That scene kind of bothered me. You have this droid slave who’s declared his willingness to die in order to save his buddies. At the last moment, he has an idea for saving everyone that doesn’t require his death–but the person killing him ignores him and kills him anyway.
Ha, ha! That C3PO!
Also, everyone treats him like crap for the entire movie up to that point. Then he does his noble self-sacrifice, and everyone has a sad for a minute. Then they immediately start treating the amnesiac C-3PO like crap again.
If Star Wars were Parks and Recreation, then C3PO would be Garry.
I was really hoping that after his reboot C-3PO would ask R2 where Captain Antilles was.
Otherwise known as the butt-monkey.
All the First Order TIE models have hyperdrives. They also have other stuff the Imperial ones didn’t, like shields and a second gunner. As seen already in TFA.
Speaking of continuity: if we take all of this as canon, then what might the Watsonian ramifications be for the earlier movies?
Back in REVENGE OF THE SITH, could Palpatine do the trick of possessing someone younger who’s strong in the Force and struck him down in rage?
If so, was that the keep-from-dying trick Darth Plagueis discovered?
If so, is the Emperor actually Plagueis?
When a lightning-fingers Emperor was getting advanced on by a kinda pissed-off Mace Windu, is it possible that Plan B was to greatly piss the guy off right before a deathblow, and then, oh, hey, Anakin is here, let’s go with that?
Once he had an aging-Ian-McDiarmid body and a messed-up face, was the plan to goad Anakin into rage-striking him down — to get the tall twentysomething body of a guy with male-model looks — only to maybe then reconsider only after the last bit of dirty work unexpectedly left that dope legless and hooked up to life-support?
If so, did Vader ever find out about that?
What, exactly, is Vader supposed to be have in mind when he made that pitch to Luke about destroying the Emperor — as the Emperor has foreseen you can! — so we can rule the galaxy as father and son?
Why, exactly, does Vader stop Luke from striking down the Emperor in ROTJ?
Those are cool questions. I like how that adds a little subtext to Vader killing him at the end of RotJ - Palpatine could swap to Vader’s body, because Vader acting out of rage, but out of love for his son.
I thought it was OK, but I guess I had the following gripes:
Is there any official (or informed, or thoughtful) take on the title Rise of Skywalker?
With the ending on Tatooine, I could see Birth of Skywalker, perhaps. Legacy of Skywalker obviously works. But I don’t understand “Rise.”
My thinking was that it was a callback to the Emperor’s bestowing of his Sith name to Darth Vader (‘Rise, Lord Vader’), which is the point of the fall of the Republic and the beginning of the rule of the Empire, coupled to somebody taking a new name, now mirrored in the final defeat of the Empire with Rey taking the name Skywalker.
I saw it last week, but have been avoiding this thread because I didn’t feel like wading through nine pages. So I finally decided what the heck, and just read the last one.
My biggest takeaways:
1: The movie wasn’t too bad. But it would have been a heck of a lot better if the previous two movies had planned to come to this point, instead of just “Hey, everything from the previous movie is now out the window, forget about it!”.
2: Finn and Rose are much more interesting characters than Rey and Poe, and the movie should have given them a heck of a lot more focus.
It was kind of weird having Star Wars wars, with each new movie attempting to cancel out the previous one. Has that ever happened with a franchise before?
I was kind of thinking Finn would turn out to somehow be a Skywalker, and not just Rey deciding she was one at the very end of the movie. He was the first of the rebel characters in this trilogy to pick up a lightsaber, and it could have made an interesting twist in a trilogy that really could have used one (no, I don’t count the return of Palpatine to be a good twist; I thought that was fucking lazy as shit writing from people who clearly had little to no good ideas to begin with).
Has there ever been a more toxic fan base before? There was so much bitching and carrying on about Episodes 7 and 8, how are you surprised they tried to cater to those fans in some ways? TFA was bitched about because it wasn’t original enough, theh TLJ was bitched about because it did unexpected things and took the story in a different direction, and now ROS is being bitched about because they tried to adjust to those other criticisms.
I have no idea how anyone could succeed in satisfying this part of the Star Wars fanbase.
I bitch about all the new movies (including Rogue One) because the characters do stupid things that don’t make sense and the nature of the Galaxy (from the force to the hyperdrive) is glaringly inconsistent, even within the same film, whether the overall outcome was “unexpected” or not. This is not about a bad or toxic fan base, but bad writing.
Ok, sure it is.
An actress was harrassed off of the internet by this fanbase. Then her character barely existed in the next movie. That is as toxic as it gets.
By the way, I’m not saying all SW criticism is toxic fandom. Definitely not. Everybody is entitled to their opinions and all opinions are valid. But if you deny that there is a large element of Star Wars fans that are completely toxic and loud and horrible with their behavior, and that obviously they influenced decisions made on Ep 8 and 9, then I’m not sure what galaxy you’ve been living in.
Please. How many people actively harassed her? A hundred? A thousand? Out of tens or hundreds of millions? We are talking a tiny, tiny minority of the fan base.
*One *would have been one too many.