# Star Wars: The Last Jedi - seen it thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441 "2017-12-13T21:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/361 "2017-12-22T02:25:14Z")
The bombs are magnetic. But, yeah, don’t get too hung up on the physics of STar Wars, it’s just a movie convenience for coolness’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/362 "2017-12-22T03:19:50Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > The bombs are magnetic. But, yeah, don’t get too hung up on the physics of STar Wars, it’s just a movie convenience for coolness’s sake. 🙂 I didn’t intend for that to be my biggest takeaway here, I just got briefly hung up as the remote control tipped back and forth on the ledge. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/363 "2017-12-22T03:27:39Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Who needs an insider? Just bring back an aging actress who could still play spymaster. Granted, to get the information, _some_ Bothans are going to die… Don’t reignite my EU obsession by hinting at Winter. Just don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/364 "2017-12-22T03:29:45Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I will say, when Rey went into the black hole to figure out her parents and got the hall of mirrors plus frosty-mirror Rey, my first thought was that they were trying to say in some heavy-handed way that Rey is a clone. But I have no idea where that would fit into a canon I have very little knowledge of. If she wanted to see her parents, but is shown herself, doesn’t that make her a self-made man? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/365 "2017-12-22T03:34:05Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I will say, when Rey went into the black hole to figure out her parents and got the hall of mirrors plus frosty-mirror Rey, my first thought was that they were trying to say in some heavy-handed way that Rey is a clone. But I have no idea where that would fit into a canon I have very little knowledge of. I think Johnson was just subverting the echo of the tree-cave scene from Empire, when Luke went into the tree to confront Vader, killing him and having his mask crack open to reveal…Luke. Since Johnson had decided that Rey really came from a bunch of nobodies, it didn’t have the same meaning, but it wasn’t meant to. It was only meant to make us THINK it had a similar meaning. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/366 "2017-12-22T03:54:26Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I think Johnson was just subverting the echo of the tree-cave scene from Empire, when Luke went into the tree to confront Vader, killing him and having his mask crack open to reveal…Luke. Since Johnson had decided that Rey really came from a bunch of nobodies, it didn’t have the same meaning, but it wasn’t meant to. It was only meant to make us THINK it had a similar meaning. Or it did. The literal request was for the wall to show Rey her parents, but the wall instead showed her instead the answer to the deeper question of who made her, who is responsible for who and what she is. Yes, self-made. That’s not trite. Not the same meaning but a similar sort of one and more in resonance with the themes of this trilogy: heroes and Jedis are not genetically created; they are potentiality more democratically distributed. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn1767](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shawn1767](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shawn1767)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/367 "2017-12-22T04:10:40Z")
Also, to the people arguing that Kylo was just messing with Rey about her parents to get her to join him: his argument would’ve made sense no matter WHO her parents were. “Luke is your father and he abandoned you on Jakku to a junk dealer and never went back for you!” “You’re secretly my sister and Han and Leia abandoned you on Jakku and never went back for you!” “You’re the granddaughter of Obi Wan Kenobi and they NEVER went back for you!.. etc.” So, yeah, I think she was just born to nobodies. Otherwise. you could use any parent abandoning her on Jakku make her pissed off. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/368 "2017-12-22T04:18:02Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > The bombs are magnetic. But, yeah, don’t get too hung up on the physics of STar Wars, it’s just a movie convenience for coolness’s sake. They don’t have to be magnetic. When the bomb racks are released, the bombs are subject to the bomber’s artificial gravity field. Once they’re outside of the gravity field, momentum takes over and they continue on their trajectory until acted upon by an outside source. Or at least until they explode. > [@DSeid](#): > > Or it did. The literal request was for the wall to show Rey her parents, but the wall instead showed her instead the answer to the deeper question of who made her, who is responsible for who and what she is. Yes, self-made. That’s not trite. > > Not the same meaning but a similar sort of one and more in resonance with the themes of this trilogy: heroes and Jedis are not genetically created; they are potentiality more democratically distributed. This. Rey thought that learning who her parents were would tell her something important about herself, and her place in the universe. The cave’s vision was trying to tell her that the answers to those questions could only be found inside of herself. Actually, come to think of it, it could be literally telling her, “If you want to know who your parents are, look inside yourself.” “Know Genealogy” is apparently a pretty common Force power. Luke was able to recognize the truth in Vader’s paternity claim by “searching his feelings.” Later, he figured out that Leia was his sister the same way. The cave might literally have been saying, “Don’t ask me. You’re a Jedi. Search your own feelings.” This is also why I think Kylo Ren was telling the truth when he told her about her parents. She’s not just taking his word at it: she searched her feelings, and was able to sense the truth in what he said. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/369 "2017-12-22T06:01:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > They don’t have to be magnetic. When the bomb racks are released, the bombs are subject to the bomber’s artificial gravity field. Once they’re outside of the gravity field, momentum takes over and they continue on their trajectory until acted upon by an outside source. Or at least until they explode. I won’t argue gravity acting on the bombs. I WILL argue it acting on some of the blasts during the hour long chase scene. I saw at least one laser blast curl back “down” to the cruiser. THAT one annoyed me. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/370 "2017-12-22T07:08:52Z")
I finally got round to seeing it, having managed to avoid spoilers beforehand. I went in with low expectations, but I was pleasantly surprised. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I’ll be seeing it again soon. I’m not a Star Wars fanatic, but I saw the original _A New Hope_ about 10 times when it first came out in 1977, and loved _The Empire Strikes back_ even more. _Return of the Jedi_, not so much. The prequels… blaahh. I never even bothered to get into the details of the plots, and never watched any of them more than once. _Force Awakens_ - an uninspired rehash, _Rogue One_ - just okay. But… I really liked _The Last Jedi_. I’m not particularly bothered by minor inconsistencies. I liked the characters, and I liked the fact that it wasn’t predictable. Several times I genuinely didn’t know what would happen next, and it surprised me. The porgs were on screen too briefly to be irritating (but no doubt Disney will make a fortune from the stuffed toys). The casino planet could have been skipped, but I think it will feature in future movies. The boy shown at the very end who can use the force is obviously a set up for a future major character. Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Mark Hamill were all outstanding. I’d say that it’s the best Star Wars movie since ESB. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/371 "2017-12-22T07:40:27Z")
Relatively poor movie. There’s only so much suspension of disbelief you can manage in a 2.5 hour time frame. I thought that they tried to be much too cute about what they were doing. I won’t even begin to get on their case about the idea that they can travel to some distant planet on impulse drive only; I long ago gave up hope of science fiction movies understanding the idea of how far apart things are in space. It’s not prequel bad, but it’s not particularly good. It’s almost like they are poking fun at themselves, now. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/372 "2017-12-22T08:37:45Z")
The Prequels actually tried to tell a different story. TFA was copy-paste of ANH. This while less of a full on retread, incorporates elements from ESB and a bit of ROTJ. Now that JJ Abrams is back incharge, expect EpIX to basically BE ROTJ. I can just see it. _Star Killer base Mk2, run by the conflicted Kylo Ren, is defeated by a small strike team lead by our heros, with the support of Not!Ewoks, who look just like Ewoks, only uglier and cuddlier._ ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/373 "2017-12-22T08:43:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This. Rey thought that learning who her parents were would tell her something important about herself, and her place in the universe. The cave’s vision was trying to tell her that the answers to those questions could only be found inside of herself. > > Actually, come to think of it, it could be literally telling her, “If you want to know who your parents are, look inside yourself.” “Know Genealogy” is apparently a pretty common Force power. Luke was able to recognize the truth in Vader’s paternity claim by “searching his feelings.” Later, he figured out that Leia was his sister the same way. The cave might literally have been saying, “Don’t ask me. You’re a Jedi. Search your own feelings.” People are very down on the Dark side, yet every time people go into the dark side caves all they get are good, solid life lessons. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/374 "2017-12-22T11:22:03Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The Prequels actually tried to tell a different story. TFA was copy-paste of ANH. This while less of a full on retread, incorporates elements from ESB and a bit of ROTJ. > > Now that JJ Abrams is back incharge, expect EpIX to basically BE ROTJ. I can just see it. _Star Killer base Mk2, run by the conflicted Kylo Ren, is defeated by a small strike team lead by our heros, with the support of Not!Ewoks, who look just like Ewoks, only uglier and cuddlier._ I agree with all of this, although I think I may have liked TLJ more than you imply you did. I worry JJ will move the course back towards safe retread. There is a rumor he was brought back for exactly that reason because high ups at Disney were a little unnerved by TLJ. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/375 "2017-12-22T13:03:26Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > People are very down on the Dark side, yet every time people go into the dark side caves all they get are good, solid life lessons. It’s true, in fact the Dark side is generally more honest in this universe than the Light (except for maybe Yoda). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/376 "2017-12-22T13:24:48Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > I finally got round to seeing it, having managed to avoid spoilers beforehand. > > I went in with low expectations, but I was pleasantly surprised. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I’ll be seeing it again soon. > > I’m not a Star Wars fanatic, but I saw the original _A New Hope_ about 10 times when it first came out in 1977 (Nitpick) The movie you saw in 1977 was called “Star Wars.” > [@](#): > > The boy shown at the very end who can use the force is obviously a set up for a future major character. I certainly do not think so, and very certainly hope not. Rian Johnson was all but standing in front of the camera screaming his point; “the Force doesn’t belong to anyone.” He had Luke say that literally, and Rey’s not being part of the Skywalker dynasty is an important point. The boy picking up the broom wasn’t meant to tell us he’s an important character. It’s meant to tell us that there’s Force users everywhere, and, like the Resistance, there are sparks of hope everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/377 "2017-12-22T13:47:44Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > The boy shown at the very end who can use the force is obviously a set up for a future major character. Is he? I thought he was just an example of the Force users around the galaxy that have always been there. I doubt we’ll see him specifically again. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/378 "2017-12-22T14:01:20Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > - When Rose’s sister is trying to free the bombs…why are things falling? How do they fall to the dreadnought? Why do ships start falling when they blow up? Which way is down in space? A visual conceit going back many decades. Humans equate falling with loss of power and rising with increase, right? There’s no logic to it. It’s a silent visual cue. Additionally, with no major gravitational bodies nearby, a carpet bombing on ONE side of the craft- the “top” surface- would in fact shove the craft downwards because of, you know, [Newton’s Three Laws of Motion](http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~blackman/ast104/newton3laws16.html). I would guess that while that massive ship would in scientific fact be “shoved down” by the force of the explosions, that motion would be remarkably slow and would take quite a bit of time to be noticed. I always assumed the bombs were being ejected. Though in thinking about how it was shot, they sure looked like pinballs dropping out of metal chutes. Not workable, physics-wise !! As to the O.P. : I loved it. It’s got flaws. ALL of them have flaws. It’s the movies. Sit down, wallow in the suspension of reality and dig into it. I saw “Star Wars” in a theater in Philly about 5 months after it opened. ( It was still doing land-office business at that point. Incredible ). As a die-hard Star Trek fan, I really didn’t want to love it but as it lasted and lasted I figured I should go see the thing. A few days ago, sitting in a theater off of Union Square in NYC, the words floated onto the screen [A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/a9/A_long_time_ago.png/revision/latest?cb=20161210162311) and I got chills. I love movies. One of life’s great indulgences is throwing away belief in reality and just diving in. Dissecting the minutae, I get it. I do. As a cinematographer of the last 38 years, I’ve got a rather intimate understanding of much of that minutae. Doesn’t ruin a movie one bit for me. If it WORKS, it works. [Knowing how the opening Star Destroyer shot from “Star Wars” was accomplished](http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/254425/star-wars-examining-a-new-hope-s-classic-opening-shot) doesn’t make it less enthralling. This film worked. Life is messy. That particular galaxy is messy. I plan to see it again in the coming weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/379 "2017-12-22T14:12:49Z")
What a dumb, silly movie. I’m surprised at how much love it’s getting from Dopers. Pretty much every plot point was a ham-fisted device for furthering character “development” or setting up fake tension in the audience. Like: Astral-Luke was creating a diversion so the rebellion could escape via a previously-unknown back door. Wouldn’t it have been a good idea for him to tell someone this? He relied on dumb-ass Poe to figure this out? Rose saves Finn by…crashing her ship into his? Sure, that’ll work great. And how did they all learn to fly those rust-buckets so quickly? Gravity bombs? In space? Seriously? Ugh. Additionally the bomb bay doors were open to space with no apparent affect on Paige Tico (in a wasted cameo by the lovely, kick-ass Veronica Ngo). I don’t care if it was a homage to WW II movies, it was too stupid. There was a good movie buried somewhere under all that silliness but it was too hard to find. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/380 "2017-12-22T14:26:03Z")
Not that Star Wars movies are accurate science fiction, but… I mean, every one of those things has happened in every Star Wars movie. Bay doors seemingly protecting people from space but allowing matter to pass through? In every Star Wars movie, including the first one. Flying things without previous experience? Common as hell. They give Luke an X-wing fighter in “Star Wars” and he’s never flown one before. They barely know who he is. Gravity bombs… actually this part makes sense. Things fall towards a gravity well if they don’t have an artificial gravity source. They’re above a planet; something without the ubiquitous Star Wars anti-gravity technology will start falling towards the planet unless it’s at sufficient orbital velocity, and they do not appear to be in an orbit. Why bother with orbits if you have cheap antigravity? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=20)