# Stargate Universe: "Incursion" SEASON FINALE (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005 "2010-06-05T00:57:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/41 "2010-06-10T16:14:37Z")
> [@kasuo](#): > > IIRC the Ancients were from Earth as the “first evolution” of humans long before our version of humanity. > > As for how they ended up in the Ori galaxy, I’m in the dark about it. No, they originated in the Ori galaxy and came to live on Earth long before humans evolved. > **[Ancient](https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient)** > > Ancients or The Ancients, also known as Ancestors/The Ancestors, Lanteans, Atlantean and Gate Builders, or Anquietas in their language, were a race of prehistoric, technologically advanced humans and were one of the most powerful races known to have... Edit: Actually, I don’t think I should say “before humans evolved” since I think Ancients seeded humans there. ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/42 "2010-06-10T19:45:58Z")
Reading the wikia article you posted **duality** , seems I missed a lot of backstory from both SG1 and Atlantis. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/43 "2010-06-10T19:47:12Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > Hate to be a wet blanket but SGU has been a huge disappointment to me. > > When it started I thought that it was great, it was dark and realistic, and you never knew what was going to happen next and all of the main characters were at risk of being killed off which obviously heightened the tension . > > But what do we get? > > You’ve got a whole mysterious universe out there, a veritable world of wonder and adventure… > > And the whole series spends its time concentrating on squabbles between the main characters, or squabbles between GROUPS of the main characters. > > Sorry, but when I’m (figuratively) in an exotic, unknown environment I couldn’t care less about people using this as a pretext to play power games or petty politics. > > If I want to see that I can go round to my local working men’s club any day of the week, not have to get stranded on an alien spaceship, destination unknown. This. There’s a huge universe of wonder out there and show spends HUGE chunks of time fussing with personality conflicts and tedious sketches of character angst. I’m really wondering if it’s simply a budget limitation that they don’t have much CGI money and have to avoid it as much as possible. I really get the same vibe in the writing in this show that I did in “Enterprise” re contorted, borderline non-sensical plots. I get a lot more of a soap opera vibe in SGU vs any semblance of genuine love for good sci fi action. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/44 "2010-06-12T05:36:22Z")
Stunningly bad writing. Terrible. After watching the second part, I honestly don’t care what happens to anyone other than Eli. Col Young is incompetent, and Mulan should have been executed after the mutiny. Hey, note that between 100% atmo and 0% there’s a point (say 10-15%) where people can be unconscious but not dead. Evacuate the gate room to that point. Then when everyone’s unconscious, toss the baddies out the nearest airlock. Problem solved. Instead the worthless Young allows the ship to be captured and his people to be wounded. No one on this show even looks like he has any military training. Not a one. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/45 "2010-06-12T05:39:15Z")
Are we doing part two here too? Good episode. The ship problem explanation made more sense than I thought it would. I thought they’d do something with the guy that disappeared in the chair. But would the ‘ionizing radiation’ from a pulsar really disintegrate someone? I realized that Stargate series have followed the Trek sequence - 1) Regular space travel centered around Earth 2) A distant space station 3) A ship stranded far from home. The scene where they modify the shields also reminded me of Star Trek First Contact where they are trying to dismantle the deflector array. I found the ‘attempts to run in magnetic boots’ scenes to be amusing. The violence was very graphic. I was slightly uncomfortable watching those scenes. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/46 "2010-06-12T06:05:01Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > …I realized that Stargate series have followed the Trek sequence - 1) Regular space travel centered around Earth 2) A distant space station 3) A ship stranded far from home… Og Almighty! Think of what that means for the next spinoff! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/47 "2010-06-12T06:16:50Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Hey, note that between 100% atmo and 0% there’s a point (say 10-15%) where people can be unconscious but not dead. Evacuate the gate room to that point. Then when everyone’s unconscious, toss the baddies out the nearest airlock. Problem solved. Only problem with that is if they notice something’s up it’s “turn the air back on or it’s dead hostages.” I was pretty disappointed at this ending. Cliffhangers are fine if something at least gets resolved. But this ended in the middle of everything. And even with T.J. shot, I’m still not worried. The writers have not given us the idea that the main characters are in an real danger. They need to watch a little Lost. Whether or not you like the show, the writers did a good job of setting up the fact that, except for a couple main characters, pretty much any character could die in any episode. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/48 "2010-06-12T06:19:49Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Og Almighty! Think of what that means for the next spinoff! :eek: A prequel about the discovery of the Stargate? I think they already made it. It was called **Stargate.** ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/49 "2010-06-12T06:35:54Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Only problem with that is if they notice something’s up it’s “turn the air back on or it’s dead hostages.” When the gate was dialing in. Young was waiting to evacuate the air, then didn’t. Before they had any hostages. In part 1. The gate opens, and people tumble out into a room and never wake up. Quite simple. Or just shoot them one by one as they came through the gate. After that there were still plenty of advantages. Claymores at the entrances to the gate room, etc. I mean, come on. They had tactical advantages all over the place that they pissed away. Sacrifice Mulan during the prisoner exchange to mow down the baddies in the hall. They lose their leader and then in the confusion they’re vulnerable, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Jormungandr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@Jormungandr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jormungandr)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/50 "2010-06-12T09:21:30Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > When the gate was dialing in. Young was waiting to evacuate the air, then didn’t. Before they had any hostages. In part 1. The gate opens, and people tumble out into a room and never wake up. Quite simple. > > Or just shoot them one by one as they came through the gate. > > After that there were still plenty of advantages. Claymores at the entrances to the gate room, etc. > > I mean, come on. They had tactical advantages all over the place that they pissed away. > > Sacrifice Mulan during the prisoner exchange to mow down the baddies in the hall. They lose their leader and then in the confusion they’re vulnerable, etc. Make you wish they had some Russians on the ship (i.e suicide pills, everyone’s expendable, etc. ) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/51 "2010-06-12T13:54:25Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Stunningly bad writing. Terrible. After watching the second part, I honestly don’t care what happens to anyone other than Eli. > > Col Young is incompetent, and Mulan should have been executed after the mutiny. > > Hey, note that between 100% atmo and 0% there’s a point (say 10-15%) where people can be unconscious but not dead. Evacuate the gate room to that point. Then when everyone’s unconscious, toss the baddies out the nearest airlock. Problem solved. > > Instead the worthless Young allows the ship to be captured and his people to be wounded. > > No one on this show even looks like he has any military training. Not a one. I quite liked this episode, actually. And as for Col. Young being incompetent - well, the show _acknowledged_ that he’d made a bad call in not venting the air from the gate room. General O’Neil chewed him out for it. One of the things that makes this series interesting is that it really does live up to the tagline from the early promos “the wrong people in the wrong place.” Col. Young wasn’t slated to take command of the Destiny expedition because he refused it - he thought he wasn’t up for it. And he wasn’t - he’s muddling through, as best as he can, and he makes bad mistakes. As do the other characters - but that isn’t bad writing, it’s people screwing up. One thing I did think was odd was that Telford seemed to be in a position of authority among the Lucian Aliance. That’s very strange. “Oh, hey, we’ve brainwashed this guy into fighting for us with ancient technology we don’t even vaguely understand - let’s give him a really high slot in the chain of command!” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/52 "2010-06-12T14:06:20Z")
I was disappointed with how they used Eli. The guy is a genius problem solver. That’s what he does. He’s not as well educated as Rush, but he’s a better problem solver. Putting him in unexplored areas of Destiny and giving him access to consoles was a perfect opportunity for Eli to do something really cool. Instead, it was that same old story about feeling like the consolation prize which we’ve already done, and at the end the heroic thing he’s going to do is simply pushing a button and opening a door. Waste of the character’s potential, I thought. Interesting question about the pulsars though. I wonder if the radiation could ash someone like that? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/53 "2010-06-12T14:24:25Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Interesting question about the pulsars though. I wonder if the radiation could ash someone like that? I wonder if the radiation could ash _Chloe_ like that. Good grief, she’s irritating. More seriously - ionizing radiation doesn’t kill people that way, unless it’s generating enough heat when it hits to cook you the old-fashioned way. People should be worried about getting radiation poisoning, not getting cremated - but then, the “there’s a plague on Destiny” thing has been done already this season. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/54 "2010-06-12T17:23:43Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > One of the things that makes this series interesting is that it really does live up to the tagline from the early promos “the wrong people in the wrong place.” Col. Young wasn’t slated to take command of the Destiny expedition because he refused it - he thought he wasn’t up for it. And he wasn’t - he’s muddling through, as best as he can, and he makes bad mistakes. As do the other characters - but that isn’t bad writing, it’s people screwing up. Good point. When it started, it seemed like no one knew what to do but Young had a good handle on things. Now it’s really more of the opposite. Probably why Young is my fav character. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/55 "2010-06-12T20:37:14Z")
_$%&_(@ing cliffhangers. What was that about “next time we take supplies through in the first wave”? Next time? Wha? Does that mean the LA has a plan to gate back and forth? ---
**Author:** ![Picard\_Kills\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@Picard\_Kills\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Picard_Kills_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/56 "2010-06-12T21:37:05Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > _$%&_(@ing cliffhangers. > > What was that about “next time we take supplies through in the first wave”? Next time? Wha? Does that mean the LA has a plan to gate back and forth? Could be. I also got the impression it could mean there is more than one 9th chevron address (not necessarily another Destiny, maybe just a planet) and maybe the LA have one if them. Or it could have been a really stupid line. I don’t understand why the control transfer stopped when Telford was shot. Usually if I’m transferring something on the computer, I can make some lunch and it will still transfer. Maybe as he was dying he hit the stop button accidentally? As mentioned earlier, the violence was kicked up a notch this episode, especially the way the solder died when Johansen was shot. Ouch! ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/57 "2010-06-13T02:55:30Z")
I am all in favor of SGU becoming darker, but in a Shield, Rescue Me, or Breaking Bad sense, not in a violence porn sense. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/58 "2010-06-13T15:07:00Z")
The writers really seems to have a thing for using up a ton of time each show on emotional vignettes vs action or things that move the plot along. Plus the commander is being portrayed as not particularly effective captain with anger management issues who makes a lot of terrible, borderline boneheaded decisions. I never watched BSG so maybe a crew full of anti-heros is the new wave in sci-fi writing, but it’s not must see TV by any stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Kylede](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@Kylede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kylede)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/59 "2010-06-14T04:42:05Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Plus the commander is being portrayed as not particularly effective captain with anger management issues who makes a lot of terrible, borderline boneheaded decisions. DUH, it has been mentioned many times on the show the Young was never meant to command this mission. He was , in all probability, gonna be sent back to Earth real soon anyway. He was a Colonel who was married, and had and affair with a lower ranked officer under his direct comand. Court-marshal procedings could have happened, but it would have had to be with all “Stargate” security cleared personelle. It would have probably have lead to his resigning his commision, and it all hushed up. He is not a good commander, just a commander who got stuck in this position, and i think the writers are genius to keep him this way. Of the 3 leader-types (Young, Rush, and Wray) there is no obvious “hero” choice for the audience to root for. Even the junior officers aren’t great peoeple, deep down. You have Lt. Not-Gay, the big man slut banging Chloe (remember he was banging Lt. Big-boobs in the opening of the first ep). Lt Johanson slept, and got pregnant, by a married, superior officer. I thin having real, flawed people is much more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005/60 "2010-06-14T12:22:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Og Almighty! Think of what that means for the next spinoff! :eek: This was a finale that featured characters from their previous, more-popular series showing up to look awesome, while the characters from this series look like chumps and randomly get killed off for pathos. We’re already there. … heck, RDA even looked as bloated and puffy as Riker did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargate-universe-incursion-season-finale-open-spoilers/542005.md?page=4)