# START, get a LiveJournal. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972 "2005-06-27T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/121 "2005-06-28T15:10:19Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > He needs limits and guidance-not snark. But, in the absence of limits and guidance, how lucky he must be to have your pop psychoanalysis of his character, life troubles, and needs based solely on his posts to this messageboard. > [@eleanoribgy](#): > > Again, I find myself quoting myself, an odd position to be in. Please be aware that if the statement is too fucking boring or stupid for people to have read or cared about it the first fucking time, quoting it again won’t help. YMMV Now, I hope you’ll put down the banner of the “_Save **START** Society_”, but I doubt you will. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/122 "2005-06-28T15:24:39Z")
I’d just like to disavow the pile-ons going on against some of the other posters in this thread. I’m suspicious of **START** ’s _bona fides_, but I’m not going to lend my name to things like > [@Greathouse](#): > > Please be aware that if the statement is too fucking boring or stupid for people to have read or cared about it the first fucking time, quoting it again won’t help. YMMV directed at **eleanorigby** , who I generally think of as a fine, funny, and very nice Doper. Her being willing to give **START** the benefit of the doubt is something I can disagree with without attacking her personally, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/123 "2005-06-28T15:39:06Z")
**Greathouse** --you sound like an angry person. Was your post intended to be a chastisement of mine? Based on it I should change my mind and “put down the banner [etc]”? That makes me smile. Pop psychology? Not really. It’s more experience with teens and teens who are grieving. Grief is odd thing; YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Pythian\_Habenero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@Pythian\_Habenero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythian_Habenero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/124 "2005-06-28T15:40:49Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I’d say that’s a pretty safe bet. I’m not actually certain if I’m being insulted here. Is this meant to imply that the post I made containing that statement was invalid as a whole, or are you just taking the opportunity to quote my own disclaimers at me in hope of tweaking my antlers? I must say that, if the latter, it seems a tad counterintuitive. Care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/125 "2005-06-28T15:43:05Z")
many thanks, **jayjay** –you made my day! Back atcha, even if we don’t agree. I think time will tell. I will say that I would have alot less patience with a fully fledged adult who displayed the posting characteristics that START does upon occasion. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/126 "2005-06-28T15:57:29Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > **Greathouse** --you sound like an angry person. Not angry, just annoyed. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > Was your post intended to be a chastisement of mine? Based on it I should change my mind and “put down the banner [etc]”? That makes me smile. Nope, I didn’t really expect you to change your mind. It simply annoys me when people walks into a perfectly good pit thread and decide they don’t like the tone of the thread. If you want rainbows of love and puppy dog kissses then go hang out in MPSIMS. This is the place to rant about anything, and that includes other posters. Don’t expect calls for restraint and understanding to be taken seriously. Or you can continue calling the people who say things you don’t like “Big Mean Poopyheads”. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > Pop psychology? Not really. It’s more experience with teens and teens who are grieving. Grief is odd thing; YMMV. It’s nice to see that you are so concerned about a grieving teen. Undoubtedly it is not mean (because you’re not mean like us) to point out to a grieving teen who you’ve never met (but oddly feel compelled to believe everything he posts to an anonymous message board)… > [@eleanorigby](#): > > I think Start is a lonely, immature, reactionary and mildy self-destructive teen ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/127 "2005-06-28T16:02:56Z")
> [@Pythian Habenero](#): > > I’m not actually certain if I’m being insulted here. Is this meant to imply that the post I made containing that statement was invalid as a whole, or are you just taking the opportunity to quote my own disclaimers at me in hope of tweaking my antlers? I must say that, if the latter, it seems a tad counterintuitive. Care to explain? I was agreeing with you when you suggested that someone who cannot even remember which side of an issue he is on might find that his words carry little weight. Or rather, I was suggesting that there should be no doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/128 "2005-06-28T16:06:46Z")
rainbows, puppies? Poopyheads? How old are you, 9? I don’t see my “evaluation” of **Start** as mean–it’s my opinion. He has read my stuff before this thread, no doubt he’ll read it in future. It is certainly not, unlike some of this thread, mean-spirited in nature. Far from attempting to change the tone of this thread, I thought I’d bring in a bit of balance. Do you really want to denigrate someone else’s character that much, that less than harsh posts ruin a thread for you? That’s interesting in and of itself. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/129 "2005-06-28T16:17:52Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > rainbows, puppies? > > Poopyheads? > > How old are you, 9? Nope, just trying to put in the correct number of happy shiny references so you’ll maybe be happy with the thread. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > I don’t see my “evaluation” of **Start** as mean–it’s my opinion. He has read my stuff before this thread, no doubt he’ll read it in future. It is certainly not, unlike some of this thread, mean-spirited in nature. Whatever helps you get to sleep at night. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > Far from attempting to change the tone of this thread, I thought I’d bring in a bit of balance. Balance would have been simply disagreeing. Not jumping on the high horse about how mean we all seem to be > [@eleanorigby](#): > > Do you really want to denigrate someone else’s character that much, that less than harsh posts ruin a thread for you? > > That’s interesting in and of itself. It’s not the less than harsh posts. It’s the posts that want everyone to be nice. Fuck that. This is the pit. We don’t have to be nice here and yet we constantly have to have people pop into the thread whose delicate sensabilities can’t handle what’s been said. It’s annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/130 "2005-06-28T16:28:11Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > It simply annoys me when people walks into a perfectly good pit thread and decide they don’t like the tone of the thread. If you want rainbows of love and puppy dog kissses then go hang out in MPSIMS. This is the place to rant about anything, and that includes other posters. It interests me that some posters think that the Pit is some place where you can metaphorically stick the boot in on other posters, and no-one is allowed to cry foul. Where do you get the idea that this forum is a lawless ghetto where anything goes? You rant; you take the consequences. Even when you do have a troop of eager Pit monkeys keen to join in your side. You don’t want to risk you rant being analysed and criticized? Don’t post it here. Go tell it to your dog. ---
**Author:** ![inkleberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f17d59/32.png) [@inkleberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inkleberry)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/131 "2005-06-28T16:29:40Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > But, in the absence of limits and guidance, how lucky he must be to have your pop psychoanalysis of his character, life troubles, and needs based solely on his posts to this messageboard.l. You do realize that START has already posted that he is in a special high school for “bad kids,” and has had to take anger management and other behaviorally rehabilitational classes, correct? It’s not exactly a giant leap of psychology in general to say he’s a wreck and has charecter troubles. And elanorigby is being compassionate and thoughtful, two things which in general one cannot go wrong with. You, however, seem to have chosen the Way of The Bitter Asshat. Shame. ---
**Author:** ![auntie\_em](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@auntie\_em](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auntie_em)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/132 "2005-06-28T16:34:10Z")
Um . . . am I the only person who’s noticed that **START** , who–ahem–started all of this, seems to have taken all of his toys and gone home? ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/133 "2005-06-28T16:35:54Z")
No, I caught his conspicuous absence as well. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/134 "2005-06-28T16:37:48Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > Where do you get the idea that this forum is a lawless ghetto where anything goes? You rant; you take the consequences. What consequences? The consequence of having the board’s self appointed Sunday School teacher come in and tell us all how mean we’re being? If someone wants to either agree or disagree with the premise of the OP then fine. Have at it. But don’t act all shocked when someone says something mean about someone else. That’s what happens here. > [@](#): > > Even when you do have a troop of eager Pit monkeys keen to join in your side. **Pit monkeys**. Ha, good one. > [@](#): > > You don’t want to risk you rant being analysed and criticized? Don’t post it here. Go tell it to your dog. That’s fine, but don’t act all surprised, or high and mighty when you stumble across a thread that is being harsh on someone. ---
**Author:** ![auntie\_em](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@auntie\_em](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auntie_em)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/135 "2005-06-28T16:39:38Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > No, I caught his conspicuous absence as well. Dude, it’s the ultimate irony, isn’t it? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/136 "2005-06-28T16:41:05Z")
Just in case anybody’s wondering, I don’t think the livejournal account “Start” is our boy. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/137 "2005-06-28T16:43:43Z")
> [@inkleberry](#): > > You do realize that START has already posted that he is in a special high school for “bad kids,” and has had to take anger management and other behaviorally rehabilitational classes, correct? It’s not exactly a giant leap of psychology in general to say he’s a wreck and has charecter troubles. And elanorigby is being compassionate and thoughtful, two things which in general one cannot go wrong with. > > You, however, seem to have chosen the Way of The Bitter Asshat. Shame. Yes, I am a bitter asshat. I like the pit. I stay in the pit. I don’t go to other forums (generally) because this place fits me and I like the environment. If someone else doesn’t like it then don’t let the door hit you, and all that. I don’t go into other forums telling them what I think they’re doing wrong and hope they change. Why do people always try to come into the pit and proclaim how mean we all are? Maybe we are mean, but this is the place to be mean. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/138 "2005-06-28T16:51:19Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > I don’t think **START** is lying. He may not explain himself very well and he may elaborate on occasion. But I don’t think he’s lying. And even if he was lying, no-one here has the slightest proof of it, Well, you know, except for that time HE SAID HE WAS and all. But hey, whatever helps your case… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/139 "2005-06-28T17:05:38Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Fuck that. This is the pit. Dude, my previous post should make it clear that I am no fan of **START** ’s, but you’ve gone beyond the pale. You give the impression of having found a thread centered on one of your pet irritations, and instead of simply giving your opinion and adding to the discussion, you’ve decided to jump in with a mighty howl: “WOO HOO! I’m spraying urine everywhere like a mother fuck!” Reflects badly on you, instead of on the person you’re trying to knock down, is all I’m saying. If you care about that whole, y’know, “perspective” thing. Course, if you don’t, well, hey, hose away. ---
**Author:** ![inkleberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f17d59/32.png) [@inkleberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inkleberry)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/140 "2005-06-28T17:10:11Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > No, I caught his conspicuous absence as well. HOW RUDE! of START. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972.md?page=8)