# Stargirl **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [June 3, 2020, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965 "2020-06-03T07:01:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/61 "2020-06-17T23:42:38Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Say, you think the bratty younger brother finds the pen and accidentally says the magic words to bring out the Thunderbolt? > > I think it seems likely. What say you? The brother will somehow end up involved with the team, that sounds as likely as any other possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/62 "2020-06-17T23:42:54Z")
I’m not sure that bratty little brother would be caught dead with anything pink. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/63 "2020-06-17T23:51:17Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Say, you think the bratty younger brother finds the pen and accidentally says the magic words to bring out the Thunderbolt? > > I think it seems likely. What say you? That’s the bratty younger brother with a pal named Jakeem, right? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/64 "2020-06-17T23:59:22Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Say, you think the bratty younger brother finds the pen and accidentally says the magic words to bring out the Thunderbolt? > > I think it seems likely. What say you? I saw what you did. ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/65 "2020-06-18T04:05:43Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Apparently, all of this show’s version of the JSA got their powers from tech or magic gizmos. Even Wildcat, who in the comics was just a really good fighter, but in the show has a high-tech catsuit that gives the wearer enhanced agility and claws. It’s not clear where this tech comes from, though. Dr. Mid-Nite apparently created his goggles, and Hourman invented the hourglass that gave him his powers, but did a boxer invent a super-suit? > > They did answer a question I had above - this version of Hourman didn’t get his powers from ingesting Miraclo, he got them from an hourglass gizmo linked to his DNA…somehow. Which is also related to him being a genius chemist…somehow. So, his son inherits the Hourglass, having enough DNA in common to use it. Of the JSA members used on the show, all of them except for The Flash and Wildcat got powers from a piece of equipment or a magical artifact. Since the show looks like it is going to focus on brand new inexperienced heroes, having them all get powers from gadgets or artifacts passed out by Courtney makes sense as it keeps things simple. The original Wildcat, Ted Grant, was just a really good fighter back in the day. At some point (never shown in the comics) he gained the blessing of nine lives, which was used to explain how he could still be running around punching people’s faces in 50+ years after he put on the suit. However, Yolanda Montez was second Wildcat in the comics, and she had actual powers like the ones displayed in the episode (agility, claws, climbing),but her powers were innate because she was secretly injected in utero with mutagenic chemicals by a mad scientist who was hoping to kidnap her at birth and raise her with his “family” that eventually became a super-villain team. Having TV Yolanda get her powers from the suit is a lot simpler! Rick Tyler was the heir to the Hourman legacy in the comics. Given that both Rex and Rick Tyler went through numerous stories about dealing with the addictive properties of Miraclo, I can see why this family-friendly superhero show doesn’t want to portray a hero who gets their powers from popping pills, even if the hourglass seems clunky. Of course, Rick, Yolanda, and Beth all made their comics debuts in Infinity Inc., the 80s team book about the young-adult heirs and proteges of the original JSA striking out on their own. Sylvester Pemberton was the founder/leader, and he started calling himself Skyman. Yolanda and Beth have long been dead in the comics, as they were killed off in one of the big DC event crossovers of the 90s years before the JSA title was launched in the late 90s. As far as I know, Rick Tyler is still Hourman in the current JSA. Infinity inc. is also where the second generation of the ISA started making their debuts: Cameron Makhent, Artemis Crock, and Henry King, Jr. for starters. Fun fact: Sylvester Pemberton had an adopted sister named Merry. She discovered that her brother was the Star-Spangled Kid and made a costumed identity for herself as Merry, the Girl of 1000 Gimmicks so she could tag along with her brother. After never appearing again after her adventures in the 40s, it was revealed that a) she had passed away and b) she was the mother of Henry King, Jr. If Courtney is right about being Starman’s daughter, this would make them cousins! ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/66 "2020-06-18T04:11:25Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Say, you think the bratty younger brother finds the pen and accidentally says the magic words to bring out the Thunderbolt? > > I think it seems likely. What say you? His friend Jakeem, who should be coming over to dinner shortly, is likely Jakeem Thunder, who inherited the Thunderbolt from Johnny Thunder. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/67 "2020-06-23T07:41:34Z")
I’m disappointed that we didn’t get any new JL members this week. When they first showed Runny McFootballgirl, I thought they were setting up the new Flash. (She still could be later, I suppose–a major disappointment to her parents.) ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/68 "2020-06-23T08:22:25Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I’m disappointed that we didn’t get any new JL members this week. It’s not the Justice _League_, it’s the Justice _Society_. I don’t think we’re getting any more new members soon, since Pat took back the accouterments. Except for the pink pen. We’ll probably see Johnny Thunder in a few episodes. Fantastic episode this week. The big fight between the new JSA and Sportsmaster+Tigress was especially well done. Also some good character moments between Courtney and Pat, when Pat was subtly impressing on Courtney how annoying it was to talk to someone who wasn’t listening to you. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/69 "2020-06-23T11:54:40Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I’m disappointed that we didn’t get any new JL members this week. When they first showed Runny McFootballgirl, I thought they were setting up the new Flash. (She still could be later, I suppose–a major disappointment to her parents.) That’s Artemis Crock, aka [the archer hero/villain Artemis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_Crock). They’re setting up Artemis. As I wrote above, I’m guessing they’re going to introduce her costumed identity as a enemy/rival for the JSA, Jr., then have her follow a character arc to redemption and joining the JSA, Jr. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/70 "2020-06-23T11:59:37Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > I don’t think we’re getting any more new members soon, since Pat took back the accouterments. Except for the pink pen. We’ll probably see Johnny Thunder in a few episodes. > > Fantastic episode this week. The big fight between the new JSA and Sportsmaster+Tigress was especially well done. Also some good character moments between Courtney and Pat, when Pat was subtly impressing on Courtney how annoying it was to talk to someone who wasn’t listening to you. Agree with all of that. I didn’t watch much of _Arrow_ - were their fight scenes done that well? Because this scene seemed in a whole other league from what I’ve seen on _Flash_, _Legends of Tommorow_, or _Supergirl_. One character bit that I really liked but was also a bit disappointed by was the dead security guard. It was a really good character moment when their fun super-Goonies adventure was interrupted by finding a victim of brutal violence. But then the characters and the show itself just completely forgot about him. I really would have liked the show to have explored that a bit more. I did appreciate when Pat mentioned dead magician kid, and that seemed to visibly shake Courtney. At least they’re showing some lasting effects of trauma, instead of always forgetting peoples’ deaths by the next episode. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/71 "2020-06-23T14:18:07Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I didn’t watch much of _Arrow_ - were their fight scenes done that well? Because this scene seemed in a whole other league from what I’ve seen on _Flash_ , _Legends of Tommorow_ , or _Supergirl_ . _Stargirl_ is a DC Universe show that the CW gets in (very quick) reruns, so you can’t really compare the quality. (I personally find the CW shows–like most CW shows–unwatchable.) ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/72 "2020-06-23T14:28:43Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > _Stargirl_ is a DC Universe show that the CW gets in (very quick) reruns, so you can’t really compare the quality. (I personally find the CW shows–like most CW shows–unwatchable.) My understanding is that it’s a co-production, sharing show runner(s) with the CW Arrowverse shows, which airs on DC Universe first. But if anything, DC Universe shows have even lower budgets and production values than CW shows. _Doom Patrol_ has done amazing things with its budget, but I don’t remember them even trying that kind of fight scene. I slogged through two seasons of _Titans_, and its production values were usually threadbare even compared to low-end CW shows. And _Swamp Thing_…I could barely make it through the first episode. I enjoy _Flash_ and _Legends of Tomorrow_, and loved the first season or so of _Supergirl_ (before it got bogged down in relationship drama). But, the effects are often distractingly terrible and even the practical effects and stuntwork are often uninspiring. _Stargirl_, so far, seems leaps and bounds above either the CW Arrowverse shows or the other DC Universe live-action shows. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/73 "2020-06-23T15:31:48Z")
_Arrow_’s fights were rather inconsistent throughout the seasons. Many have been rather pedestrian. Sometimes they’re great. The fights took a noticeable rise in quality when stunt coordinator James Bamford was promoted to producer. He also directed a few episodes and the fights there were fantastic. After _Arrow_ ended, the stunt team moved over to _Batwoman_, to the benefit of the latter show. Bamford also directed an episode of _Batwoman_ and the fight scenes therein was also fantastic. Of course, both _Arrow_ and _Batwoman_ rely less on VFX and more on stunt work. I don’t recall seeing anything approaching the quality of the _Stargirl_ fight at any time in the Arrowverse. It ws really a step above. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/74 "2020-06-23T16:34:23Z")
Will Stargirl get together with Starfire? Fellow DCer ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/75 "2020-06-24T02:04:01Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Fantastic episode this week. The big fight between the new JSA and Sportsmaster+Tigress was especially well done. Also some good character moments between Courtney and Pat, when Pat was subtly impressing on Courtney how annoying it was to talk to someone who wasn’t listening to you. Yeah. Very good episode. I appreciated them having Sportsmaster use his traditional weapons and still be a menacing opponent. It would have been really easy to show him as a harmless goofball - but somehow, he’s both dangerous (and a bit of a goofball, still). Interesting to see the dynamics of the Injustice Society already. Definitely not a united group. I think Pat implied tonight that a sufficiently competent chemist could make Hourman permanently strong… ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/76 "2020-06-24T22:44:13Z")
I think it was more than sufficiently competent. But I do think he emphasized that the “hour” was a choice. I’m really glad that they lost/were losing. And that they were losing due to lack of training, lack of planning, and lack of skill (there were failures on many fronts). But it was a fun fight scene. I was kind of hoping that the goggles might tell them to take a look at the server room, but it’s much more appropriate that they didn’t. I did love the “be good while we’re out destroying the world” speech. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/77 "2020-06-29T20:07:33Z")
Ok, so the janitor is Shining Knight. I was wrong about Mean Girl becoming Queen Bee. But who is she supposed to be? My Comic Book Geek Fu is failing me. Lady Shiva maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/78 "2020-06-30T05:36:52Z")
Mean Girl’s name is Cindy Burman and the title of the episode is “Shiv, Part One”, which should give you enough clues as to [her identity](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Cindy_Burman_(New_Earth)). ---
**Author:** ![bmoak1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@bmoak1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/79 "2020-06-30T11:10:04Z")
Cindy Burman is Shiv. She’s one of the several elements taken from Courtney’s debut series Stars & STRIPE for the show. She was basically created to be Courtney’s nemesis. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/80 "2020-06-30T12:49:29Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Mean Girl’s name is Cindy Burman and the title of the episode is “Shiv, Part One”, which should give you enough clues as to [her identity](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Cindy_Burman_(New_Earth)) > [@bmoak1](#): > > Cindy Burman is Shiv. She’s one of the several elements taken from Courtney’s debut series Stars & STRIPE for the show. She was basically created to be Courtney’s nemesis. Well, ok then. I guess I’m not as much of a comic book geek as I thought - I don’t think I’ve ever heard of Shiv before. Which is funny - she seems to be the most on-point version of any character that’s appeared so far, but she’s the only one so far I haven’t recognized. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965.md?page=5)