# Star Wars: The Last Jedi - seen it thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441 "2017-12-13T21:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/281 "2017-12-19T21:42:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The thing there is, there is no “overall” story arc. Rian Johnson has been pretty emphatic that Disney gave him no instructions about how he had to resolve anything from TFA, or on anything he needed to put in place for the third movie. And he’s not giving Abrams any notes on how to resolve the stuff that was introduced in TLJ. **They’re making the whole thing up as they go along**. Bolding mine…I thought that was an Indiana Jones line. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/282 "2017-12-19T21:52:37Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Whatever the reason they did it, it’s fantastic art. It was one of the smartest moves ever made in franchise moviemaking. > > Until Snoke dies like a bitch, for a full movie and a half, he’s the Emperor again with exactly the same storyline as the Emperor and Vader. It’s the same tale. And then in one slice our expectations are completely turned around. What the hell just happened? > > It’s a magnificent decision. Kylo Ren’s character immediately becomes WAY more interesting; he’s not just Vader lite. He’s way more badass; Vader only killed Palpatine when he had nothing left. Ren pulled off a slick assassination for his own purpose. It adds depth to his relatlonship with Rey. It allows for far more development in the next movie. It makes “The Last Jedi” truly its own movie in the SW series. It was just awesome. Sold the movie for me. The theater where I saw TLJ? Other stuff got oohs and aahs. Other stuff got laughs. Other stuff got cheers. But _this_ scene, right here? This was the only part where the audience broke into full-on, no-foolin’, _applause,_ in the middle of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/283 "2017-12-19T21:54:01Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The prequels explained the emperor but added other random bad guys that were never fully explained. Its a Star Wars tradition. And the prequels were roasted for it. People still complain about the waste of Darth Maul. At least Dooku had a backstory (even though he explained it in the cheesy, villain exposition dump in front of the immobilized protagonist way) ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/284 "2017-12-19T22:09:06Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > … > > - What was the point of the dark-side hole and the mirror scene? > > - Leia’s force jump was… ugh. Obviously they were going for a crowning moment of awesome, but to me it just looked really goofy. And didn’t make sense for what we know of Leia’s powers - yes, she’s force sensitive, but surviving in space like that is something that should be wayyy beyond her. > > - Killing Snoke halfway through was … odd. I’m not opposed to it (I think it actually works as a great moment) but I’m disappointed that they just offed him without explaining anything. It’s one thing for the Emperor in the original trilogy to just be a dark, backstory-less malevolent figure, that’s his narrative role, the way the story is constructed, he doesn’t need a backstory. But coming after the original trilogy, Snoke needs one, and we didn’t get it. And I’m still wondering where the other Knights of Ren are. > > - Chewbacca, R2 and C3P0 don’t get much to do. R2 is almost “blink and you’ll miss him” category. I know they need to get rid of the old guard of character but there’s got to be a better way to do it. > > … Dark-side hole - I’m curious too. I hope there will be more about this in the next one. Interesting though,tht the Jedi would have chosen that spot for their base. It’s ike ground zero for Force balancing. Leia’s powers were obviously always as strong as her twin’s. But they were in the realm of love/attraction/creation rather than hate/control/destruction. She convinced, gathered, built coalition and consensus. A different use of the Force, but without which there is no rebellion for Luke to defend/support. Snokes - the point of him IMHO was the vision he gave to Rey about balance. And clearly this is also a glimpse into Kylo’s head and motivations. We can assume that Snokes convinced him the same way he tried to convince her. Kylo sees her importance in balancing him. Without R2D2, Luke doesn’t join the battle. Yoda didn’t convince him to go, he helped him see his role. I loved Luke’s line to R2 (Something like, “That’s a low blow”?) And Yoda’s quiet joke " . . . nothing Rey doesn’t already have." I was sure C3PO would turn out to be the needed code breaker. Disappointed with that one. > [@gonzoron](#): > > . . . > And R2’s big moment, dredging up the Leia hologram, was one of the most moving parts of the whole movie, I thought. > > Just thought of one more thing that bugged me, though: The Rose/Finn kiss felt very cliche and unearned. I didn’t see anything approaching love there until she said it. Just seemed like the old trope that a man and woman who spend any significant time together simply _must_ fall in love. 😛 She was starry eyed for him, then disgusted, then knew and really loved him. It’s her arc, not his. And him being Rey’s love interest sets up and interesting love . . .well . . . parallelogram, I guess. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > I haven’t seen it yet, and glad to hear the positive comments. What did you think of _The Force Awakens_? I thought it was mediocre, at best. I would very much like to see a good _Star Wars movie_, but that last one was a stinker, IMO. I thought it was more of a remake of the first movie. An enjoyable bit of nostalgia. My initial review of this one was: It feels like a Star Wars movie, without feeling like the same Star Wars movie. The simple fact of so many people saying they need time to digest it, tells you how really great this one is. I saw it a few days ago and I’m still settling into my thoughts about it. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > He did get Ren to take off that stupid mask, and I think we all owe him a debt for that. Amen. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > If that’s the whole point of the movie, then it makes no sense for her to also be stopping someone from sacrificing himself to save the rebellion, given that we see at least two other people nobly sacrifice themselves to save the rebellion in the very same movie. > > Instead, if the message is “this is how we’ll beat them, by saving what we love” then there should have been a situation where Finn was captive or injured, and the rebel ship was going to escape, and Rose slowed down the escape, risking everyone, in order to save Finn. That would be “this is how we’ll beat them… by saving what we love”. > > Otherwise the rebellion is going to be pretty nonfunctional, when any time someone puts themself in danger on an important mission, their lover bonks them on the head and brings them back. The other side is much too large and well-equipped for them to take out every piece of equipment. That was the whole “Poe” story. Yes, we got a dreadnought, whoo hoo! It was 1/86th of their fleet and required 1/10th of ours to defeat, but oh boy! We got a big fish! It’s not a winning strategy. > [@control-z](#): > > . . . > > I think they seem to be setting up a love triangle between Rey, Finn, and Rose. > > . . . See “parallelogram” above. 😉 > [@muldoonthief](#): > > . . . > 2. She was there a short enough time that she had never seen the lizard/monk/caretaker creatures before that day, when she blasted a hole in the wall of her stone hut. They are Ninja turtles. Tell everyone! 😛 > [@edwards\_beard](#): > > . . . the beam is melting the reinforced door, but not the flimsy ship that was already deteriorating that Finn was in? > . . . > > The biggest thing that is bothering me though is, now that the resistance/rebellion is down to a handful of people, I’ve accepted that they were defeated. I don’t see where the next episode is headed, and frankly, I don’t care. We’ve already seen Rey and Kylo Ren face off, and then fight side by side…so what is the new shocking twist? > . . . It was that ultra-precise piloting trick again. He was keeping the ship just below the beam until he could aim it down the gullet. The next episode, I hope, is based upon the balance aspect of Rey’s vision with Snokes and her adventure with the Dark Force abyss. With her to balance Kylo, perhaps he can wield the power without being corrupted. > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > . . . > > Snoke going out like a bitch was fine too because now we have a Kylo Ren who took a level in badass and is now _the_ antagonist. Snoke wasn’t really interesting in either movie and was a huge jerk to Kylo in any case – liken him to the Emperor but at least Palpatine had a decent onscreen relationship with Vader. Palpatine was the big bad but he didn’t spend all of his time talking down on his subordinates like Snoke did. Snoke was just another “Just like before but MOAR!” that Abrams put in _Force Awakens_ to be an analogue of Papatine but only bigger and eviler. > . . . People keep saying this, but they showed us exactly what the dynamic was. Snokes offered Kylo exactly what he gave Rey, a deep and intense understanding of the Force. And Snokes thought he owned Kylo’s mind, but in fact he had no idea what Kylo was actually thinking, a part of his mind and strategy was still very much his own. He just needed to conquer his desire for “Fatherly” approval, now that he realized his attempt to switch Fathers still wasn’t going to gain it for him. Now it’s Rey’s approval he wants, and that will make all the difference. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/285 "2017-12-19T22:28:06Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > The other side is much too large and well-equipped for them to take out every piece of equipment. That was the whole “Poe” story. Yes, we got a dreadnought, whoo hoo! It was 1/86th of their fleet and required 1/10th of ours to defeat, but oh boy! We got a big fish! > > It’s not a winning strategy. Agreed on much of the rest. Just this part though, they sacrificed more than 1/10 of the fleet to take out that dreadnaught. They lost their entire bomber squadron. And the whole casino world wasn’t just a waste of time, it ended up being a terrible idea. The order would not have known about the escaping transports, or the planet they were going to, if they had not been captured and their “codebreaker” turned. Poe’s decision there wiped out another 80% of the remnants of the rebels (from 31 transports to I counted 6 when the guns stopped), plus getting the base destroyed, along with another good chunk of the rebellion. Poe may be a good pilot, good at flying around and blowing stuff up, but his strategic decisions have resulted in abject failure and a near complete destruction of the rebellion. He should be put in the brig, and only brought out when piloting skills are what will win the day. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/286 "2017-12-19T22:30:22Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > It was that ultra-precise piloting trick again. He was keeping the ship just below the beam until he could aim it down the gullet. Ultra precise? From what we’ve been shown, it was the first time Finn had ever flown anything. At the beginning of The Force Awakens, he broke Poe out because he needed a pilot to escape. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/287 "2017-12-19T22:34:17Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > Ultra precise? From what we’ve been shown, it was the first time Finn had ever flown anything. At the beginning of The Force Awakens, he broke Poe out because he needed a pilot to escape. I think that beam was just warming up. After he was knocked out of the way, a pulse travelled down the beam, punching the hole in the door. If he’d been hit by the pulse, I think that would have been Fin for Finn. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/288 "2017-12-19T22:35:27Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > What the fuck happened to Luke at the end? He just willed himself to vanish? Too much exertion from astrally projecting himself to distract Kylo Ren? The second, I’d guess; Kylo does tell Rey that it’s not her making their mutual projection stuff happen, that would destroy her. Doesn’t explain how Snoke can do it mind, but there is a bit of an explanation. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/289 "2017-12-19T22:46:01Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > The second, I’d guess; Kylo does tell Rey that it’s not her making their mutual projection stuff happen, that would destroy her. > > Doesn’t explain how Snoke can do it mind, but there is a bit of an explanation. Well, _does_ Snoke do that? He doesn’t project himself across interstellar distances; he links two other people. You could fig-leaf that as being less tiring. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/290 "2017-12-19T22:51:14Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, _does_ Snoke do that? He doesn’t project himself across interstellar distances; he links two other people. You could fig-leaf that as being less tiring. And they could only see each other (maybe luke saw them together, I don’t remember for sure, but that’s different anyway). Luke appeared to hundreds of people all at once. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/291 "2017-12-19T23:05:30Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And they could only see each other (maybe luke saw them together, I don’t remember for sure, but that’s different anyway). > > Luke appeared to hundreds of people all at once. It might’ve been cool had there been one henchman among the bad guys who was force-resistant (i.e. he was a member of Watto’s species) who said “I don’t see anybody. What the hell is everyone shooting at?” ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/292 "2017-12-19T23:20:26Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > The other side is much too large and well-equipped for them to take out every piece of equipment. That was the whole “Poe” story. Yes, we got a dreadnought, whoo hoo! It was 1/86th of their fleet and required 1/10th of ours to defeat, but oh boy! We got a big fish! > > It’s not a winning strategy. That’s a nonsensical comparison. In the first example, the dreadnought posed no immediate threat, Poe decided that they should destroy it purely to weaken the first order going forward. In the second case, as far as anyone knows, that single gun is the difference between immediate defeat for everyone and being able to hold out more-or-less-indefinitely. Finn wasn’t trying to sacrifice himself just to weaken the First Order in some hypothetical future. He was trying to sacrifice himself to save the life of everyone in the resistance and improve their odds of survival/success from 0% to some%. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/293 "2017-12-19T23:21:26Z")
How’s this for crazy. At the end of Episode IX, Rey and Kylo stop their swordfighting and say “Maybe we can join together and end this destructive conflict” There’s stormtroopers and First Order tech for the military/security, experienced Imperial Officers can be administration (figuring they’re educated leaders). Likely doing a better job that the 15 remaining rebels. There’s now no Snoke pulling evil Dark Side strings. No Luke say Light is always the better side. I thought of this remembering a novel called “Death Star”, where it focused on average joes working the Death Star. There were contractors, restaurant owners, professional military gunners, architects, etc. Then about 3/4 of the way through, Lucas must’ve read a draft and reminded the author “Remember, the Empire is EVIL”. Then suddenly, the main characters decided to join the Rebellion. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/294 "2017-12-20T00:04:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It might’ve been cool had there been one henchman among the bad guys who was force-resistant (i.e. he was a member of Watto’s species) who said “I don’t see anybody. What the hell is everyone shooting at?” It would be like the Christian character in [Erik the Viking](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097289/). ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/295 "2017-12-20T01:33:45Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > If they go back on Snoke’s death and Rey’s parents in the next movie it would seem too disjoined, in my opinion. Like there were dueling directors “Here’s what’s happening in my movie.” “Well, here’s what’s going on now.” “Not so fast, that stuff that happened before didn’t happen because this happened like that instead.” Thing is, I kind of think that’s exactly what Rian Johnson was doing, quite intentionally. To be honest I feel like I get a hint of actual, intentional disrespect towards JJ Abrams in a lot of the things Johnson did (and… don’t get me wrong… I’m cheering Johnson along here. I was okay with TFA but no more than okay). And my opinion of Abrams is low enough\* that I would not be at all surprised if he just doesn’t do takesie backsies in one form or another. \*It’s funny, I enjoy a lot of his films, I just have no _respect_ for them. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/296 "2017-12-20T01:56:46Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Thing is, I kind of think that’s exactly what Rian Johnson was doing, quite intentionally. To be honest I feel like I get a hint of actual, intentional disrespect towards JJ Abrams in a lot of the things Johnson did (and… don’t get me wrong… I’m cheering Johnson along here. I was okay with TFA but no more than okay). This is what I was listing somewhere. Ways Rian Johnson seems to indicate he did not enjoy the Force Awakens much. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/297 "2017-12-20T02:03:55Z")
I viewed more as Episode VIII was saddled with a lot of baggage that had to be dealt with from Episode VII. I don’t follow all of Abram’s stuff, but the thing I keep thinking about is Lost (That’s him right?). Season 1 of Lost was fantastic, lots of neat mysteries and stuff. But Season 2 clearly showed that it was all bullshit. He had no idea what he was doing or where he was going. That’s what I think about with The Last Jedi. It had to deal with many half open boxes from The Force Awakens, and I think The Last Jedi does a good job of it. To a degree a cold efficiency was needed. That is to say, I don’t think it was necessarily intentional disrespect and more of a I need to clean up all these threads! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/298 "2017-12-20T02:12:27Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > That is to say, I don’t think it was necessarily intentional disrespect and more of a I need to clean up all these threads! I agree this is mainly it and I like that he decided to take all of Episode IX’s climaxes and bascially move them into Episode VIII. Snoke? Defeated. Phasma? Defeated? Luke? Dead. ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/299 "2017-12-20T03:24:50Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Dark-side hole - I’m curious too. I hope there will be more about this in the next one. Interesting though,tht the Jedi would have chosen that spot for their base. It’s ike ground zero for Force balancing. That’s the old explanation for the Jedi-in-hiding: they hid near strong natural dark-side sources so they’d be harder to sense. > [@](#): > > The other side is much too large and well-equipped for them to take out every piece of equipment. That was the whole “Poe” story. Yes, we got a dreadnought, whoo hoo! It was 1/86th of their fleet and required 1/10th of ours to defeat, but oh boy! We got a big fish! > > It’s not a winning strategy. Except if he hadn’t done that, they’d all have died as soon as the hyperspace tracking happened - the mega-guns would have been powerful enough to kill the cap ships even at range. And almost all the surviving combat pilots died and fighters destroyed when the hanger got blown up before they could launch. > [@Frylock](#): > > Thing is, I kind of think that’s exactly what Rian Johnson was doing, quite intentionally. Best example was ditching the stupid “red arm” sidetrack. ---
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re: Snoke being killed by Kylo To me I kind of saw it coming, when they were discussing enemies. I am not sure at what point it occurred in the movie, but I was thinking, that he saw that no, his real enemy was not Rey, but Snoke himself and later, when the time came, he killed him. To me that was a great resolution to the relationship between the two that I felt was set up correctly. //i\ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=16)