# Star Wars VII, VIII, IX possibly to be retconned away {Warning Spoilers for other Star Wars movies} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [June 30, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809 "2020-06-30T16:38:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/1 "2020-06-30T16:38:38Z")
[According to a rumor source that apparently has a history of knowing inside info](https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars-erasing-last-jedi?amp). ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/2 "2020-06-30T16:50:13Z")
Those movies were terrible so I’m on board, hopefully they make better ones. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/3 "2020-06-30T16:53:22Z")
True or not, it doesn’t matter. You can erase them from the canon, but you can’t erase them from reality. Those movies happened, and they were a hot mess as a trilogy. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/4 "2020-06-30T16:57:22Z")
_ **“I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”** _ ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/5 "2020-06-30T17:09:16Z")
Hot mess? You know what’s a mess? 1,2 and 3. All copies of those should be destroyed and MiB flashy thingies should be used to remove any memory from everyone in the world. And then they should be made correctly, in a way that sets the stage for 4, 5. and 6, and work as part of a unified whole. 7, 8 and 9 weren’t that bad, except in the minds of Abrams fanboys. Do they have problems? of course. Even 4 and 5 have problems. But not as many as 1-3. While we’re at it, can we have the Abrams Star Trek retconned away? Everything in the new parallel universe continuity just be buried in a dump? Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/6 "2020-06-30T18:04:52Z")
Honest thoughts here: VII - as good as the original trilogy. I love it so much. VIII - well, they both made a very compelling movie and destroyed every cool thing from VII. IX - No, just no. A mess. The Emperor was not the solution to the problems VIII created. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/7 "2020-06-30T18:07:12Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Hot mess? You know what’s a mess? 1,2 and 3. At least they had a somewhat coherent overarching plot. And I think III is one of the better movies in the series. Probably would have been a better idea to start with II - 10 year old Anakin was a waste. More Clone Wars. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/8 "2020-06-30T19:01:09Z")
Well, this is most likely total bunk, but if they can pull it off I’d be supportive. I do still like _The Force Awakens_ though. I’d prefer it if they retconned out after that, but some times you gotta crack some eggs. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/9 "2020-06-30T19:10:42Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Hot mess? You know what’s a mess? 1,2 and 3. All copies of those should be destroyed and MiB flashy thingies should be used to remove any memory from everyone in the world. And then they should be made correctly, in a way that sets the stage for 4, 5. and 6, and work as part of a unified whole. My thoughts too. Also agree about Star Trek. Star Trek should not be an action movie series. Not that it shouldn’t have action, but it shouldn’t be the whole, or even half of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/10 "2020-06-30T19:22:13Z")
As long as they put Stars Wars Christmas in the public domain and up on YouTube I don’t care what they do with the entire rest of Lucas’ luchreful empire. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/11 "2020-06-30T19:29:27Z")
In another bit of news, Disney+ has restored the Biggs and Wormie scene to _ANH_. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/12 "2020-06-30T19:41:08Z")
cosmicbook.news is notorious for completely inventing news and rumors. I would put zero stake in that rumor and even less hope. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/13 "2020-06-30T20:00:02Z")
This would be great news for Star Wars fan. The Force Awakens was such a disaster it would be impossible to make a good film that continues that story. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/14 "2020-06-30T20:44:34Z")
Look… I never went to see “Titanic”. Why? Because I knew how it ended. The boat sank. That was the problem with SW 1,2, and 3. We all knew how it ended. Anakin became Darth Vader. So why waste your money? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/15 "2020-06-30T21:12:09Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > At least they had a somewhat coherent overarching plot Yeah, because trade disputes make for compelling viewing. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/16 "2020-06-30T21:21:08Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Look… I never went to see “Titanic”. Why? Because I knew how it ended. The boat sank. I guess you didn’t see _Apollo 13_, either? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/17 "2020-06-30T21:23:23Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > > > At least they had a somewhat coherent overarching plot > > Yeah, because trade disputes make for compelling viewing. Far more interesting than anything in VII, VIII, or IX. And, you know, trade disputes being a front to sow division leading to a peaceful coup is pretty interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/18 "2020-06-30T22:21:23Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > In another bit of news, Disney+ has restored the Biggs and Wormie scene to _ANH_ . Oh? Have you seen it? They cleaned it up and it gels with the rest of the movie? I don’t have Disney+ at the moment (and won’t til The Mandelorian is back on), but I’m curious about it. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/19 "2020-06-30T22:24:35Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Oh? Have you seen it? Nope, just [lots of articles about it](https://www.google.com/search?q=mark+hamill&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq4cTkyarqAhXrRd8KHQjFDJgQ_AUIBigB), mostly with Wormy talking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/20 "2020-06-30T23:19:08Z")
I guess retconning them gives you a chance to squeeze more blood out of the stone. If they do, they need at least a coherent writing group. While VIII was the best of the new trilogy, Abrams not "yes, and"ing it really messed with the overarching story. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809.md?page=2)