# Starfleet uniforms which series is the best? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 16, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994 "2016-08-16T15:48:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/61 "2016-08-19T01:52:19Z")
Im glad that TNG got Worf to remark that the dress unis look like…well…dresses. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/62 "2016-08-19T03:56:18Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > That was Neelix. Let us never mention him again. Also he preferred it to the sand baths that were apparently common in the area he was in which didn’t have much water. In one episode we actually saw B’Elanna Torres use a sonic shower. IIRC the effects make it look like dirt & grime were just evaporating off of her body and she seemed to find it relaxing. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/63 "2016-08-19T04:48:23Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Im glad that TNG got Worf to remark that the dress unis look like…well…dresses. Yeah, and he was upbraided for being “sexist.” :mad: Sexist, shmexist. The damned things were hideous. 24th century frock coats, yeccch! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/64 "2016-08-19T15:17:08Z")
> [@JcWoman](#): > > My only strong opinion about any of the Star Trek uniforms is that I HATE the assymetrical necklines of some of the women’s uniforms… To each their own. I thought the asymmetry actually made them more visually interesting. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/65 "2016-08-19T17:18:58Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > In one episode we actually saw B’Elanna Torres use a sonic shower. IIRC the effects make it look like dirt & grime were just evaporating off of her body and she seemed to find it relaxing. Yeah, but I figure Neelix wanted a bath just to feel what it was like to have water after having gone without it for so long. Not that it ever made that much sense that he couldn’t just go somewhere else in his ship and get water. Voyager didn’t seem to have to go far. By episode 3, they arrived at a planet with normal water cycles. And Neelix seemed to have been even further out than that before. He didn’t reach the end of the space he knew for 2 more years. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/66 "2016-08-19T19:30:43Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Yeah, and he was upbraided for being “sexist.” :mad: > > Sexist, shmexist. The damned things were hideous. 24th century frock coats, yeccch! “Besides. You look good in a dress.” Id like to think Riker was having fun, but we’ve seen time and again that Humans are all for diversity in beliefs and cultures as long as it doesn’t clash with their own. _Another_ good idea for a Trek episode would be running into a culture that is very generous and giving and by all standards “good”…but they own slaves. Too un comfortable with the notion? Think its irresponsible to have the good guys make 18th century arguments? Then make it more finacially driven with families responsible for the debts of their members. That ridiculous PD Enterprise episode seemed to have that except they completely ignored that aspect of the ep. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/67 "2016-08-19T22:15:57Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > Well, it was _an attempt_ at that, but like I said those uniforms were dropped almost immediately, they looked so ridiculous. Personally I think it was just Roddenberry trying to make amends for the miniskirt uniforms and pretty much [all the female wardrobe from TOS…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLmcBRHYF-w) I suspect he just wanted an excuse to keep the miniskirts and was getting flack from the executives. He tended to be a bit of a pervert. [QUOTE=Memory Alpha] One influence on the Ferengi was what Herb Wright described as Gene Roddenberry’s “sex fetish.” In early first season discussions between them about developing the Ferengi, Roddenberry let Wright know it was his intention to make the species well-endowed. “He wanted to put a gigantic codpiece on the Ferengi,” Wright stated. “He spent 25 minutes explaining to me all the sexual positions the Ferengi could go through. I finally said, 'Gene, this is a family show, on at 7:00 on Saturdays. He finally said, ‘Okay, you’re right.’” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/68 "2016-08-19T23:15:20Z")
Makes sense. Oo-mox is the functional Ferengi equivalent to a blow or hand job and Ferengi males have no inhibitions about having it performed in public. Then there’s the whole thing with Ferengi females essentially being property of their male relatives and forbidden to wear any clothing (like a bizarre version of Saudi Arabia). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/69 "2016-08-20T00:22:15Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > I suspect he just wanted an excuse to keep the miniskirts and was getting flack from the executives. He tended to be a bit of a pervert. “Highly sexed” is now synonymous with “pervert”? My, how times have changed! ☹ And it’s spelled “flak,” not “flack.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/70 "2016-08-20T06:38:04Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > “Highly sexed” is now synonymous with “pervert”? My, how times have changed! ☹ > > And it’s spelled “flak,” not “flack.” 😃 Yeah, he was a skirt-chaser but not a pervert. As far as I know he didn’t go for really young girls nor was he kinky in any way. He was essentially like Shatner’s Kirk… ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/71 "2016-08-20T07:03:01Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > Yeah, he was a skirt-chaser but not a pervert. As far as I know he didn’t go for really young girls nor was he kinky in any way. He was essentially like Shatner’s Kirk… Except that’s a myth about Kirk. “A stack of books with legs” “In his class you either think or sink”…bullied at the Academy. So much so he didn’t seem to get over it. Besides…he’s a terrible kisser. Have you seen him??? He just smashes the womans lips and they stand there!! And the green-skinned chick thing?? He met one. She was nuts. He wanted nothing to do with her. ---
**Author:** ![Chihuahua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dec6dc/32.png) [@Chihuahua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chihuahua)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/72 "2016-08-20T11:59:59Z")
I actually really liked the red double-breasted movie uniforms. My favorites by far. Since that wasn’t an option, I voted for DS9. I love Sisko’s grey and black vest over the red shirt. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/73 "2016-08-20T12:24:04Z")
If I could afford to be a bit more choosy with my clothing purchases, I would opt for the Voyager look in terms of colour combinations with a suggestion of the uniform - a black top with coloured shoulders and a mustard t-shirt, and variations thereof, would please me greatly. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/74 "2016-08-21T04:02:46Z")
> [@Chihuahua](#): > > I actually really liked the red double-breasted movie uniforms. My favorites by far. In the time-travel Next Gen episode _Yesterday’s Enterprise_ the crew on the Enterprise-C wear a slightly more ‘modern’, less busy version of that uniform, which makes sense as they would have served in between the two. [Here’s a picture of one.](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/63/Rachel_Garrett.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130507025403&path-prefix=en) In reality, to save money, they actually _were_ the costumes from the TOS movies but without the turtleneck collars and belts. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/75 "2016-08-21T15:24:47Z")
Didn’t like those. They looked like they’d dressed in a hurry and forgot some things. Wesley’s dad in the holoprogram he left for his son, and Picard in his youth in “Tapestry,” also wore those. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/76 "2016-08-21T15:36:34Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > In the time-travel Next Gen episode _Yesterday’s Enterprise_ the crew on the Enterprise-C wear a slightly more ‘modern’, less busy version of that uniform, which makes sense as they would have served in between the two. > > [Here’s a picture of one.](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/63/Rachel_Garrett.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130507025403&path-prefix=en) > > In reality, to save money, they actually _were_ the costumes from the TOS movies but without the turtleneck collars and belts. Kelsey Grammer showed up, complete with turtleneck, in [_Cause And Effect_](http://www.st-spike.org/images/uniforms/2278-2350/a7.jpg), since that time-tossed ship wasn’t from the in-between years. I never realized it before, but Grammer is pretty danged Shatnerian, ain’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/77 "2016-08-23T02:16:44Z")
One thing I think the reboot got right was going back to the original series uniforms and updating them. I’m glad to see the return to the classic color combinations but modernized. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/78 "2016-08-23T02:23:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > One thing I think the reboot got right was going back to the original series uniforms and updating them. I’m glad to see the return to the classic color combinations but modernized. The tunics remind me of the perforated polyester jerseys my mother used to buy at Target for my younger brother back in the '80s. Yeccch! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/79 "2016-08-23T02:31:10Z")
I just started watching _The Motion Picture_ on Hulu for the first time in who knows how long. The uniforms are actually pretty decent. And in the briefing scene they actually look really good—comfortable and sleek— (The only weird thing is that they’re all zipped up the back, which is necessary for movie production, but would be impractical in real life) — — [http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-janice-rand-18685092-1920-822.jpg](http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-janice-rand-18685092-1920-822.jpg) — [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5DhGMA0lPbA/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5DhGMA0lPbA/maxresdefault.jpg) — [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DhGMA0lPbA) — Transporter room scene with Chapel, Sulu, Rand, Chekov, Kirk, and Scotty all looking pretty good — [http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-janice-rand-18685086-1920-822.jpg](http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-janice-rand-18685086-1920-822.jpg) The women’s uniforms even look feminine and attractive without being sexist and exploitative—they’re just like the men’s uniforms but cut for a feminine figure — —Uhura: [![](http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/5736/8632589_3.jpg?v=8CE71410914F540) ](http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/5736/8632589_3.jpg?v=8CE71410914F540) [![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XV4V_CV8_5Y/UiEuBOAN9zI/AAAAAAAAJcI/X7QDKwIXKmY/s1600/sttmp.jpg) ](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XV4V_CV8_5Y/UiEuBOAN9zI/AAAAAAAAJcI/X7QDKwIXKmY/s1600/sttmp.jpg) [![](http://www.thesnipenews.com/thegutter/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/Star-Trek-Motion-picture.jpg) ](http://www.thesnipenews.com/thegutter/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/Star-Trek-Motion-picture.jpg) — Chapel: [http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/db\_articles/3cdd57d545c846d5c733f3c2dc22b64c5821d5e1.jpg](http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/db_articles/3cdd57d545c846d5c733f3c2dc22b64c5821d5e1.jpg) [![](https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a0/36/88/a036887a936327a017fd435ff0506230.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a0/36/88/a036887a936327a017fd435ff0506230.jpg) — Rand: [![](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W4U_DVRxhBI/VPC7JHZEO6I/AAAAAAAAGHI/YpG_Aw1fNZs/s1600/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-janice-rand-18685104-1920-822.jpg) ](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W4U_DVRxhBI/VPC7JHZEO6I/AAAAAAAAGHI/YpG_Aw1fNZs/s1600/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-janice-rand-18685104-1920-822.jpg) [![](https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f1/34/cc/f134cc50dec707084c6b3809c13ee1e9.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f1/34/cc/f134cc50dec707084c6b3809c13ee1e9.jpg) — Ilia: [http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/tmpreview/deckerilia.pg.jpg](http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/tmpreview/deckerilia.pg.jpg) — of course she then spent most of the movie in the shortest bathrobe ever —[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e2/26/91/e2269130305c306a04fc708cf1c2609a.jpg](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e2/26/91/e2269130305c306a04fc708cf1c2609a.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994/80 "2016-09-06T00:27:33Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > And they looked like they had some (replicated?) cotton or wool to them. Some of the polyester specials? I honestly felt bad for the actors. > > Honestly, working all day on a set in a “polyester special” uniform must have made every single person on board smell like feet. > > “Captain! We have a containment field breach at the Sonic Showers! Reports are coming in of crewmen passing out within two decks of the affected area!” > “Erect an emergency Level 9 Containment field around the sonic showers and flood all the affected decks with Lysol Gas. I’m on my way…” It’s worse than you think, gene decided that spandex was the material of the future so season 1 and 2 that’s what the uniforms were made of. Spandex retains any smell and is almost impossible to fully clean. Heck they even smelled like the dry cleaning chemicals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starfleet-uniforms-which-series-is-the-best/762994.md?page=3)