# Star Wars: The Last Jedi - seen it thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441 "2017-12-13T21:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/21 "2017-12-15T09:18:20Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I think the reveal about Rey’s family was awesome because it was built up so much and it turns out they were nobodies. JUST LIKE YOUR PARENTS TOO! We can all be Jedi!! Woo! But they were important - they were important to Rey. All this time we thought we were getting mythology, but instead we were getting character development. Plus, Kylo telling her “Your parents were nobody. You’re nobody. But not to me.” was, on some weird level, the most romantic scene I’ve seen all year. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/22 "2017-12-15T09:35:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But they were important - they were important to Rey. All this time we thought we were getting mythology, but instead we were getting character development. > > Plus, Kylo telling her “Your parents were nobody. You’re nobody. But not to me.” was, on some weird level, the most romantic scene I’ve seen all year. Her parents may be nobody, but in no way can Rae herself be described as nobody. She has force potential to match Ren and he’s supposed to be top banana in terms of force power. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/23 "2017-12-15T09:40:53Z")
The misspelling of names in this thread is driving me bananas. Rey Poe Kylo Finn Leia Rose Snoke Hux DJ Luke Holdo ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/24 "2017-12-15T09:50:57Z")
I think you mean “Hugs”. General Hugs? With an H? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/25 "2017-12-15T10:26:16Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I think you mean “Hugs”. General Hugs? With an H? HA! That scene set the pace for the film right away. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/26 "2017-12-15T10:28:33Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Am I missing something about Rae’s parental reveal? OK so her parents were low life drunks. Why is everyone raving about it? I’d say it ties into the general theme that wars aren’t won or lost by Big Damn Heroes with important destinies and that not everyone has to be special to make a difference. Before Luke was the son of Vader, he was just a farmhand from a backwoods planet. Finn isn’t anyone special - just a Stormtrooper who made a choice. Rose is a tech worker who’d probably have died with the fleet if she hadn’t gotten a chance to make a difference. Rey isn’t some lost relative of someone important - just an orphan girl who had an opportunity to do something that matters. You don’t have to Be Somebody; you just have to Do Something. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/27 "2017-12-15T15:00:35Z")
Which is summed up with the slave boy at the end. I might have missed it, but did he use the force to get the broom to fly over to him? Awesome movie. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/28 "2017-12-15T15:21:44Z")
I have to say I’m surprised by the near-universal acclaim here. My feelings were decidedly more mixed. 😕 I’ll be seeing it again on Sunday with my family, so maybe a re-watch without my expectations clashing with the movie will let me see it differently. But at first viewing, I liked it substantially less than TFA. I do like that story-wise, they tried something different, and that it wasn’t TESB re-tread. But if feel like it really could have used one more editing pass, at the script phase. A few lines here or there could have really cleaned some things up. Problems I had: - Snoke. WTF? He’s a dark side force user the likes of which we’ve never seen, and now he’s gone, and we still know nothing about him. I’ve seen the crack theories, and he doesn’t have to be a secret Palpatine apprentice, or Darth Plageous, or Jar Jar, but C’mon! some backstory please! How did he rise up out of nowhere, and take over the remnants of the Empire? How did he turn Ben to the dark side? How did Ben even meet him? Did he sneak into Luke’s Jedi training camp at night? Talk across the stars like Kylo and Rey do? Luke sees that Ben is completely corrupted by him, but why? how? Say what you will about the prequels, but at least we got to see Palpatine slowly worm his way into Anakin’s life, and tempt him with the empty promises of what he most wanted. - Poe vs. Purple-hair Laura Dern for no good reason. OK, I get it, a point was made about false heroics vs. true heroics. And what Poe did in the first battle was pretty darn stupid and got a lot of people killed. He damn well should have been smacked down for that. But what was the point to keeping the cloaked transport scheme a secret? It’s not like Poe was a First Order spy or something. By keeping him in the dark, they all but guaranteed a mutiny. Then when they found out about Rose’s and Finn’s plan, they acted like Poe was a traitor for even trying it. How was the fleet harmed by trying an alternative that could have saved more of their people and ships? (OK, in the end, they were worse off due to DJ’s betrayal, but that wasn’t a known issue going into the plan.) A bit of talking instead of posturing, and they could have worked out some plans together and saved more lives. - DJ. yuck. I have never seen Benecio Del Toro on screen and not immediately wanted to shower, and while I hoped this would be an exception, it’s not. He just really rubs me the wrong way, but even with another actor in the part, I’m pretty sure this would be my 2nd most hated character in the saga. (Fode/Beed having a lock on #1 in perpetuity) At least Lando was a charming betrayer. - The whole casino planet, BTW, looked like a CGI-fest that stepped out of the Prequels. Very jarring in tone, and not in a good way. It was also really odd that a ship could just leave the fleeing fleet for a bit and pop back, (unnoticed, too!) yet the First Order couldn’t do anything to catch up, like… maybe jump to lightspeed for a bit and surround them? - Knights of Ren? anyone? no? ok, we’ll just forget about them, then. - So all this seems to happen within just a few days after the end of TFA, right? How did the First Order regroup so quickly, after their devastating losses at Starkiller Base? Suddenly, they are large and in charge and the Resistance is on the run. Really? And even so, the First Order is starting to seem like the Kylo and Hux show, when in TFA it felt much more vast and menacing. - Phasma. Totally wasted. Worse than Boba Fett. Solely there to give Finn a badass moment. - Speaking of badass. “Bigass door”? really? - While I was pleasantly surprised to see Yoda, and to see him looking very Muppet-y again, something seemed off. I don’t know if it was a puppet or CG this time, but somehow they’ve never captured the classic charm he had in TESB and ROTJ any time since. (not to mention, why was this the (apparently) first time he’d appeared to Luke in 30 years? Could have used some of that advice before this point, buddy.) - Maz. She seemed shoe-horned in, and why couldn’t she give like, a _name_ for her code-breaker, instead of cryptic clues? I thought she was supposed to be helping, here. (And are we ever going to find out how she got that lightsaber?) OK, I think I got most of it off my chest. There was a lot to like in there too, but most of it’s been covered. For the record, I do like: Rey’s parentage reveal, Luke’s ending, Leia finally using the Force, Rose, the message that it’s not all about the Chosen One doing big flashy things and blowing stuff up, the Porgs (Bad Chewie! don’t eat them!), some of the visuals (though I would argue that TFA and Rogue One have TLJ beat there), most of the banter (though some felt misplaced, it was better than than the dearth of humor in most of the Prequels). ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/29 "2017-12-15T15:28:04Z")
> [@polar\_bear](#): > > When Luke was doing his astral projection bit on the salt flats (and indeed, retroactively the feet and lack of prints was a give away) he was using his blue light saber… the one Rey had taken and which was split in two between her and Kylo Ren (We see the green Return of the Jedi saber in the flash backs when Luke wants to kill Ben). It makes sense that Luke didn’t know about the destruction of the blue saber… but you would have expected that Kylo Ren might have noticed Luke was fighting him the saber he saw being annihilated. I’m pretty sure that saber had a different (red?) hilt. Luke would have known that Rey had his old saber, so he wouldn’t have duplicated it, lest it give away the illusion. (For all he knew, she could have been right there next to him with it.) Would have been nice to see the green one, but it seems that one got lost/destroyed during the flashback battle. The last time we see it, I think, is when Ben force-pushes Luke into the rubble. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/30 "2017-12-15T16:50:24Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Which is summed up with the slave boy at the end. I might have missed it, but did he use the force to get the broom to fly over to him? > > Awesome movie. I thought I saw that too. It flew to his hand. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/31 "2017-12-15T17:55:14Z")
Saw it last night at a midnight showing, first time I’ve done that but man that’s the way to see Star Wars! A huge room full of fans clapping and cheering at everything! I loved it! I had read and seen \*nothing \*about the film going in and I was surprised that I was legitimately \*surprised \*by lots of it and did not see things coming! Luke’s ruse at the end totally had me fooled even though I noticed the focus on Kylo Ren’s red footprints immediately, I did not catch the reasoning behind it! I really thought when Leia was blasted into space that that was her death scene, so again was surprised when she survived! I guess that was to show she could use the Force as well to pull her back? I loved the porgs, I want one! ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/32 "2017-12-15T18:10:01Z")
Another few things I didn’t like: -There were at least three major sequences where all hands were on deck, and if we don’t win _this battle right now_, the Rebellion is crushed. That’s like 2 too many. By the time we were on Hoth II for the really final battle of the movie I mean it, I had used up my suspension of disbelief for the movie all ready. How can the First Order be so shitty at its job, and yet have apparently the massive power that it does? I was rooting for them to win there at the end, because their time has got to have come, right? It’s almost comical how often the floor gets mopped with the blood of First Order failures in this movie. -The opening battle was pretty cool. But the speed of those bombers? Really? They were moving at bicycle speed. Through space. -The “badder the baddie, the bigger the spaceship” thing is getting ridiculous. Star Destroyers? Huge! Super Star Destroyers? Even huger. Resurgent Star Destroyers? Even bigger and badder (this was, I think, the class of ship that fired the big guns on the Rebel base at the beginning of the film). But think that’s big? The Mega Star Destroyer is, aparently, 60 kilometers wide! But, fear not; all of these ships are all basically equally invincible and equally vulnerable. Just like all these asteroid/moon/planet mega weapons. Just gotta find the one spot where Smaug’s got a missing scale, and the whole thing goes kablooie. Over and over again. -Way too much exposition dialogue. And “here’s the moral of the story” dialogue. Case in point. When Kylo Ren tells Rey that her parents were nobodys. I can’t quote it, but it’s basically, “They were nobody.” (ok, cool!) Just like you’re a nobody! (right, thanks for drawing the line for me there) Therefore, you should want to join me, because everyone else abandoned you and thinks you’re worthless, but not me! (oooh, really? I didn’t get the point, thanks for clarifying :rolleyes:)." It does not make for good/realistic dialogue, nor for good movie-watching. Or, the what felt like endless dialogue variations on “hey, the people have the power!” “We don’t need legends, we need every day people taking action right now!” Which, I mean, is an awesome part of the story and part of the Star Wars, um, cannon of themes? It’s why we love Luke. And Han. They’re just these guys, you know. Just like Rey and Finn and Rose. But just show it. I don’t need the characters to repeat loudly and frequently “we are the people! We have the power!” Just be it. The movie shows it quite well, the characters can take a break from interpreting the movie for me if they want to. Also, my least favorite scene: Luke “I’mma burn down the library! RAARRR!” Luke, 3 seconds later, “Nah, guess not.” Yoda, “Lemme burn that for you!” Luke, “BUT THE BOOKS!” Yoda, “You don’t even know how to read, chill bro. Get her wisdom from the streets, she will.” Luke, “You’re so wise. Why did I ever doubt you?” Yoda, _thumbs up to the camera!_ Man, after waking up and thinking on it more, the less I liked this movie. Or rather, I liked it a lot, but the writing/dialogue is really inconsistent throughout, and the pacing/plot is too jumbled. ---
**Author:** ![pnschofield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@pnschofield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pnschofield)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/33 "2017-12-15T18:20:21Z")
I’m not really clear on why Laura Dern led the First Order on the six-hour OJ-in-his-white-Bronco impulse-speed chase rather than just jumping straight to the destination: Crait. She lost all but one of the rebellion’s ships by dragging out the chase. ---
**Author:** ![Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrogance_ex_machina/32/192_2.png) [@Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogance_Ex_Machina)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/34 "2017-12-15T18:22:22Z")
Yoda said something along “those books have nothing that Rey does not already possess” and a later scene briefly showed that she had the books aboard Millenium Falcon so burning down the empty library was of no consequence. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/35 "2017-12-15T18:29:40Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > -Way too much exposition dialogue. And “here’s the moral of the story” dialogue. Case in point. When Kylo Ren tells Rey that her parents were nobodys. I can’t quote it, but it’s basically, “They were nobody.” (ok, cool!) Just like you’re a nobody! (right, thanks for drawing the line for me there) Therefore, you should want to join me, because everyone else abandoned you and thinks you’re worthless, but not me! (oooh, really? I didn’t get the point, thanks for clarifying :rolleyes:)." It does not make for good/realistic dialogue, nor for good movie-watching. Worse than that, I thought, was when he said something like, “you’re not part of this story.” A little too 4th wall winky-winky for me. > [@pnschofield](#): > > I’m not really clear on why Laura Dern led the First Order on the six-hour OJ-in-his-white-Bronco impulse-speed chase rather than just jumping straight to the destination: Crait. She lost all but one of the rebellion’s ships by dragging out the chase. I think I’ve got this one. The point was for everyone else to sneak off the main ship under cloak and land on Crait, without the First Order noticing, while the now-empty main ship continued onwards as a decoy until they blew it up and went home. If they jumped straight to Crait, it would have been obvious, and therefore pointless. Without DJ’s betrayal of the cloaked ships, it was actually a decent enough plan. ---
**Author:** ![pnschofield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@pnschofield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pnschofield)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/36 "2017-12-15T18:47:43Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I think I’ve got this one. The point was for everyone else to sneak off the main ship under cloak and land on Crait, without the First Order noticing, while the now-empty main ship continued onwards as a decoy until they blew it up and went home. If they jumped straight to Crait, it would have been obvious, and therefore pointless. Without DJ’s betrayal of the cloaked ships, it was actually a decent enough plan. This is where I’m confused. What’s the difference between traveling to Crait under impulse power vs. hyperdrive with regards to revealing their intention? Why was it less obvious under impulse power? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/37 "2017-12-15T18:51:58Z")
Front and center, I’ll say that the things I liked far outweighed the things that bugged, and while it’s still, for my money, not as good nor as tightly constructed as ROGUE ONE, it’s significantly better than FORCE AWAKENS. FA’s best aspect was that it introduced engaging new characters (w/one major exception) while still doing justice to the old ones, but the storytelling was woefully derivative. This time, the characters are back (and the one terrible one–Hux–far less annoying) and the plotting is smart, unpredictable, and gutsy. That makes for a superior experience overall, even though there’s still a bit of bloat. The irritations–not necessarily minor, per se, but not dealbreakers either: - Really loved the surprise demise of Snoke and his design in “person” was better than I expected, but that does mean that he was just another Darth Maul (on a grander scale), there to play the heavy without any insight into how he became the Supreme Leader or how he mastered the Force in the first place. - FORCE AWAKENS’s environments never felt like all the terrible Ep 1-3 CG/green screen landscapes, but the Monte Carlo-like casino world here did. The fact that this was a plot tangent that proved genuinely gratuitous and unnecessary didn’t help. The best thing about it was the opportunity it gave to meet Rose, which could’ve been done countless of other ways. - Kids. Star Wars may ostensibly be made for kids, but it’s always been terrible at depicting them. They weren’t in the original trilogy but the less said about the Jake Lloyd posse and the awful younglings, the better. FA didn’t have any but here, their intrusion may be minor, but still sappy and ham-fisted, especially that last regrettable shot. This also helps make Planet Reno Vegas a fizzle. - Leia pulls a Spock. I know she’s got the Force in her blood (though never trained), but pulling off that Space Ice Capade struck me as really absurd and something even a Jedi Master would have a hard time pulling off. But she’s up and about almost instantly after that. Luke was stronger in the Force and took more time recovering from a Yeti kiss. So while I wouldn’t call those nitpicks, the weight of things that worked for me unexpectedly–the Rey/Kylo conversations, Luke’s darkness and Yoda’s cameo, the throne room twist & battle, the salt crystal planet details, BB8’s disguise and the multi-porgs, Laura Dern (silly dress notwithstanding)–more than made up for it. Now, they still have got their work cut out for them for Ep9. Luke’s dead, but so is Leia (for all practical purposes). The final Kylo vs. Rey conflict will be a doozy, but the Rebels are so winnowed down to nothing, they really have their work cut out for them in wiping out the First Order in one more film. I don’t envy them that, and am guessing (because Johnson is the best director of this third trilogy) that this will be the peak of the final 3. We’ll see. Final Assessment: Ep 5 \> 4 \> 3.5 (R1) \> 8 \> 6 \> 7 \> 3 \> 1 \> 2. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/38 "2017-12-15T18:55:20Z")
> [@pnschofield](#): > > This is where I’m confused. What’s the difference between traveling to Crait under impulse power vs. hyperdrive with regards to revealing their intention? Why was it less obvious under impulse power? Once Finn and Rose were captured and the plan revealed, nothing. But they had some kind of cloaking device techno something something that was keeping the shuttles hidden. The secret was blown by the codebreaker guy, so the cloak was removed (I admit to not quite catching the details of how that happened). I don’t think that those escape shuttles even had hyperdrive to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/39 "2017-12-15T19:02:29Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Some thoughts: > > 1. This was possibly the most beautiful-looking SW movie yet. Luke’s island, the salt flats, the Akira-Kurosawa-by-way-of-Fritz-Lang throne room fight - it was just a joy to look at. The cruiser turning around and speeding up was gorgeous. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/40 "2017-12-15T19:07:12Z")
I’m surprised no one is second guessing Kylo’s explanation of Rey’s parents. Everyone is just going to take his word for it? No one thinks it was a ruse of “Look, your parents were nobodys. Nobody cares about you. But I care about you, come join me.” They already did it with the original Star Wars. Where’s your father Luke? Uh, he was killed by Darth Vader see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=3)