# Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 19, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059 "2019-12-19T01:52:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/121 "2019-12-21T20:22:43Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Question about the end: when Kylo Ren was coming to help Rey fight the emperor, were those the Knights of Ren he was fighting off? Yes ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/122 "2019-12-21T20:27:23Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > My wife got the impression that Rey sort of absorbed Ben’s essence in the end. It would explain why he didn’t show up as a ghost along with Luke and Leia, and give her an actual tangible feeling of being a Skywalker. Interesting perspective. I thought it was a missed opportunity not to have Luke, Leia and Ben reunited, perhaps along with Anakin. I would’ve loved to see Anakin and the twins together. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/123 "2019-12-21T20:36:24Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Question about the end: when Kylo Ren was coming to help Rey fight the emperor, were those the Knights of Ren he was fighting off? Yes, and I told my wife at home that he could have yelled, “Sorry I took you all down the wrong path! Now, you must die!” > [@AK84](#): > > If I have followed the chronology correctly. > > 1. Papa Palpatine died on DS2. He outright says it. What did he say? I didn’t remember if he specifically said he had died. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/124 "2019-12-21T21:08:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > One thing I noticed back in TFA and was even more evident here - \*\*J.J. Abrams has no idea how to stage space combat. \*\*It’s all about the juxtaposition of fast and slow, big and small. With Abrams, though, it’s just zipping around and never giving us a clear look at what’s going on. That final battle should have been amazing; instead, it was just a blur. Thats a failure of a lot of shows…shit, ST:TOS had better space combat then the nauseating work on Discovery. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/125 "2019-12-21T22:51:34Z")
Look at [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8deRYotdng) - still the gold standard - from Ep. 4, or this more recent[sequence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkZvyfLC-LU)from Rogue One. There’s a lot going on, but you can still see everything clearly, you know where everything is relative to everything else, and everything has a proper sense of scale: big things look big, small things look small. There’s no need to create artificial excitement with blurring, jerky cameras and general chaos; instead, there’s a sense of gracefulness, of elegance that just makes things even more thrilling. Plus, you can see the goddamn ships. > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Thats a failure of a lot of shows…shit, ST:TOS had better space combat then the nauseating work on Discovery. \*Discovery \*was the absolute worse I’ve ever seen… two seasons in, and I have no idea what the Klingon ships look like, despite them appearing in multiple battles. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/126 "2019-12-21T23:08:11Z")
I just came from it, and without reading the rest of the thread, I liked it. I enjoyed many of the little references and callbacks to the first movie (and even one that seemed to be a callback to Lost). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/127 "2019-12-21T23:19:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I just came from it, and without reading the rest of the thread, I liked it. I enjoyed many of the little references and callbacks to the first movie (and even one that seemed to be a callback to Lost). OK, I’ll ask. What callback to LOST? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/128 "2019-12-21T23:23:03Z")
At the end, after Palpatine was dead, Rey was lying there, flat on her back, looking up. That seemed to me to reference the beginning and end of Lost, where Jack Shepard’s character was also looking up. But maybe I’m reading too much into it and nothing was intended. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/129 "2019-12-21T23:40:19Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Look at [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8deRYotdng) - still the gold standard - from Ep. 4 Trivial nitpick: Ep.5. Yeah, one hell of a scene. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/130 "2019-12-22T00:01:21Z")
> [@polar\_bear](#): > > Reading some reviews and this thread, it seems your opinion on Last Jedi (which I liked, altough it certainly isn’t perfect) is a good indicator on how you feel about TROS. If you hated TLJ, you’ll like this… if you liked TLJ, you’ll be disappointed. I liked both. So much for theories. Both had moments of greatness, and moments of stupidity. On thing, I wish this movie wasn’t so dark. Not dark, like plot, but underlit. I couldn’t tell what was going on. I read comments here about palatine being tethered to a machine, or glimpses of cloning vats, and I’m like, did you all see a different movie than me? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/131 "2019-12-22T00:29:29Z")
Star wars has been part of my life for 42 years (nice callback on that with the festival) The plot - meh Rey being a Palpatine has been a rumor since Episode 7 – Did the writes get the ideas from the fans? I though Rey, Kylo, and even Poe were acted well. Maybe not all of Endor is forest – what was with the crashing Star Destroyers nowhere near the Sith planet? (glad we saw Ewoks) Thought Fin and other ex stormtrooper were going to get together (sounds like it is Lando – isn’;t she a bit young for you?) Were there any Easter Egg ships? Bllie Lorde had a much smaller role than I expected (did she even have a line?) Overall I am satisfied – I am not ashamed to say I cried a little. Brian ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/132 "2019-12-22T00:53:59Z")
Forgot to mention: Family is more than DNA - it is also the people you choose to be in your life. (was the old lady just a random person – in any case I expect a whole novel to be written about her) Was surprise by Harrison Ford (I remained mostly spoiler free) Any significance to Rey’s yellow blade? (its Billie Lourd – sorry about that) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/133 "2019-12-22T00:59:23Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > What did he say? I didn’t remember if he specifically said he had died. He specifically says “I’ve died before” when Kylo Ren threatens to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/134 "2019-12-22T01:01:59Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Any significance to Rey’s yellow blade? It means she finally made her own lightsaber and officially became a Jedi. It’s a not often used color in the movies, but not terribly rare. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/135 "2019-12-22T01:05:33Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It means she finally made her own lightsaber and officially became a Jedi. It’s a not often used color in the movies, but not terribly rare. It is the first yellowish saber in any of the major movies, right? Episodes I-IX, Rogue One, and Solo. Not a single saber except Red, Blue, Green, and Purple(Windu). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/136 "2019-12-22T01:07:21Z")
Edit: Double post for some reason ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/137 "2019-12-22T01:07:36Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Family is more than DNA - it is also the people you choose to be in your life. Right. I assumed that’s why Rey said her last name was Skywalker at the end. She was explicitly rejecting any association with her grandfather. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/138 "2019-12-22T01:09:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It is the first yellowish saber in any of the major movies, right? Episodes I-IX, Rogue One, and Solo. Not a single saber except Red, Blue, Green, and Purple(Windu). Yup, this is correct. Jedi Temple guards used yellow, but those are from the cartoons. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/139 "2019-12-22T01:13:23Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It means she finally made her own lightsaber and officially became a Jedi. It’s a not often used color in the movies, but not terribly rare. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > It is the first yellowish saber in any of the major movies, right? Episodes I-IX, Rogue One, and Solo. Not a single saber except Red, Blue, Green, and Purple(Windu). I don’t recall any showing up in the movies, but [Jedi Temple Guards](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Temple_Guard) used yellow-bladed [lightsaber pikes](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lightsaber_pike) in some _Clone Wars_ and _Rebels_ episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/140 "2019-12-22T03:54:54Z")
Okay I saw it again today are the different set of people. For some reason I liked it better the second time. I think there is just way too much to process in that film the first time you watch it. I was able to relax and it emotionally resonated with me more. I caught some things I didn’t notice the first time and actually think it was quite clever how they handled a lot of it. I want to give it a eight out of ten but I’m not going to go crazy here we’ll say 7 out of 10 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059.md?page=8)