# Start off conventional, end up weird **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 4, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688 "2017-11-04T17:03:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/21 "2017-11-05T05:26:53Z")
I haven’t seen it myself, but apparently the show **Baywatch Nights** fits. The first season featured steamy detective stories. The second season, out of the blue, featured SUPERNATURAL detective stories. I don’t think it really counts as “getting weird”, given that it was already a series of detective stories about a magician living in Chicago, but **The Dresden Files** is certainly both weirder and far grander in scope than what one might have predicted from reading just the first book or so. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/22 "2017-11-05T05:27:00Z")
_Mulholland Drive_ is a great example. Starts off as a fairly conventional if weird mystery, then veers off into total surrealism. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/23 "2017-11-05T05:36:23Z")
_The Cabin in the Woods_ starts off with a group of young adults going off to a secluded cabin in the woods, just like the start of any other slasher flick/horror movie. It ends as something else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/24 "2017-11-05T07:41:24Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > _The Cabin in the Woods_ starts off with a group of young adults going off to a secluded cabin in the woods, just like the start of any other slasher flick/horror movie. It ends as something else entirely. Wait… aren’t we tipped off in the opening scene that there is something larger going on? I thought it started in the bunker and introduced those characters before even getting to the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/25 "2017-11-05T14:14:31Z")
“Seinfeld” started out with the characters navigating fairly mundane everyday situations, but by the last few seasons the situations became more bizarre and contrived and unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/26 "2017-11-05T14:16:03Z")
Tom Waits started out doing jazzy piano ballads, though always much cooler than the average piano balladeer. Then in the late 70s he got bluesier and noisier and more abstract. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/27 "2017-11-05T14:20:03Z")
The Shadow was, IIRC, a crimefighter with skills and contacts and a double life as wealthy man-about-town Lamont Cranston and – well, that was pretty much _it,_ which was plenty, but wasn’t really the storytelling hook of the age. But then, when they got Orson Welles to do the voice for a radio show about those adventures, they added in The Power To Cloud Men’s Minds – and, man, _that_ was the missing ingredient: a bona fide super-power, back before Clark Kent made it into print; _that_ made him memorable in a different kind of way, and promptly moved the guy over from “master of disguise with a knack for pistol marksmanship” stories to where he could even take on sci-fi/fantasy problems in between doing impossibly well against mundane challenges – as, if you will, a “super” hero. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/28 "2017-11-05T14:21:30Z")
I could argue that Rush’s career arc would fit this. 1. Start out as fairly generic Led Zeppelin clone. 2. Transform into science fictional, full-LP side monster ---
**Author:** ![Scribble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scribble/32/3317_2.png) [@Scribble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scribble)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/29 "2017-11-05T15:19:42Z")
[Witching and Bitching](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2404738/?ref_=nv_sr_1)(original title: Las Brujas de Zugarramurdi) starts out as an action/crime flick that abruptly turns into a horror movie. The whole thing stays funny (intentionally) from start to finish, though. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/30 "2017-11-05T15:33:10Z")
John Cale’s “Fear Is A Man’s Best Friend” [John Cale - Fear Is A Man's Best Friend - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iAAe_7_HOw) … among others… ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/31 "2017-11-05T15:33:47Z")
> [@ThisIsTheEnd](#): > > 2 Girls 1 Cup > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Never had the honour of seeing it yet, myself. > So it starts off conventionally, then? I would compare it to how the first atom bombs were detonated. Conventional for a really short amount of time, then not. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/32 "2017-11-05T15:35:07Z")
Comic strips did this all the time, assuming you can call anything in a comic strip conventional. My favorite example is _Alley Oop_. In 1932 he was a literate caveman who rode a dinosaur (_The Flintstones_ stole from it with both hands.) In 1939 a time machine was introduced and he was switched into present day America and became a science fiction strip. He went to the Moon in the 1940s. Going in the other direction was _Invisible Scarlet O’Neil_. Her inventor father exposed her to a ray that made her invisible at will. Like Lois Lane, she stuck her nose into everything and wound up having adventures, including with robots in the 1940s. After a while, though, she lost her invisibility power, a new character named Stainless Steel was introduced and she wound up getting written out of her own strip. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/33 "2017-11-05T16:49:31Z")
Sort of the opposite direction, but _Big Chief Yahoo_ started as a gag strip where the character had run-ins with The Great Gusto, a W.C. Fields type. Eventually, photographer Steve Roper appeared and took over the strip, making it a straight adventure strip. Later, a new artist added a failed comic character of his own, Mike Nomad. Chief Wahoo and The Great Gusto were never seen after 1947. Same for _Wash Tubbs_, which was a gag strip but quickly turned into an adventure strip (generally credited as the first). Soon the character of Captain Easy showed up and took over the strip. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/34 "2017-11-05T17:13:57Z")
That movie _From Dawn Till Dusk_. Starts off with a kidnapping and turns into a vampire orgy. A-wut? > [@Senegoid](#): > > The movie **Brazil** started off weird, got steadily weirder, and at some point in the middle abruptly became _very very weird_ and remained so for the rest of the show. Same arc for _Twin Peaks_. Starts weird, but the later stuff makes Laura Palmer’s murder seem like an episode of _Law & Order._ ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/35 "2017-11-05T22:01:34Z")
_Lost in Space_ began as a conventional 1960s science fiction show. As such, it was not particularly noteworthy, and I didn’t like it very much (although I did watch it every week, since my hunger for anything SF is considerable). Gradually, surreal and comedy elements began to creep in (usually involving Will Robinson, Dr. Smith, and the Robot). My interest went way up, and the ratings must have gone up, too, since the show pretty much turned into a wild-ass comedy with SF elements. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/36 "2017-11-05T22:33:25Z")
_Smilla’s Sense of Snow_ starts off as a fairly normal if exotic murder mystery with the hook being that the title character is from Greenland. Later it takes an abrupt left turn into science fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/37 "2017-11-06T00:55:57Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Wait… aren’t we tipped off in the opening scene that there is something larger going on? I thought it started in the bunker and introduced those characters before even getting to the kids. Did it? If so, that particular sequence made so little impact on me that I’ve completely forgotten about it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/38 "2017-11-06T02:45:26Z")
“Supernatural” started off weird, got weirder, and now has the Winchester Bros. teaching the son of Lucifer the ways of the world. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/39 "2017-11-06T02:52:46Z")
_Days of Our Lives_ started out as a conventional soap opera about a kindly doctor and his children. Then it started adding supervillains, aliens, demonic possession, fetus theft and so many people returning from the dead that even the characters acknowledge that it happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688/40 "2017-11-06T05:24:13Z")
Well, if you guys are going to include movies that take a significant turn midway through, I daresay the archetype is _Psycho_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/start-off-conventional-end-up-weird/800688.md?page=3)