot… I mean, I know they must have done this on purpose, but instead of making me feel like they were paying homage, it just looked lazy. Probably because that’s what they did with the new Star Trek movies too. Maybe not lazy, just afraid to try new approaches. Nah, lets stick with what we know worked last time… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1526 "2016-04-17T15:45:56Z")
As to Rey’s parents, J.J. Abrams says neither of them were in ST:VII, which rules out Luke being her dad: [J.J. Abrams gives a big clue about Rey's parents in 'Star Wars'](http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/15/media/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-rey-parents/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1527 "2016-04-17T15:51:05Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > As to Rey’s parents, J.J. Abrams says > > neither of them were in ST:VII, which rules out Luke being her dad: [J.J. Abrams gives a big clue about Rey's parents in 'Star Wars'](http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/15/media/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-rey-parents/index.html). Thank god. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1528 "2016-04-18T02:30:18Z")
That’s not what he meant, apparently: [spoiler]"What I meant was that she doesn’t discover them in Episode VII. Not that they may not already be in her world,” Abrams said. [http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/15/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-rey-parents[/spoiler]](http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/15/star-wars-force-awakens-jj-abrams-rey-parents%5B/spoiler%5D) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1529 "2016-04-18T03:17:26Z")
Um, yeah, we kind of already knew that much. Unless that interview was from before the movie was released, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1530 "2016-04-18T17:54:56Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t think so, is it? I believe you can hear the “No” scream he made Empire after Vader revealed his identity right at the beginning of the montage. But I don’t know if it was a recording of the old scream or a re recording. Does it count if is the old “No”? ---
**Author:** ![Goofus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7feea3/32.png) [@Goofus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goofus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1531 "2016-04-18T18:26:19Z")
Didn’t JJ Abrams squander all his credibility on the subject of his own movies (“it’s not Khan”)? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1532 "2016-04-19T04:08:42Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > That’s not what he meant, apparently… Well, that’s weaselly… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1533 "2016-04-19T17:55:33Z")
Princes William and Harry, who are apparently fans, visited the set of SW8: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/europe/star-wars-royals-pinewood-set-visit/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/europe/star-wars-royals-pinewood-set-visit/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1534 "2016-04-19T21:13:47Z")
I just rewatched the film on my TV (BD came out yesterday) and I think it holds up well. I still enjoyed it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1535 "2016-04-19T21:18:42Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Well, that’s weaselly… I had no idea Abrams was a ginger… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1536 "2016-04-19T21:32:52Z")
> [@Goofus](#): > > Didn’t JJ Abrams squander all his credibility on the subject of his own movies (“it’s not Khan”)? Wait – _is_ the next sequel “one of his own movies”? I don’t see that he’s the writer or the director of the next installment; Rey’s parents didn’t get revealed while Abrams was at the helm; is their identity _up_ to him? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1537 "2016-04-19T23:31:51Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Rey’s parents didn’t get revealed while Abrams was at the helm; is their identity _up_ to him? That is a good question. He still has some influence, as an Executive Producer, and he did establish the characters, so what he originally came up with may have some sway. But he did say in an interview that Rian Johnson asked him to change a few things to fit in with how he saw his storyline go (and Johnson is also writing episode IX but not directing) so I would take that to mean that any number of details that Abrams had been setting up may not pay off how he’d planned, including parentage of any characters. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1538 "2016-04-19T23:32:13Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Wait – _is_ the next sequel “one of his own movies”? They’re not. Rian Johnson (_Looper_) is doing the next one, and the guy who did _Jurassic World_ has the third. Abrams was a hired gun for the first movie. His involvement in the overall series is minimal. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1539 "2016-04-19T23:44:13Z")
Which, I understand is kind of what JJ Abrams does. He’ll set up a premise, get it rolling, and then go off to another project while someone else takes over. It seems to work. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645/1540 "2016-04-20T10:37:47Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Note that the franchise has been rehashing itself since before some of us were born. See: Sending the X-Wings to hit the planet killing machine’s weak spot, which has only had variations done like four times in the previous six films (Death Star, Death Star II, Super Star Destroyer, Trade Federation Mothership, note that some of these multiples happened in the same film, and I’m leaving out minor examples like a speeder taking down an Imperial Walker). > > Also, the original movies had their fair share of cheesy writing. Like the famous Soap Opera familial reveal plot twist. No, the _other_ one. 😃 Supposedly Harrison Ford once called out Lucas for the terrible dialog he wrote for the original films. It’s not just the re-hashing. I have just received the dvd and re-watched it. The thing that struck me most was the lack of any tension in the film. Whether this is due to the direction or not, I’m not sure. The funniest part for myself and my wife was Han’s confrontation with Ren, who apparently looks just like him. When he took his mask off I expected a “Sorry, my mistake, I was looking for someone else”. In what world does Adam Driver look like Ford? He was also a weak villain, not quite bad enough to make we want Hayden Christensen back, but getting there. Frankly I’m looking forward to Rogue One more then Ep 8. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-force-awakens-seen-it-assume-spoilers-within/740645.md?page=78)