# Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERS!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 19, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059 "2019-12-19T01:52:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/161 "2019-12-22T18:58:48Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > For two decades we have claimed that if anyone other than George Lucas was in charge we would have a great movie (s). > As the sequel trilogy ends, we realize that was not true. > > Sorry George. I won’t go _that_ far, but yeah. I’ve bagged on Lucas for years about his crappy prequel and even crappier directing. The last three movies just prove that there are even crappier directors out there. And writers. ---
**Author:** ![polar\_bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@polar\_bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/polar_bear)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/162 "2019-12-22T19:04:37Z")
I think the crowd can be important. I saw it in a theatre with a few other people (less than 10 total). Maybe an initial negative reaction (to the ridiculous crawl for instance) also carries through and makes you more critical while watching Still I think it was the general directions of the story (compared to what came before) that I found lacking…and not so much the nitpicky “wasn’t that light saber destroyed” or “didn’t you need a droid to fly an xwing” moments. Verstuurd vanaf mijn moto g(6) met Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/163 "2019-12-22T19:08:17Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I haven’t read the thread yet but saw it last night and wow was it disappointing. First they basically under cut everything TLJ tries to do: instead of saying you know the Force belongs to everyone and the Jedi may have been a mistake, we are back to lineages and destinies. The Jedi and the Sith (with the Sith not being mentioned by name at all in this trilogy before now). Also they Poochied Rose back to her Home Planet and gave Finn a new girlfriend. TLJ has flaws but they undid the best things about it. Oh, if you liked TLJ it is very likely you will HATE this movie. JJ slapped down as many layups from TLJ as Johnson did to TFA. Not just disagreeing, almost spitefully And, you could tell Mark Hamill was relishing delivering his “Don’t disrespect a Jedi weapon line.” This movie HAD to do a few things for me: 1. Explain why Rey is so naturally powerful. 2. Restore Luke’s character as much as possible. They didn’t do that on perfectly, but they made a good attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/164 "2019-12-22T19:11:38Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Nah, they didn’t need him. Their main issue is that they were impatient. They were determined to get Episode VII in theaters by 2015. Because of that, they did not sit down and write out a story plan for all three movies. They got that one written, made zero plan for Episodes VIII or IX, and then made those up as they went. > > When Rian Johnson began prep work on Episode VIII, he was asked what kind of guidance or requirements he was given from Disney. He said they told him nothing and said there he could make up whatever he wanted. They had to approve his script, but they did and he made the movie with huge creative freedom. > > When it was out, he was asked what he think will happen with Episode IX and he honestly answered, “I have no idea. I am not involved in that movie at all.” > > I was surprised they did not hire JJ Abrams to make all three and pay Lawrence Kasdan to write all three. Film them concurrently and release them 2017-2019(one per year). > > Lord of the Rings, style. Cheaper, cohesive vision, clear storyline through three movies. Agreed. Whoever had the idea of “let each director do whatever” frankly should be fired. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/165 "2019-12-22T19:22:14Z")
Palpatine question: Was there any chatter after episodes VII and VIII about Snoke being a stand in for palpatine? The reason I ask is my husband was rewatching the movies before seeing IX. I wasn’t watching, but I could hear it and hearing palpatine and Snoke so close together I noticed Snoke has a weird voice but I heard palpatine clearly in it at some point. I assume someone had to have noticed it before. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/166 "2019-12-22T19:32:18Z")
A minor point, but remember in _TFA_ when the crashed Tie Fighter sank into the sand then _blew the hell up_? I knew that the one Rey set on fire wasn’t going to blow up, but it logically _should_ have. (That would make a nice How It Should Have Ended. Tie Fighter blows up, Rey becomes Force Ghost.) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/167 "2019-12-22T19:51:37Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Agreed. Whoever had the idea of “let each director do whatever” frankly should be fired. Kathy Kennedy, most likely. It is beyond my imagining that they did not make all three at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/168 "2019-12-22T21:16:45Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > A minor point, but remember in _TFA_ when the crashed Tie Fighter sank into the sand then _blew the hell up_? I knew that the one Rey set on fire wasn’t going to blow up, but it logically _should_ have. (That would make a nice How It Should Have Ended. Tie Fighter blows up, Rey becomes Force Ghost.) This is Rey here. No way she crash landed. I think she caught it on fire or something. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/169 "2019-12-22T23:33:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I won’t go _that_ far, but yeah. I’ve bagged on Lucas for years about his crappy prequel and even crappier directing. The last three movies just prove that there are even crappier directors out there. And writers. You know what? At least Lucas managed to tell a coherent story. The execution may not have been great, but he knew what he wanted to say and he said it. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/170 "2019-12-22T23:36:33Z")
I just saw it. I’ll give it a solid meh. It seemed like 2 movies jammed in one - so the pacing was completely off. I also wondered when Force powers got ultra jacked up. However, I did like the basic outline of the story and the ending was well done. But IMO it hit all a bunch of fan service notes it felt it had to and just made it over the line, but didn’t do more than that. I also agree it was a movie that wanted to pretend The Last Jedi didn’t happen. The lack of a unifying vision for the sequel trilogy killed it. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/171 "2019-12-22T23:42:32Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You know what? At least Lucas managed to tell a coherent story. The execution may not have been great, but he knew what he wanted to say and he said it. I agree with this. His execution was off but I think the outline of Ep.1-3 had a good story to tell. A three movie arc about the rise of Anakin and his eventual fall to the dark side culminating in the rise of Darth Vader. The new ones seem like they were pitched by Jerry Seinfeld. “It’s a Star Wars trilogy… about nothing” I could see years from now Disney attempting a re-boot of the sequels and these becoming very forgetable. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/172 "2019-12-23T00:05:00Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Also they Poochied Rose back to her Home Planet and gave Finn a new girlfriend. Directors Cut will have a deleted scene with Rose saying “So, did Finn ever tell you about the time I saved him from certain suicide and said we’d only won this by saving the people we love? No? I guess he forgot.” ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/173 "2019-12-23T00:10:58Z")
I saw the movie earlier today and I have to say that I am surprised at my indifference to it. Essentially I feel like I saw a movie but I didn’t get that childhood giddiness that I usually get from a Star Wars movie - the other time I had the same feeling was after Phantom Menace. I was certain that Luke was going to make an appearance and he did. I was not expecting as much Leia as there was. And I was, for sure, not expecting Han. Random thoughts: In the theater I was thinking that I have no investment in the characters, I wonder why that was? Was there too much Leia? Considering when Carrie passed away all her footage had to be left over from previous movies. Would we have gotten a better movie if she wasn’t shoehorned in? The ‘surprises’ of Chewie and C3PO were undone too quickly IMO. I did like that shot of Rey with the twin suns… ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/174 "2019-12-23T00:27:22Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > I didn’t see Rogue One. I started watching it once, and five minutes in decided I really didn’t want to see it. I was watching it only because I should, because it was Star Wars. I didn’t give a rat’s ass about a Star Wars prequel that didn’t involve the main characters. I didn’t like the series so much anymore, why should I watch a movie that guarantees anyone I get to know and like are gonna die? Screw it… I think you’ve done yourself a disservice because IMO Rogue One was the best of the post-trilogy films. Overall I’m in the camp that says that Star Wars itself didn’t do a great pass at building a universe, but that’s fine. It was a great standalone film, Empire was a great sequel, ROTJ was… a needed resolution, but a mediocre one. As a kid, all I wanted after that was more and more and more Star Wars, and as an adult I now see that was unrealistic. This world wasn’t an intricated, extensible thing like Tolkien would have built, it was a couple of groundbreaking sci-fi films that were milked to death to keep a merchandise industry afloat. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/175 "2019-12-23T00:37:28Z")
I remain unimpressed with the works of Jar Jar Abrams. If he would just stay away from the Star Wars universe, that would be great. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/176 "2019-12-23T00:51:08Z")
Not sure if it was just my theater but no one made a chuckle at the obvious sight gags like C3P0 turning to see what everyone was looking at or Chewie ducking in the crowd. Anyone see those jokes actually land? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/177 "2019-12-23T01:00:02Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Not sure if it was just my theater but no one made a chuckle at the obvious sight gags like C3P0 turning to see what everyone was looking at or Chewie ducking in the crowd. Anyone see those jokes actually land? I laughed at both. I think others did. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I remain unimpressed with the works of Jar Jar Abrams. If he would just stay away from the Star Wars universe, that would be great. And Star Trek, too. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/178 "2019-12-23T01:23:34Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Not sure if it was just my theater but no one made a chuckle at the obvious sight gags like C3P0 turning to see what everyone was looking at or Chewie ducking in the crowd. Anyone see those jokes actually land? There were laughs all around me for both of those. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/179 "2019-12-23T01:26:33Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Not sure if it was just my theater but no one made a chuckle at the obvious sight gags like C3P0 turning to see what everyone was looking at or Chewie ducking in the crowd. Anyone see those jokes actually land? My theater was very reserved, but there were laughs at those jokes. I laughed, too. Not hugely but a little laugh. ---
**Author:** ![TaoPilot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@TaoPilot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaoPilot)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059/180 "2019-12-23T02:14:44Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > I remain unimpressed with the works of Jar Jar Abrams. If he would just stay away from the Star Wars universe, that would be great. He’s done with Star Wars. After destroying Star Trek and destroying Star Wars, he decided that was too easy. So he’s moving to the already destroyed DC movies to take the challenge of seeing if it’s possible to destroy them any further. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers/845059.md?page=10)