# Star Wars VII, VIII, IX possibly to be retconned away {Warning Spoilers for other Star Wars movies}

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**Created:** [June 30, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809 "2020-06-30T16:38:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\
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The lightsaber duels in the prequel are mostly (all?) terrible. Completely souless. The Darth Maul fight has great music and a great opening scene, the actual fight itself is poor.The main duels in both Empire and Return of the Jedi are significantly better than every single prequel fight. The Obi Wan vs Vader fight in A New Hope is, admittedly, stilted and awkward.

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> [@Snarky\_Kong](#):
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> The Obi Wan vs Vader fight in A New Hope is, admittedly, stilted and awkward.

On top of all that, you can see the plastic rod that was Obi-Wan’s lightsaber when he moves it end-on to the camera. They missed that when they overlayed the “light.”

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**Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/784 "2024-05-04T03:24:25Z")

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> [@Tamerlane](#):
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> The various attempts to rehabilitate the prequels is still a little overblown IMHO - they’re still not great or even solidly good films. More chaff than wheat at the end of the day. But there is no denying they had their good points. I don’t hate any of them.

The prequels weren’t my favorite but even at the time I found some things I could like. I did gain a greater appreciation for the prequels after watching episodes VII, VIII, and IX. At least the prequels were cohesive.

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-vii-viii-ix-possibly-to-be-retconned-away-warning-spoilers-for-other-star-wars-movies/913809/785 "2024-05-04T13:25:01Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Bumped.
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> This may also be of interest: [As ‘The Phantom Menace’ turns 25, six (non-Jar Jar) things the ‘Star Wars’ prequel got right](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/entertainment/star-wars-phantom-menace-turns-25/index.html) ⁢

That last one is interesting, as one of the main complaints I’ve heard about the prequels is that they the swordfighting as worse. They think making it flashy misses the point.

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