# START, get a LiveJournal. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972 "2005-06-27T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![inkleberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f17d59/32.png) [@inkleberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inkleberry)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/141 "2005-06-28T17:13:42Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Yes, I am a bitter asshat. I like the pit. I stay in the pit. I don’t go to other forums (generally) because this place fits me and I like the environment. If someone else doesn’t like it then don’t let the door hit you, and all that. > > I don’t go into other forums telling them what I think they’re doing wrong and hope they change. Why do people always try to come into the pit and proclaim how mean we all are? Maybe we are mean, but this is the place to be mean. Sooooooo, what you’re saying is you are an incorrigable asshole whose only talent is lurking and sniping? Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby. Good for you for finding your niche! Being mean for a reason is fine. Mean for meanesses sake is just a reflection of a pretty pathetic life. But hey, it’s your special purpose, and far be it from me to stand in the way of that. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/142 "2005-06-28T17:13:51Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Dude, my previous post should make it clear that I am no fan of **START** ’s, but you’ve gone beyond the pale. You give the impression of having found a thread centered on one of your pet irritations, and instead of simply giving your opinion and adding to the discussion, you’ve decided to jump in with a mighty howl: “WOO HOO! I’m spraying urine everywhere like a mother fuck!” > > Reflects badly on you, instead of on the person you’re trying to knock down, is all I’m saying. If you care about that whole, y’know, “perspective” thing. > > Course, if you don’t, well, hey, hose away. Fine point taken. I’ll back away, but it does piss me off when posters do what I have pointed out here. Doesn’t piss me off to the point of needing its own thread, and so I’ll stop hijacking this one. Also, **eleanorigby** has grated on my nerves for quiet a while. If it was pissing me off enough to post about it, I should have started a different thread. But I didn’t. It was my fuckup. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/143 "2005-06-28T17:17:31Z")
> [@inkleberry](#): > > Sooooooo, what you’re saying is you are an incorrigable asshole whose only talent is lurking and sniping? Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby. Good for you for finding your niche! Glad you approve. > [@inkleberry](#): > > Being mean for a reason is fine. Mean for meanesses sake is just a reflection of a pretty pathetic life. But hey, it’s your special purpose, and far be it from me to stand in the way of that. Who have I been mean to in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/144 "2005-06-28T17:23:16Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Cite? 😃 I thought his brother’s rap rhyming was pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/145 "2005-06-28T17:51:39Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > What consequences? The consequence of having the board’s\*\* self appointed Sunday School teacher\*\* come in and tell us all how mean we’re being? If someone wants to either agree or disagree with the premise of the OP then fine. Have at it. But don’t act all shocked when someone says something mean about someone else. That’s what happens here. Bolding mine. I am smiling because I don’t even consider myself Christian! I don’t recall being “shocked” at all by the spewing here. I have seen worse and am certain that there will be worse to come. I think I struck a nerve with **Greathouse** --now, if I can only convince him to look into the light and empty his mind…heheheh. Think rainbows and puppies, kittens and unicorns…bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens; wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings…these are a few of my fav–oops, got carried away. > [@Greathouse](#): > > … It’s the posts that want everyone to be nice. Fuck that. This is the pit. We don’t have to be nice here and yet we constantly have to have people pop into the thread whose delicate sensabilities can’t handle what’s been said. It’s annoying. **Nice?** I don’t expect you to be nice, **Greathouse**. I am a firm believer in not asking too much of people. Sort of a “start slow and taper off” thought process. Nice is too high a standard for you-you are setting yourself up for failure! I think you should start at rudimentary civility, kinda like “me, Tarzan, you Jane”, and then work your way up. It’s a long hard slog to the top, but I have Faith that you’ll make it, someday! \ **FG** , **Ink** and **Cervaise** --thanks for providing balance. Its’ **nice** to see **nice** people in the Pit, expressing their opinions to a \*\* nicety\*\*. (I’m beginning to feel like Nicely-Nicely Johnson here!) ---
**Author:** ![Pythian\_Habenero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@Pythian\_Habenero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythian_Habenero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/146 "2005-06-28T17:58:50Z")
Hmm. Thread seems to be steadily going down the drain, so I’ll permit myself to continue a slightly off-topic discussion. > [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I was agreeing with you when you suggested that someone who cannot even remember which side of an issue he is on might find that his words carry little weight. Or rather, I was suggesting that there should be no doubt it. It’s “she” in my case. And I never said that I couldn’t remember what side of an issue I’m on. I always know exactly which side I’m on. In this thread, I am most definitively not on a side at all, which makes it slightly more difficult for me to recall which side I am attempting to _explain_ at any given time, as evinced by the post to which I was referring. In the post you quoted I proceeded to attempt to categorise the sides as I saw them, thus avoiding the potential of repeating my earlier mistake. As a side note, I believe the phrase you were looking for is “there should be no doubt _of_ it.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/147 "2005-06-28T18:52:26Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > (I’m beginning to feel like Nicely-Nicely Johnson here!) Sit down! You’re rockin’ the boat! (As long as we’re continuing our musical interlude…) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/148 "2005-06-28T20:22:22Z")
> [@auntie em](#): > > Pardon the hijack, but if you can sit through _Kill Bill_, trust me–you can **totally** handle the original _Carrie_. Rent it today. Eh? Don’t you remember William Katt’s hair do? No one should have to endure that again… ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/149 "2005-06-28T20:33:14Z")
**eleanor** , if you can’t see the hypocrisy of believing START with only his words as proof, yet doubting E. Smart despite her having the corroboration of accredited adults, I’m not going to bother explaining further. There should be no need to explain further. I posted a link to this thread in the one that inspired it. Granted, that thread was locked, but that was standard procedure and I followed it. Why isn’t START here? I don’t know. But I hope everyone realizes that the same thing is happening that always happens when START posts one of his threads: We’re arguing amongst ourselves while he is nowhere to be seen. I and others have pointed that out several times already, but we’re still doing it. Good for us. And that includes **Futile** , **eleanor** and **brickbacon**. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/150 "2005-06-28T20:53:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Sit down! You’re rockin’ the boat! > > (As long as we’re continuing our musical interlude…) 😃 Let’s hope the Devil pulls this thread under… 😃 **Rilchiam** --now I see what you were getting at. And I agree that **Start** is conspicous by his absence. Strange that what could be cleared up in a 30 second RL interchange can take hours, if not days, online. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/151 "2005-06-28T21:07:19Z")
We don’t expect anyone to post a favorite celebrity poll in GD. General Questions is for factual answers, not Humble Opinions. You practice your coding in About This Message Board, not Comments on Cecil’s Columns. There are many spankings when someone tarnishes MPSIMS with a flame. So why in thee Keeerist do people feel the need to come into the Pit, where they know that people get toasted, and spout their feel good happy crappy why-can’t-we-all-get-along bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/152 "2005-06-29T08:54:11Z")
> [@Diane](#): > > We don’t expect anyone to post a favorite celebrity poll in GD. > > General Questions is for factual answers, not Humble Opinions. > > You practice your coding in About This Message Board, not Comments on Cecil’s Columns. > > There are many spankings when someone tarnishes MPSIMS with a flame. > > So why in thee Keeerist do people feel the need to come into the Pit, where they know that people get toasted, and spout their feel good happy crappy why-can’t-we-all-get-along bullshit? Because they’re morons. duh… ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/153 "2005-06-29T09:59:48Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > We’re arguing amongst ourselves while he is nowhere to be seen. I and others have pointed that out several times already, but we’re still doing it. Good for us. And that includes **Futile** , **eleanor** and **brickbacon**. I don’t know what you’re arguing about, but what I’m on about is **you** , and a few others, not **START**. Also very worth noting that some people follow the “if you don’t like it, don’t come here” argument, but then have a few snide comments about **START** not coming here. No fun when the victim doesn’t turn up for the pile-on, is it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/154 "2005-06-29T10:26:52Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > I don’t know what you’re arguing about, but what I’m on about is **you** , and a few others, not **START**. Are you merely disagreeing with my charges against him? Or are you saying that I should not be Pitting him at all? If the former, well, you’re entitled to your opinion. If the latter, sorry, everyone’s fair game. > [@](#): > > Also very worth noting that some people follow the “if you don’t like it, don’t come here” argument, but then have a few snide comments about **START** not coming here. No fun when the victim doesn’t turn up for the pile-on, is it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Generally, people do show up at Pittings in their honor, either to defend their position or to post a token, “Eh, who cares?”. They don’t **have** to show up, but in this case, START’s absence is consistent with his established pattern of getting people riled up and then walking away. ---
**Author:** ![auntie\_em](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@auntie\_em](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auntie_em)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/155 "2005-06-29T11:44:18Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > Also very worth noting that some people follow the “if you don’t like it, don’t come here” argument, but then have a few snide comments about **START** not coming here. No fun when the victim doesn’t turn up for the pile-on, is it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I don’t know about the others, but _my_ point in mentioning **START** ’s absence was to note the irony in the fact that one of the biggest accusations against **START** is that he starts threads just to get people to fight amongst themselves (and FWIW, I agree that it does seem that way), while the biggest **START** fight has started in a thread not even started by **START**. Wha . . . ? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/156 "2005-06-29T12:46:31Z")
> [@auntie em](#): > > Wha . . . ? Don’t worry, dear. We all know you’re married to **Skip**. We all figure confusion is pretty much your life. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![auntie\_em](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@auntie\_em](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auntie_em)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/157 "2005-06-29T13:10:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Don’t worry, dear. We all know you’re married to **Skip**. We all figure confusion is pretty much your life. 😃 Confusion and munchkins. Lots and lots of munchkins. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/158 "2005-06-29T14:05:10Z")
> [@Pythian Habenero](#): > > Hmm. Thread seems to be steadily going down the drain, so I’ll permit myself to continue a slightly off-topic discussion. > It’s “she” in my case. > > And I never said that I couldn’t remember what side of an issue I’m on. I always know exactly which side I’m on. In this thread, I am most definitively not on a side at all, which makes it slightly more difficult for me to recall which side I am attempting to _explain_ at any given time, as evinced by the post to which I was referring. In the post you quoted I proceeded to attempt to categorise the sides as I saw them, thus avoiding the potential of repeating my earlier mistake. > > As a side note, I believe the phrase you were looking for is “there should be no doubt _of_ it.” 🙂 The point obtains. You could not remember what position you held, and apparently could not be bothered to find out. Thanks for catching the typo. ---
**Author:** ![Pythian\_Habenero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@Pythian\_Habenero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythian_Habenero)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/159 "2005-06-29T15:42:45Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > The point obtains. You could not remember what position you held, and apparently could not be bothered to find out. > > Thanks for catching the typo. Incorrect. I was not holding a position, I was attempting to explain what logic I saw in one despite my lack of actual agreement with said logic. Sadly I misinterpreted the post I was quoting. While a stupid error, it is not the same stupid error of which you are accusing me, and has nothing to do with “could not be bothered to find out” - in point of fact I didn’t know I had made an error until I re-read the post and realised how foolish it looked. Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “the point obtains” - obtains what? Unless there’s another meaning to the word “obtain” of which I’m unaware. Until this moment I had thought it meant “acquire”. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972/160 "2005-06-29T15:52:58Z")
> [@Pythian Habenero](#): > > Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “the point obtains” - obtains what? Unless there’s another meaning to the word “obtain” of which I’m unaware. Until this moment I had thought it meant “acquire”. The first meaning of “obtain” is get, receive, acquire. It also has the secondary meaning of [to be established, accepted, or customary](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=obtain), and a third meaning of to be valid, applicable, or true. By the way, you _are_ planning to stick around, aren’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-get-a-livejournal/309972.md?page=9)