# Stargirl **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [June 3, 2020, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965 "2020-06-03T07:01:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/101 "2020-07-15T14:47:26Z")
I assume so. I really hope they tell her something - having her remain totally clueless is idiotic. (Also, hopefully, we can either confirm or clear the idea that Starman is Courtney’s father. It’s a stupid “mystery.” It needs to go.) But her comment about “families” at dinner was creepy as hell. I liked that they wrote Yolanda threatening her ex. It felt like a thing a teenager with a supersuit would do. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/102 "2020-07-15T15:12:10Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I liked that they wrote Yolanda threatening her ex. It felt like a thing a teenager with a supersuit would do. Agreed. BTW, I loved Icicle’s parents’ evil prayer… “Taking over all the _fully-developed_ minds” means that we have an episode upcoming that is full-on adults versus teens, right? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/103 "2020-07-15T16:02:23Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > BTW, I loved Icicle’s parents’ evil prayer… I’m not very familiar with the comic book version of Icicle, but my impression is that he was a bog-standard ice-themed villain. The show’s version seems to be the scion of an remnant hidden pagan tradition - maybe worshipers of Loki that pretended to convert to Christianity? > [@](#): > > “Taking over all the _fully-developed_ minds” means that we have an episode upcoming that is full-on adults versus teens, right? That’s what I assumed. Which also helps to justify having teen heroes. Allowing kids to get into fights with murderers is always an issue for suspension of disbelief, but if they’re the only ones who can precisely because they’re kids, it may work better. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/104 "2020-07-16T15:09:54Z")
I’m surprised Cindy wasn’t yelling, “Let me out and I’ll tell you Stargirl’s secret identity!” Maybe she isn’t the sharpest shiv in the drawer. 😉 I’m also surprised that Brainwave woke up in this episode; I was sure the season ending shot was going to be his eyes opening. However, that was going to be a problem because he knows Stargirl’s secret identity. Now that Junior knows it too, it’s not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/105 "2020-07-17T00:43:11Z")
I looked up a picture of the Seven Soldiers of Victory as shown in the episode. The “Robin Hood” looking guy was in fact Green Arrow. Speedy was there as well. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/106 "2020-07-17T00:50:03Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > … > > This universe’s version of the Flash is dead. All of the JSA members are dead. > > … > Dr. Mid-Nite: blind surgeon who can see in darkness, and often uses darkness creating gadgets. The source material is inconsistent as to whether his blind-sight is a meta-human power or comes from high-tech goggles. I’m going to assume the series is going with high-tech goggles. Probably not too many surgeons in the local high school, but just about anyone could learn to use the goggles and “black-out grenades”. > > … > > Green Lantern: magic ring and a magic lantern. Find a worthy ring-bearer, ala the Cosmic Staff. > > Hourman: used a super-chemical, Miraclo, that gives super-strength (sometimes other abilities, depending on the source material) to the user for an hour. Figuring out how to recreate the Miraclo is an in-show challenge, and figuring out a good reason why only one person can use it is a meta-show challenge. > > Johnny Thunder: had a genie in a mundane object (in this case, a pink pen). Just find someone to command the genie. > > Wildcat: championship boxer (and in modern terms, MMA fighter). I don’t know how you recruit a replacement for him from a high school. Like the Flash, there seems to be an implication that the show’s version might have gotten enhanced abilities from his cat-mask, maybe? > > … Stripsey isnt dead, and apparently some of the Seven Soldiers of Victory are alive. Yes, Wildcat’s “power” was originally just a really good pro boxer, but later on he gained a few powers. In this version his powers come in his cowled mask, but you have to be good to start with. My prediction is that Stargirls kinda bratty brother gets to be the keeper of Johnny Thunder’s genie. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/107 "2020-07-17T00:52:01Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > This is a universe where a pair of glasses is a foolproof disguise. and a new hairstyle , and a new posture, and a different way of talking and a completely different personality. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/108 "2020-07-17T00:57:56Z")
Also why he is a tough customer for Supes- Grundy is powered by magic. But Grundy isnt evil- just angry, stupid and easily misled. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/109 "2020-07-17T01:39:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Stripsey isnt dead, and apparently some of the Seven Soldiers of Victory are alive. Stripsey was only kinda sorta a member of the JSA in this show’s continuity. He says he was, but all of the evidence we the viewers have seems to indicate that the other members of the JSA didn’t consider him a member (for example, they apparently didn’t even tell him about their final showdown with the ISA). So far, only one of the Seven Soldiers (Shining Knight aka the janitor) has been shown to be alive. Pat claims he was a full member, but, well, as Courtney pointed out, there were eight of them including Pat but they called themselves the _Seven_ Soldiers of Victory. > [@](#): > > Yes, Wildcat’s “power” was originally just a really good pro boxer, but later on he gained a few powers. In this version his powers come in his cowled mask, but you have to be good to start with. AFAIK, in the comics, the only power he ever gained was some sort of vague “nine lives”, which was mainly used to explain him both being an in-continuity Golden Age hero of the 1940s and a modern hero. There’s also no particular indication in the show that you do have to be good to start with, but it presumably doesn’t hurt. If the cowl/suit enhances your natural abilities, and you’re a natural athlete to start with, presumably you’re better off than if you started as a couch potato, but there’s no indication that it’s necessary. > [@](#): > > My prediction is that Stargirls kinda bratty brother gets to be the keeper of Johnny Thunder’s genie. Discussed upthread. It’s possible, but Mike mentioned having a friend named Jakeem over, and in the comics, Jakeem Thunder was Johnny Thunder’s successor as the keeper of the Thunderbolt. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Also why he is a tough customer for Supes- Grundy is powered by magic. > > But Grundy isnt evil- just angry, stupid and easily misled. Except when he _is_ evil. As I noted upthread, Grundy’s depictions in the comics have been all over the map. His usual persona is either a mindless, violent brute, or an actively malicious brute. He has occasionally been depicted as being, as you state, just angry, stupid and easily misled. But he’s also been depicted as knowingly evil. I’d guess the show is going to go with the angry, stupid and easily misled version - it would certainly fit with the show’s tone if Courtney befriends him. But we’ve also seen the show doesn’t shy away from darker character moments, so I think it’s just as likely that Courtney will _think_ he’s just angry, stupid and easily misled only to find out to her cost that he’s actually actively malicious. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/110 "2020-07-17T01:51:37Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > I looked up a picture of the Seven Soldiers of Victory as shown in the episode. The “Robin Hood” looking guy was in fact Green Arrow. Speedy was there as well. Yep. I’m guessing the show avoided name-checking him to avoid confusing viewers only familiar with Green Arrow from the show _Arrow_. Pat didn’t name-check Shining Knight, either, probably because of the ongoing sub-plot about teasing the Janitor’s true identity. They’re really plumbing the depths of DC’s Golden Age - Crimson Avenger? And _Wing_? Having both did give them the opportunity to include in a single photo both of Crimson Avenger’s wildly different costume styles - the super cool mystery man outfit with the Inverness coat, and the goofy tights outfit with the fin on the head. Also - the Seven Soldiers of Victory apparently included in the count two sidekicks, Speedy and Wing, but _not_ Stripesy. The show really likes dumping on Pat. Was he just a really awful sidekick? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/111 "2020-07-17T02:09:40Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Also - the Seven Soldiers of Victory apparently included in the count two sidekicks, Speedy and Wing, but _not_ Stripesy. The show really likes dumping on Pat. Was he just a really awful sidekick? Apparently. Starman’s dying words were something on the order of “The Staff goes to someone worthy, so, you know, not you, Pat.” ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/112 "2020-07-19T19:22:20Z")
New guess for season-ending shot: a kid at school is shown wearing Green Lantern’s ring. (Maybe Cindy’s previous “friend”.) ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/113 "2020-07-21T00:16:44Z")
Well, that got really dark. I don’t just mean the ending - Wildcat and Stargirl were straight up killing Dragon King’s mooks. Easter eggs in the establishing shot of Blue Valley at the beginning of the episode: the marquee showed the current movie playing as “Strange Adventures”, and the theater had posters for “Unknown Soldier”, “Prez”, and “G.I. Robot”. All of those were DC Comics series and/or characters. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/114 "2020-07-21T13:55:53Z")
Courtney didn’t even need the Cosmic Staff to mow down dozens of mooks. Dr. Ito should find a better source of minions. Granted, that may be hard in America’s heartland. This episode (as well as the previous one) did of good job of getting us to warm up to Henry before pulling out the rug from under us. Just to underscore the point, they even arranged to have Courtney think that they’re cousins. I am hoping that they’ll do the comic book thing and bring back Brainwave, Jr. in some fashion. The possibility for that is low, though. This is the show, after all, that killed off the entire JSA (sans Stripesy) in the opening ten minutes. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/115 "2020-07-21T14:31:52Z")
> [@bmoak](#): > > Fun fact: Sylvester Pemberton had an adopted sister named Merry. She discovered that her brother was the Star-Spangled Kid and made a costumed identity for herself as Merry, the Girl of 1000 Gimmicks so she could tag along with her brother. After never appearing again after her adventures in the 40s, it was revealed that a) she had passed away and b) she was the mother of Henry King, Jr. If Courtney is right about being Starman’s daughter, this would make them cousins! @bmoak1 you called it. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/116 "2020-07-21T14:36:19Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Courtney didn’t even need the Cosmic Staff to mow down dozens of mooks. Dr. Ito should find a better source of minions. Granted, that may be hard in America’s heartland. I don’t think the show has actually specified who or what his mooks are, but he did make a passing reference to “conditioning” them. The impression I have is that they’re vat grown barely sapient deformed clones (hence the hunched posture, lurching gait, speechlessness, etc.). Which, I guess, maybe makes it more ok that Wildcat and Stargirl were slashing their throats and disemboweling them? Except, they had no way to know any of that, so as far as they knew, they were gruesomely killing actual human beings, which is pretty damn dark for a teen hero show. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/117 "2020-07-21T15:32:37Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I don’t just mean the ending - Wildcat and Stargirl were straight up killing Dragon King’s mooks. Noticed that. “Oh, she’s going to use the butt of the spear. Okay, maybe not.” ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/118 "2020-07-22T02:00:59Z")
Were Jordan’s parents implying that Jordan intends to take a machine-brainwashed Barbara as his wife? Sounded a bit like it. Wow. Brainwave killed Merry. I thought it was dark enough that she killed herself after the ISA killed her brother. Barbara’s been keeping a pretty big secret herself, hasn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/119 "2020-07-22T15:10:46Z")
Nice episode with plenty of good touches. I like the fact that the characters can do stupid things without seeming stupid – just young and inexperienced. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965/120 "2020-07-22T18:14:15Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > I like the fact that the characters can do stupid things without seeming stupid – just young and inexperienced. In the same lane, I have to give credit for Henry for not just running off half-cocked when he heard his father’s thoughts. He went to find out more information. When he found Icicle & Brainwave with the staff, he didn’t just burst in, he bided his time. It was pretty solid thinking for a teenager and remarkably good thinking for a teenager in a superhero show. That did get dark. I expected Henry to last until season 2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stargirl/854965.md?page=7)