# Star Wars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 3, 2007, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294 "2007-07-03T00:12:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/21 "2007-07-03T02:31:48Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] ok - I give - what’s the “other” big secret (and you may want to put it in a spoiler box) [/QUOTE] I’m guessing it’s that Leia is Luke’s sister. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/22 "2007-07-03T02:31:59Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] ok - I give - what’s the “other” big secret (and you may want to put it in a spoiler box) [/QUOTE] Probably that Leia was Luke’s sister ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/23 "2007-07-03T02:36:25Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Probably that Leia was Luke’s sister [/QUOTE] That, plus how they got busy with each other in _Splinter of the Mind’s Eye._ ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/24 "2007-07-03T02:36:56Z")
Yeah, that was the one I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/25 "2007-07-03T02:39:21Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Yeah, that was the one I was thinking of. [/QUOTE] But most of us figured that out after the exchange between Yoda and Obi-Wan in ESB eta: paraphrasing Ben: That boy is our last hope Yoda: No, there is another ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/26 "2007-07-03T02:40:27Z")
That’s the point - if you haven’t watched them, you don’t know! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/27 "2007-07-03T02:41:42Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] That, plus how they got busy with each other in _Splinter of the Mind’s Eye._ [/QUOTE] _SotME_ is non-canon. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/28 "2007-07-03T02:45:34Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] But most of us figured that out after the exchange between Yoda and Obi-Wan in ESB eta: paraphrasing Ben: That boy is our last hope Yoda: No, there is another [/QUOTE] Which, of course makes **no** sense when you factor inThat Vader should have picked up on her Force abilities when he first encountered her, but didn’t. Then when you factor in that Qui Gon was able to tell that Anakin was Force enabled in that movie which never happened, you get to mind imploding stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/29 "2007-07-03T02:47:32Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Which, of course makes **no** sense when you factor inThat Vader should have picked up on her Force abilities when he first encountered her, but didn’t. Then when you factor in that Qui Gon was able to tell that Anakin was Force enabled in that movie which never happened, you get to mind imploding stupidity. [/QUOTE] maybe it’s recessive in females? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/30 "2007-07-03T05:58:30Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Which, of course makes **no** sense when you factor inThat Vader should have picked up on her Force abilities when he first encountered her, but didn’t. Then when you factor in that Qui Gon was able to tell that Anakin was Force enabled in that movie which never happened, you get to mind imploding stupidity. [/QUOTE] Man, there’s like fifteen ways you can fankwank that without even breaking a sweat. [spoiler]1) Anakin was actively using the Force: that’s how he could compete in the pod-race. Leia never actually used the Force until they were escaping from Cloud City. Force ability can lie dormant in a person, and not be casually detected by other force-users. 1. Darth Vader’s suffusion with the dark side of the Force makes it difficult to sense those who are strong in the light side, unless they are actively using their abilities or exceptionally powerful. 2. Qui-Gonn is just better at using the Force than Vader, and can pick up on stuff that the other guy can’t.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/31 "2007-07-03T06:09:44Z")
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy] Lucas came back to his movies decades later and packed them with poorly integrated CGI, extra shots and scenes that damage the pacing, and one particularly infamous moment that guts the characterization of one major character. [/quote] Which part was that? > [@](#): > > For nearly a decade he insisted that the original versions were gone, never to be seen again until last year they finally put the original versions on DVD. Those are the ones to get; cheesy models and all. Woa, I didn’t know they re-released the originals! Needs to gets me some of that. -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/32 "2007-07-03T06:33:05Z")
6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Just for fun. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/33 "2007-07-03T08:51:31Z")
> [@Just Some Guy\[/quote](#): > > Lucas came back to his movies decades later and packed them with poorly integrated CGI, extra shots and scenes that damage the pacing, and one particularly infamous moment that guts the characterization of one major character. [QUOTE=Frylock] Which part was that? [/QUOTE] Han Shot First! ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/34 "2007-07-03T09:01:13Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] **IV, V**. Stop there and never listen to anybody who said there were any more than those two. [/QUOTE] For the life of me I don’t get why so many people espouse this opinion that ROTJ was total trash and should just be ignored. Sure, the Ewoks sucked - but The final confrontation between Luke and the Emperor, and the unmasking of Vader and his dying reconciliation with his son (I have to save you!" - “You already have.”) is as good a culmination of the trilogy as I could have come up with. And shit, man, Leia in the metal bikini - how could you not like that? Especially compared to the horseshit that is the new prequels, I really don’t see how ROTJ is that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/35 "2007-07-03T09:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] For the life of me I don’t get why so many people espouse this opinion that ROTJ was total trash and should just be ignored. Sure, the Ewoks sucked - but The final confrontation between Luke and the Emperor, and the unmasking of Vader and his dying reconciliation with his son (I have to save you!" - “You already have.”) is as good a culmination of the trilogy as I could have come up with. And shit, man, Leia in the metal bikini - how could you not like that? Especially compared to the horseshit that is the new prequels, I really don’t see how ROTJ is that bad. [/QUOTE] Plus, the final space battle is the best in the series. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/36 "2007-07-03T09:50:14Z")
And the speeder bike chase in ROTJ is really one of the most thrilling action sequences of the whole series. It was way cool seeing that on the big screen. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/37 "2007-07-03T10:43:20Z")
[QUOTE=Hoops] [True Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.](http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=3381) [/QUOTE] As a fan boy, but perhaps not a _Star Wars_ fan boy, this is one of the most painfully accurate articles about the subject that I’ve ever read 🆒 Thanks for the laughs. (And for what it’s worth, I love Eps II and III, which proves that I’m not a ‘Star Wars Fan’ - I could have done without Ep I, and some of the bad acting in the other two, but really - they’re not _that_ bad!) ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/38 "2007-07-03T12:03:51Z")
See IV, V and VI. Play with the toys and pretend to be Luke for 15 years. Then, move into your mom’s basement and get an internet conenction. Buy “fan fiction” written by other people who live in their mom’s basement and debate on the internet whether it’s “canon” for 10 years. Then, dress up as Darth Vader and watch episode III. Go on the internet and endlessly parrot the opinion of others that it sucked even if the things you are criticizing it for were just as bad in the first three, and completely write-off the great aspects of it. Only then can you understand the “Attack of the Clones”. After that, see the best movie of the six, “Revenge of the Sith”. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/39 "2007-07-03T12:07:08Z")
I’ve found the prequels are _much_ improved by skipping over any and all scenes that contain both Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman. One or the other plus any other combination of characters is fine, but never both at the same time. It helps immensely. Course, if you skip without knowing the plot first, you may get a little confused, but hey, that’s life. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![aerodave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@aerodave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aerodave)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294/40 "2007-07-03T12:17:48Z")
_ding ding_ **Trunk** wins the thread. **kanicbird** , don’t listen to people who say Eps I, II, and III aren’t good. They are blinded by 20 years of fanboy-ism. And/or they’re parroting other people’s expectations of how they’re supposed to think about the series. Without the burden of decades of masturbatory sci-fi geek analysis, you’re just as likely to think the old ones are kinda cheesy and the new ones are a slicker kind of cheesy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars/410294.md?page=3)