# Star Wars: The Last Jedi - seen it thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441 "2017-12-13T21:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/641 "2017-12-29T19:13:29Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I wrote a better Star Wars sequel when i was 14 than George Lucas produced, I’m sure I could write a better one now, **having written 14 SF novels** 14 SF novels? Any of them published, or just fanfic? (Not that I’m doubting your word, of course. ;)) ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/642 "2017-12-29T19:23:43Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > says the guy with the most posts in this thread… > > I suggest you re-read the thread then, because you are way off. Can you cite one of my “personal attacks”? You not liking what I said does not constitute a personal attack. Calling me a snowflake and skirting the rules about calling someone a troll on the other hand are. Also “I’m calmer than you are” dude. Except I didn’t call you a snowflake. And I didn’t call you a troll, either. I did imply you were engaging in trolling, because you seem to be dead set on personally attacking me rather than addressing the subject. That’s not an attack, it’s an accurate assessment of your posts. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/643 "2017-12-29T19:24:58Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > 14 SF novels? Any of them published, or just fanfic? > > (Not that I’m doubting your word, of course. ;)) None of them are fanfic. All of them are published except the latest, which is still being edited. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/644 "2017-12-29T19:29:32Z")
Shit all over Luke’s character?? These complaints are being written by people in their twenties who have not put enough decades under their belt to look back and realize that they are in no way the person they were 20 years ago. It is a natural progression of a person maturing and looking back and considering what they’ve done and looking ahead. It was not Leia’s moment to die, so she didn’t die in outer space. It was his moment to die floating a few inches above that rock. And so he did. Life is change. You don’t want Luke’s to change? Drop in the first VHS release of “Star Wars” and put it on autorepeat. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/645 "2017-12-29T19:34:37Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Shit all over Luke’s character?? > > These complaints are being written by people in their twenties who have not put enough decades under their belt to look back and realize that they are in no way the person they were 20 years ago. > > It is a natural progression of a person maturing and looking back and considering what they’ve done and looking ahead. > > It was not Leia’s moment to die, so she didn’t die in outer space. > > It was his moment to die floating a few inches above that rock. And so he did. > > Life is change. You don’t want Luke’s to change? Drop in the first VHS release of “Star Wars” and put it on autorepeat. > > Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk I personally don’t agree that it shit all over Luke’s character, I was just saying that’s what the complaint was, not that it was “too different.” I LIKE what they did with Luke, and honestly I didn’t mind his ending, although I would have preferred if he had been there physically. I liked nearly all the scenes with Luke, Rey and Kylo-Ren and Snoke. It was everything happening with Finn, Rose, Poe, Leia and Holdo that brought the film down for me. It kind of felt like someone else wrote that whole section of the film. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/646 "2017-12-29T19:47:36Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Except I didn’t call you a snowflake. And I didn’t call you a troll, either. I did imply you were engaging in trolling, because you seem to be dead set on personally attacking me rather than addressing the subject. That’s not an attack, it’s an accurate assessment of your posts. So no actual cites of a personal attack from me then? Just more assertions? I will stipulate that it was in fact an imaginary voice in your head that called me a snowflake, but I don’t really think that improves things. And implying trolling behavior is certainly a personal attack. The overall hostility of your posts is also pretty evident. Oddly everything you are accusing me of would seem more appropriately directed back at yourself. At any rate, by all means lets get back to discussing the movie. So was there anything at all redeeming about it in your mind? Anything positive? What about the Ren/Rey battle team up in the throne room? I thought that was pretty cool, and set up some interesting potential for them in the next episode. I think both are light/dark conflicted, but obviously pulling in opposite directions of the spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/647 "2017-12-29T19:50:53Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > So no actual cites of a personal attack from me then? Just more assertions? Just trying to make you feel more at home. But yes, you abandoned discussion of the film to state outright I was dismissing everyone else’s opinion because I expressed a different one. That’s pretty much the definition of a personal attack on me. Go hunt down your own first post at me if it’s that important to you. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/648 "2017-12-29T20:13:40Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Just trying to make you feel more at home. But yes, you abandoned discussion of the film to state outright I was dismissing everyone else’s opinion because I expressed a different one. That’s pretty much the definition of a personal attack on me. Go hunt down your own first post at me if it’s that important to you. Wow are you so wrong about this. I suggest you take your own advice and reread our entire exchange. Here is a hint, start at my first post in the thread #489. You then replied to someone agreeing with that post of mine. I then replied to you in post #493 with a link to the plot holes in the OT since you mentioned that you are a fan of stories that make sense and are internally consistent. You never replied to this. Then in post 581 I replied to your post 577 starting with “Look, I respect your opinion on the film” and nothing in that post could possible be confused with a personal attack. I wrote a long paragraph disagreeing with your comment about everything being back to status quo at the end of TLJ. You didn’t reply to that either. So I began our exchange by making substantive posts about the movie that you ignored repeatedly. I made it clear that I respect your opinion at every point along the way, in fact one of my main points was that everyone’s opinion should be respected. Yet I am the one that ignored discussing the movie to personally attack you? It was the other way around. The thread clearly shows this. ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/649 "2017-12-29T20:15:13Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Cool, now explain all of these: > > [https://screenrant.com/star-wars-original-trilogy-plot-holes/](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-original-trilogy-plot-holes/) Well, I’ll give it a go: 15) Luke was never all that good at force-lifting stuff. We see him lift a lightsaber, then while training with Yoda, himself and a few small rocks, then once they get to Endor, C3PO. That’s it. 14) EVERYBODY slipped past that blockade - possibly because that one Imperial guy was out of position and got disabled. The only ship that had trouble was the Falcon, and that’s because its hyperdrive was on the fritz. 13) “Imperials screw up” isn’t a plot hole. Even if the plans were on the escape pod, they could just recover them. Assuming the gunners knew what they were there to do in the first place. Also, the Empire didn’t like to rely on droids (we only see them using the interrogation bot, the mouse droids, the probe droids and one bounty hunter) so overlooking them shouldn’t be surprising. 12) No e-mail. Uh, yeah - instantaneous inter-solar video chats no problem, everything else was by courier. Weird world-building is not a plot hole. And e-mail didn’t exist in the 70s, the author is showing his (lack of) age. 11) Did the author pay any attention? Hyperdrive is significantly faster than no hyperdrive. And instant interstellar communication. Not a plot-hole. 10) Emperor over-reliant on his visions. Also, he did keep details secret - like the fleet being present, and the Death Star being functional. 9) Hey he may actually have a point here. Possibly Luke doing the whole “forseeing” thing that eventually gets Vader and the Emperor killed. Still, overcomplicated plan is not quite the same as a plot hole. 8) Does the Death Star’s laser work on gas giants? Guess the author knows better than the scriptwriters. 7) OK, so the author must have completely missed that interstellar travel without a hyperdrive takes a long time. His ADD doesn’t mean there’s a plot hole. 6) Ditch them where, exactly? Was she just going to hop out an airlock and hitch a ride? Han wasn’t going to let her out of his sight till he got paid. 5) This one’s pretty good. Except a non-functional hyperdrive wouldn’t be immediately obvious. The ship not being able to launch would be. 4) A plot hole introduced 20+ years later in a prequel is not a plot hole in the original movie. 3) Gee, the hero of the day got press. And the emperor made the not-so-huge leap of logic (or, possibly, investigated) that “Luke Skywalker” was the nephew of Anakin’s only brother. No indication he knew jack about Leia, until the throne-room scene in ROTJ, despite the author’s claim. Must be a plot hole, right? 2) Welcome to an adventure movie, not a psychiatry lecture. 1. He’s actually got something of a plot hole finally! And Leia being Luke’s backup if he died at Cloud City makes perfect sense…unless she needed to I don’t know, NOT be a prisoner herself, which was likely if he didn’t go. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/650 "2017-12-29T20:16:33Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Wow are you so wrong about this. Of course, of course. That must be it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/651 "2017-12-29T20:23:09Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Of course, of course. That must be it. :rolleyes: Yet another completely unresponsive reply to a substantive post of mine. So nothing else to say about repeatedly mischaracterizing my contributions to the thread? About me completely proving your assertions wrong about how I we initially engaged each other in this discussion? About unjustly accusing me of trolling behavior? All you have is a rolleyes emoji? Wow ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/652 "2017-12-29T20:25:47Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Yet another completely unresponsive reply to a substantive post of mine. Substantive? Substantive? REALLY? ROFLMAO! Okay man. I’m sorry, I apologize, I kept going with you after I said I wouldn’t answer anymore, just because you’ve been so very funny. I love you. (The proper response is: I know.) ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/653 "2017-12-29T20:37:37Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Cool, now explain all of these: > > [https://screenrant.com/star-wars-original-trilogy-plot-holes/](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-original-trilogy-plot-holes/) Did you actually read what these are? There is maybe one legitimate plot hole…but just looking at the first one, I don’t think the person that wrote this watched the movies… The plot hole is that in Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Han to grab his lightsaber during his battle with Jabba’s guards. OK Didn’t happen in the movie. He did ask later on Endor, but even then it doesn’t make it a plot hole. … Quickly scanning the rest… Leia didn’t email the Death Star plans to Yavin once she got them from the Bothan spies? Leia and Luke didn’t mourn who they lost long enough? Obi Wan didn’t consider Leia to be a Jedi? Seriously? This is the list of plot holes you’re asking to be refuted? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/654 "2017-12-29T21:09:19Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Also, why the fuck did the Rebel ships start floating backwards towards the First Order ships when they ran out of fuel? The ships are constantly accelerating. When the rebel ship runs out of fuel, it is no longer able to accelerate and it continues at a constant velocity along its original path. Meanwhile, the FO ship is continuing to accelerate and therefore catch up to the rebel ship, giving the impression that the rebel ship is drifting backwards compared to an accelerating reference point. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/655 "2017-12-29T21:22:34Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Shitting on Luke’s character? That is \*not \*what I’ve read, either in this thread or the dozens of online “articles” complaining about TLJ, as the primary complaint. It’s mostly that it’s too different from what they expected (no Snoke backstory! Rey’s a nobody! Snoke dies! RJ ignored all of JJA’s set-ups!) Others may have made those complaints, but if you look at my strong criticisms of the movie, literally none of them are on your list. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > You want different? From everything I’ve read, Disney is going to be totally changing how we will get our Star Wars stories going forward. I think I read somewhere that an exec said that if all goes according to plan, no one alive today will be alive when they finally produce the final Star Wars movie. How do you get “different” from that? To me, it just confirms what I said: they will keep copying/reheating the same meal and cashing it in over and over and over, as a cornerstone of the corporate bottom line. > [@Airbeck](#): > > Is I’ve mentioned several times in this thread and provided a link to, there were numerous plot holes on the original trilogy as well. That you chose to ignore all of those plot holes and enjoy those movies, but cannot look past any in this movie says more about you than about the movie in my opinion. I have a hard time taking seriously the opinion of anyone who loves “the original trilogy” because RotJ was so bad. ESB has some cringeworthy retcons itself. But I cannot think of any plot holes in the original film as a stand-alone story, which is how I am going to present it to my younger children. > [@Smapti](#): > > When they do more of the same (TFA), fanboys complain. > > When they do something different (TLJ), fanboys complain. > > I’ve realized ever since the release of The Phantom Menace that there’s a certain percentage of the Star Wars fanbase that will complain no matter _what_ the producers give them, but will keep watching and complaining anyway. > > Disney’s job isn’t to cater to them. I sincerely don’t understand why people keep saying TLJ is so different. It’s a lot of ESB with some RotJ and “ANH” sprinkled in. > [@Quimby](#): > > I think what the fundamental issue is is that Star Wars is just not “big” enough creatively to support what Disney would like it to do. As good as it is, it isn’t designed to sustain dozens of movies and stories unless you: > > 1. Keep repeating the same beats over and over coasting on nostalgia (which is not going to last forever) > > or > > 1. Make it something vastly different with some familiar visual cues which will disappoint huge swaths of the audience. This is a great point. #2 would be better, but probably would arouse ire. > [@Airbeck](#): > > So have you changed your mind about the OT then, and now view those movies as terrible too? Or are you using a different standard for evaluating the new Star Wars movies? > > Because to me it sounds like you are being unfair if you are being far more critical of this movie just because you aren’t the same age as you were when you saw the originals. There are plenty of 10 year olds that are going to see these movies now, and having a similar experience that you did at that age. Are they wrong for enjoying the movie? Fair point. I am tempted to go Danny Glover and just declare that I am getting too old for this shit. > [@wonky](#): > > I’m just saying that I’ve seen all of the films except the third of the prequels and I wasn’t thrown out of the film by plot holes at all. D’oh, you skipped the wrong prequel! IMO it and “Rogue One” are the only good Star Wars films released since 1980. > [@RikWriter](#): > > Of course, that’s not even addressing why Vice-Admiral Purple Hair waited until half the Rebels had been killed before she rammed the enemy. Oh crap, another great question! D’oh. Unfortunately, the answer seems to be that the Johnson worked backwards from “Movie ends with only enough rebels left to escape on the Falcon.” So the opposite of plot armor but just as annoying. > [@RikWriter](#): > > Also, why the fuck did the Rebel ships start floating backwards towards the First Order ships when they ran out of fuel? I understand they want to make things look like WWII, but naval ships in WWII didn’t capsize and float backwards towards the enemy when they ran out of gas. It doesn’t happen to airplanes either; they run out of fuel and they glide. It sure as hell doesn’t happen to spaceships; they just keep going the same direction they were going at the same velocity they were going, they just stop accelerating. So WHAT was he trying to make them behave like? It’s like there was a black hole back there drawing them in, it looked really damned stupid. You are wrong on this one. All the ships with fuel were accelerating. Ones not accelerating would appear to drift backward. However: 1. If the rebel ships were faster, they should have been able to steadily increase their distance from their pursuers, not just maintain it. 2. Why couldn’t the First Order use hyperspeed to get ahead of the rebels? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/656 "2017-12-29T21:28:37Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Substantive? > Substantive? REALLY? > ROFLMAO! > Okay man. I’m sorry, I apologize, I kept going with you after I said I wouldn’t answer anymore, just because you’ve been so very funny. I love you. (The proper response is: I know.) Dude, I completely destroyed all of your claims about my behavior in this thread with post citations and everything. _Proved_ that you were the one that refused to reply to the discussion at hand and started with the personal stuff. Including two posts full of content on the movie discussion at the start of our exchange that you completely ignored. You are showing your ass and making yourself look like a complete fool. But keep digging that hole if you must. I’d be amused as well if it wasn’t all so sad. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/657 "2017-12-29T21:32:00Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > Seriously? This is the list of plot holes you’re asking to be refuted? I’m afraid you missed the point. My claim is that people are criticizing the new Star Wars movie with a rigor that if applied to the OT would show some issues as well. That some people are having a tough time viewing the old movies and the new movies in the same light. That list was an illustration, not any kind of proof about anything. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/658 "2017-12-29T21:45:44Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I’m afraid you missed the point. My claim is that people are criticizing the new Star Wars movie with a rigor that if applied to the OT would show some issues as well. That some people are having a tough time viewing the old movies and the new movies in the same light. That list was an illustration, not any kind of proof about anything. No, I didn’t miss the point. And your claim sucks. You were begging him to respond to your list of plot holes. Some of us did, and they aren’t plot holes. The Last Jedi, has some really huge valid plot holes. The list you gave lists things that are completely invalid. Their first plot hole is confusing two parts of the movie. Yes, Luke asks Han to grab his light saber, but it isn’t during the skiff battle, it’s on Endor. And Han wasn’t blind when he was asked. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/659 "2017-12-29T22:01:53Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > No, I didn’t miss the point. And your claim sucks. You were begging him to respond to your list of plot holes. Some of us did, and they aren’t plot holes. The Last Jedi, has some really huge valid plot holes. > > The list you gave lists things that are completely invalid. Their first plot hole is confusing two parts of the movie. Yes, Luke asks Han to grab his light saber, but it isn’t during the skiff battle, it’s on Endor. And Han wasn’t blind when he was asked. Look some people hated TLJ, some people really liked TLJ. I’m not saying its a perfect movie, but I do think some people are being critical toward TLJ in a way that would also show some issues with the OT if they honestly viewed them in that same light. You obviously disagree. What I don’t get is the emotion here. I was begging? My claim sucks? This is an internet message board thread about a science fiction/fantasy movie, why are some people getting so heated about this? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/660 "2017-12-29T22:06:35Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > This is an internet message board thread about a science fiction/fantasy movie, why are some people getting so heated about this? You are funny! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=34)