# Starfield - November 11, 2022. How excited are you? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** video-games-e-games\ **Created:** [August 22, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328 "2021-08-22T21:23:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Limmin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Limmin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Limmin)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/261 "2023-09-08T02:13:28Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I use mouse and keyboard. Seems fine. Is a controller better? I dunno It works fine using mouse and keyboard. Ship combat is probably better with a joystick, but I’m too lazy to haul my HOTAS out of the bin. As for storyline…yeah, I’m kind of missing something compelling at the start, even F4’s Minuteman quest in Concord, with them marching up the hill at the end to move into Sanctuary. I like the open sky feel of that home base. The Lodge is all indoors, and feels stuffy. And so far, all the companions are Constellation members whom you can take with you if you like. Isn’t there anyone else? Hope so. I did just complete the quest to become a “Space Texas Ranger” or whatever they call them…Freestar thingies. This meant lots of ground combat, rescuing some trapped scientists and two friendly soldier factions at an outpost. Then some more ground combat. Then more. Then two moderate space battles. Then a defensive ground battle, with 3+ waves of baddies. Finally over. I got a cheap new ship. The “Sparrow” has 2x the Frontier (starter ship) cargo capacity, is a LOT faster, slightly higher jump range, and handles well. With this minor upgrade (only 62000 credits) I can now beat moderately small enemy ships. I feel kinda bad with Sam Coe and his daughter being onboard–child endangerment and all–but nobody seems to care. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/262 "2023-09-08T14:26:17Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I skipped it all in Fallout 4 and when they required me to do one, i used the console to cheat it. A warning for those who care: according to multiple online reports, using the console is likely to disable achievements for that character. Some people have reported that even using mods can disable achievements. Again, many don’t care, but just wanted to mention this in case it is important to you. I was doing a Rangers mission that basically has you run a gauntlet, and I was prepared to, and willing to if it came to it, temporarily enter God mode. But it turned out OK (though I used a tremendous amount of ammo1), and I didn’t even have to save-scum. It was difficult, though. I will almost certainly resort to a cheat eventually, probably because being a Bethesda game there will likely be a quest path that will get knackered without a workaround. 1 I priced buying ammo at Jemison Mercantile and for pretty common rounds (6.5mm I think) it was 24 credits; other rounds were similarly priced, 18-26 credits. I couldn’t believe it; how could someone afford to shoot at these prices? Then in bed last night I wondered: maybe those prices are per _hundred_ rather than per round, which is much more affordable. **Anyone know?** It would be crazy otherwise, as many of the low-level crafting components like Sealant are cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/263 "2023-09-08T15:33:55Z")
> [@Raza](#): > > A warning for those who care: according to multiple online reports, using the console is likely to disable achievements for that character. Some people have reported that even using mods can disable achievements. Again, many don’t care, but just wanted to mention this in case it is important to you. I guess I get that, but I don’t remember if Bethesda has done that before. Kind of sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/264 "2023-09-08T15:38:45Z")
> [@Raza](#): > > I priced buying ammo at Jemison Mercantile and for pretty common rounds (6.5mm I think) it was 24 credits; other rounds were similarly priced, 18-26 credits. I couldn’t believe it; how could someone afford to shoot at these prices? Quoting myself to answer myself: confirmed that it is _per round_. Example: 6.5mm CT rounds were 25 credits EACH. A measly 40 rounds would set you back 1,000 credits, which is just a couple of bursts. Prices are without any relevant perks. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/265 "2023-09-08T15:46:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t remember if Bethesda has done that before That’s standard for Bethesda games. Using mods usually disables achievements. In Skyrim, some of the console commands disable achievements, but not all of them. I don’t think I have ever run a Bethesda game without mods. I was kinda annoyed the first time I found out that this disables achievements, but then I don’t really care about achievements so for me it was no biggie. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/266 "2023-09-08T15:55:12Z")
So, have any previous games had major quests/factions that you can join by accident? I don’t recall any, but I may have missed some. I ask, because last night I got kidnapped, and forced to join a top-secret undercover mission. Just because I decided to hack a GalBank ATM. I don’t know if any other crime would have triggered this, as I haven’t committed any other crimes yet. Oh, BTW, you can hack GalBank ATMs. Just be more stealthy than I was. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/267 "2023-09-08T17:08:15Z")
I saw a mod on nexmods that purports to enable achievements even if you’re using mods. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/268 "2023-09-08T17:27:07Z")
I used similar mods for FO4 and Skyrim, and they work fine. I think the mod here is literally flipping a “isGameModded” flag back to “false” in a config file somewhere, so it should be pretty fool proof. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/269 "2023-09-08T17:42:41Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So, have any previous games had major quests/factions that you can join by accident? In Skyrim there is a quest where you get into a drinking contest with someone in a tavern and you basically end up stuck in a fairly lengthy Daedric quest. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/270 "2023-09-08T17:53:20Z")
I went the Vanguard route, even though I took the Scoundrel background and I’m frequently picking locks on stuff, and I’ve even stolen a handful of items. I see my character as a guy with a checkered past who is trying to make things better for himself and the people around him, but he’s not above cutting corners to get things done. And when he swore the oath to the Vanguard and the United Colonies, when he raised his right hand he kept his fingers crossed behind his back with his left hand. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/271 "2023-09-08T20:03:09Z")
> [@Raza](#): > > I priced buying ammo at Jemison Mercantile and for pretty common rounds (6.5mm I think) it was 24 credits; other rounds were similarly priced, 18-26 credits. I couldn’t believe it; how could someone afford to shoot at these prices? Remember that a soda at a vending machine is like 100-150 credits. Bullets are expensive but credits are more like pennies than dollars. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/272 "2023-09-08T20:05:22Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So, have any previous games had major quests/factions that you can join by accident? I don’t recall any, but I may have missed some. Oblivion’s Dark Brotherhood quest, of course. After you kill someone they wake you up at night and ask you to join. “You sleep rathed soundly for a murderer” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/273 "2023-09-08T21:49:59Z")
I think this review/analysis is kind of how the game will be remembered. Not groundbreaking, or at least not as much as some thought it might be, but another good Bethesda RPG. > **[Starfield Isn’t The Future Of Video Games, And That’s Okay](https://kotaku.com/starfield-game-bethesda-xbox-pc-metacritic-reddit-hype-1850819494)** > > Bethesda’s latest may not be ‘one of the most important RPGs ever made,’ but it is a good one ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/274 "2023-09-08T22:03:15Z")
Yeah, give it a chance. I was really disappointed at first, then I answered a random distress call as I tooled around the galaxy and now I am completely hooked. I’m level 14 and I have barely scratched the main quest, I pretty much just headed for the frontier, thanks for the ship Constellation. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/275 "2023-09-08T22:16:55Z")
I’m not sure I think much of that review > [@](#): > > Aside from ship-building mechanics that borrow heavily from _No Man’s Sky_ , Makes no sense. NMS has no ship building mechanics at all. The ships are procedurally generated from parts, but there is no input from the player other that deciding to buy it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/276 "2023-09-08T22:57:46Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Makes no sense. NMS has no ship building mechanics at all. The ships are procedurally generated from parts, but there is no input from the player other that deciding to buy it or not. Thanks, I have not played No Man’s Sky. I heard it is good, though I’m not sure what you exactly do other than land on planets, mine materials, and catalog animals and plants? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/277 "2023-09-09T03:38:20Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Makes no sense. NMS has no ship building mechanics at all. What reminds me of NMS is using the cargo hold of your ship as an extension of your own inventory. That’s a good thing, I like that feature. But yeah, you don’t build ships in NMS. By the way, there is nothing exceptional about this game but I just get sucked in and hours have gone by. It’s so much like Skyrim in that way, it’s scary. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/278 "2023-09-09T20:09:34Z")
I’ve never had a wait time with cloud gaming before, and I’ve used it for a couple of years now. Yesterday I had to wait five minutes to get into Starfield, and right now I’m in a 15 minute wait. > **[Xbox Cloud Gaming Employs 'Wait Times' In Response To Extreme Starfield Demand](https://www.purexbox.com/news/2023/09/xbox-cloud-gaming-employs-wait-times-in-response-to-extreme-starfield-demand)** > > "Lots of people are playing!" This game is crazy popular. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/279 "2023-09-09T20:30:44Z")
Mod/Achievements update: I have installed one single mod, the **StarUI Inventory** mod that everyone loves. Two separate play sessions later, I completed the Rangers questline and DID receive the Steam achievement. This anecdote may not apply to other mods (particularly ones that alter the gameplay, rather than just the UI), and it may not apply to XBox/Gamepass achievements. Finally, I do recommend StarUI Inventory; it lives up to its hype. My favorite feature: it includes DPS stats for weapons and DR (damage reduction) stats for wearables. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328/280 "2023-09-09T21:27:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’ve never had a wait time with cloud gaming before, and I’ve used it for a couple of years now. Yesterday I had to wait five minutes to get into Starfield, and right now I’m in a 15 minute wait. Does cloud gaming improve graphics or is it running the game from the cloud? I don’t get what the cloud is doing here. Neat that it is popular. I mean, Cyberpunk was under attack much more at release and it sold a huge amount. I’m sure Bethesda has made a huge profit already. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfield-november-11-2022-how-excited-are-you/949328.md?page=15)