# Star Wars: The Last Jedi - seen it thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441 "2017-12-13T21:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/101 "2017-12-16T19:56:58Z")
So Rey’s vision of Kylo not bending to Snoke was correct in shape but the devil was in the details. Turning to the Light side he did not. How about Kylo’s vision of Rey turning to stand with him? We know these visions will be literally correct, but like the twists on wishes to a genie, they won’t turn out exactly how they were expecting. How will this one end up playing out? FWIW (and no mega fan of the franchise here) good not great. Enough has been said about the pacing. This movie was mostly saved though by both having some humor and by a few actors who actually inhabited the characters and brought them to life with believable conflicted relationships between them (completely missing in Ep 1 to 3). Oscar Issac’s Poe a bit of a miss. Harrison Ford he aint. Fisher’s Leia also felt flat. And astral projections - have mass or not? Apparently yes, but then why no red footsteps? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/102 "2017-12-16T20:38:44Z")
They don’t have mass - instead, they can fool people into thinking they have mass. A visual, aural and tactile illusion. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/103 "2017-12-16T21:13:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And astral projections - have mass or not? Apparently yes, but then why no red footsteps? I wonder about ghosts, too. Yoda hit Luke with his cane in this movie. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/104 "2017-12-16T21:13:27Z")
I liked it. I liked it quite a bit more than I was expecting. I liked that it wasn’t predictable and all the rehash stuff was minor. E.g. “Death Star cannon” doesn’t get blown up. My thoughts drift to the upcoming Star Wars land at Disneyland and Disney world(official name: Star Wars galaxy’s edge). They double downed on the blue milk, but I’m not sure if I want to drink something milked out of whatever that was. If disney doesn’t provide red salt at the Star Wars land restaurants I will be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/105 "2017-12-16T22:14:39Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The cruiser turning around and speeding up was gorgeous. Most effective use of silence I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/106 "2017-12-16T22:17:33Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Thank. Not sure how I missed it. My wife clearly saw it and saw the other slave boys react to it (in an oh wow what did he just do sort of way). > > Anybody can harness the force. Half expected him to zoom off on it to play quidditch. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/107 "2017-12-16T22:22:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > How about Kylo’s vision of Rey turning to stand with him? We know these visions will be literally correct, but like the twists on wishes to a genie, they won’t turn out exactly how they were expecting. How will this one end up playing out? I figured that the two of them joining forces to fight Snoke’s bodyguards was the fulfillment of that vision. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/108 "2017-12-16T22:24:11Z")
> [@Quercus\_alba](#): > > Most effective use of silence I’ve ever seen. It was a great theatrical experience moment. We could hear people gasping/holding-breath/nervous-giggling, etc. When it happened, I held my wife’s arm and said, “That was awesome.” I think this movie will rise in my estimation the more I see it. I hesitated to rank it or judge it too much initially. I need to see it 3-5 times more to evaluate it and that will wait for the Blu-ray(April 18, I have heard). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/109 "2017-12-16T23:42:22Z")
Saw it today. Loved it. Crazily fun. My highlight, by far, was the double twist of the throne room; absolutely one of the best Star Wars moments ever. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/110 "2017-12-16T23:59:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > When it comes to “light speed”, I’ve basically resigned myself to the notion that that phrase means something completely different in the Star Wars universe than it does in real life. According to ANH, the Millennium Falcon has a top speed of 1.5 lightspeed In “Star Wars,” what Solo says is “she can make point five past lightspeed.” What that means is anyone’s guess. You’re assuming it means 1.5C, but it could have any number of meanings as a term of art in that galaxy. It could be an expression of engine power, quantum warping, who knows. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/111 "2017-12-17T00:14:27Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Saw it today. Loved it. Crazily fun. > > My highlight, by far, was the double twist of the throne room; absolutely one of the best Star Wars moments ever. Yeah, this is the part I most look forward to seeing again. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/112 "2017-12-17T00:17:16Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > So here is one thing I didn’t like, though it was probably unavoidable: > > Early on, the light-speed “last charge” was heavily telegraphed. “They only have fuel for ONE MORE JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED. That’s right, JUST ONE JUMP. Did you hear me? EXACTLY ONE JUMP, NOT TWO JUMPS! Except they have an FTL tracker, so we CAN’T ACTUALLY JUMP.” > > So we are clearly headed straight for a light-speed ramming, which will be the baddest ass thing since Battlestar Galactica did an FTL air evacuation straight into the atmosphere of New Caprica. > > And of course, Carrie Fisher has left us (RIP). I expect her death will be depicted in this movie. So OF COURSE she will be awarded the most AWESOME BADASS SUICIDE CHARGE EVER. Single-handedly destroying an Imperial Star Destroyer at LIGHT FUCKING SPEED! I LITERALLY CANNOT WAIT! > > But no. They give this honor to… Laura Dern? Laura F’ing Dern? And meanwhile General Leia goes out gently into the sunset, looking worried, dispensing motherly advice and fondling Han’s old dice or whatever. Really, they couldn’t have made some time in the first 2 hours of the film to take care of all that sentimental shit? > > Disappointed, I was. > > So somebody had to die, and it was Luke Skywalker, who did not die in real life and is still alive (true story) and totally could have died early in the next film. > > I don’t get it, but I guess I don’t have to get everything. It seems they’d already shot all of Fisher’s scenes when she passed on, so it would have been to expensive to work it into this installment. > > Still and all, I enjoyed it. Maybe enjoyed it more than the last one, even. I won’t mind seeing it again with my kids in a couple of weeks. The movie was finished before Carrie Fisher died. How were they suppose to change it at that point? another CGI Carrie? most people didn’t seem to like the one from Rogue One. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/113 "2017-12-17T00:22:18Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Two Star Wars action figures I want: the big red robot seen in passing in _The Force Awakens_ and whatever the hell that thing was that Luke milked in _The Last Jedi_. Yeah, I meant to mention that. You know what I never thought there were enough of in Star Wars? Alien milking scenes. … No, actually, zero was plenty. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/114 "2017-12-17T00:26:24Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Saw it today. Loved it. Crazily fun. > > My highlight, by far, was the double twist of the throne room; absolutely one of the best Star Wars moments ever. I like when Rey force-grabs Luke’s lightsaber but Snoke takes control of it and bops her on the head with it before pulling it back. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/115 "2017-12-17T00:30:13Z")
I don’t mind that Rey’s parents were nobody important who sold her off for juri juice. The knights of ren never showed up, but maybe the imperial red guard is what they morphed into during production. Snoke’s orgin story remains a mystery as well. I suspect that Disney is leaving these unanswered or vaguely answered questions up for later canon. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/116 "2017-12-17T00:54:28Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > One thing I REALLY disliked, however, was Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself. Wtf? Isn’t dying in order to protect/save your comrades something that is noble? Laura Dern did it. Her sister did it. How is it suddenly different for Finn? Because he’s a main character? Or is the implication supposed to be that what he’s trying won’t possibly work? > > It was frustratingly muddled. Yeah, that bit bugged me too. If she had just said something like “it wouldn’t’ve worked” then it would’ve been fine. But for all she/we knew Finn would’ve been successful in taking out the laser, and that would’ve given them time until reinforcements showed up (at this point I think they still expected them to come). She certainly had no way of knowing Luke was going to show up. If anything “don’t throw your life away” would’ve been a better storyline for Poe given the bombing run early in the movie. It doesn’t really mean anything for Finn. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/117 "2017-12-17T01:33:42Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Saw it today. Loved it. Crazily fun. > > My highlight, by far, was the double twist of the throne room; absolutely one of the best Star Wars moments ever. I was kind of disappointed there. The assumption seems to be that whoever is emperor HAS to be evil, and never benevolent. I was hoping Rey would join him with the goal tempering the rule of the First Order. That would fit with the movie’s seeming theme that it was time to drop the Dark/Light stuff, and make sense with the La Resistance trying to re-capture the galaxy with 20 people prone to suicide runs. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/118 "2017-12-17T01:48:23Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I was kind of disappointed there. The assumption seems to be that whoever is emperor HAS to be evil, and never benevolent. I was hoping Rey would join him with the goal tempering the rule of the First Order. That would fit with the movie’s seeming theme that it was time to drop the Dark/Light stuff, and make sense with the La Resistance trying to re-capture the galaxy with 20 people prone to suicide runs. When they were in the throne room, having just teamed up to kill their foes, and Kylo was doing his best _now-we-can-rule-together_ pitch and Rey was replying with the whole _it-isn’t-too-late-to-stop-zapping-the-unarmed-dropships_ bit, I was nodding at what I honestly thought he was going to say next: “Yeah, join me now and the first thing we’ll do is announce from this here throne room that they should stop firing; and the second thing we’ll do, is whatever the hell else we want.” ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/119 "2017-12-17T01:53:01Z")
So the weird milk dispenser is called a “[thala](https://imgur.com/a/655kE) [siren](http://i.4cdn.org/tv/1513128041163.jpg? __cf_waf_tk__ =097804002IYMb3CCFIkC0RqA3funjwx8Ax2M).” And of course [rule 34](http://i.4cdn.org/tv/1513314300790.png). ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441/120 "2017-12-17T01:56:24Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I was kind of disappointed there. The assumption seems to be that whoever is emperor HAS to be evil, and never benevolent. I was hoping Rey would join him with the goal tempering the rule of the First Order. That would fit with the movie’s seeming theme that it was time to drop the Dark/Light stuff, and make sense with the La Resistance trying to re-capture the galaxy with 20 people prone to suicide runs. There’s no such thing as a benevolent dictator. Absolute rule by anyone is inherently wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-last-jedi-seen-it-thread/804441.md?page=7)