# Starving Artist Has Issues With Long Hair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775 "2009-07-12T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/201 "2009-07-13T21:16:24Z")
Hmm **Finn** , I did say we had done it before but I apologize for not giving you credit. However, I don’t think that was actually the thread I had been thinking of, but that’s beside the point. So it seems that **Starving Artist** has posted something that was specifically shown to him to be false and yet he posted it again. What can we conclude from this? I know what **Lobohan** would say, but perhaps we should not immediately attribute this behavior to malice. However, that leaves us only that he didn’t read, didn’t understand, or can’t remember what you posted, unless anyone can think of another reason. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/202 "2009-07-13T21:20:04Z")
\ He does not want to let mere facts interfere with his firmly held beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/203 "2009-07-13T21:24:20Z")
He’s too busy desperately trying to calculate whether the rapture will occur before the sky falls? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/204 "2009-07-13T21:28:58Z")
He’s busy compiling all the civil rights legislation passed in the 50’s. Boy, I’m really going to be embarassed when he gets done, and shows me how wrong I was! ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/205 "2009-07-13T21:39:11Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > **Starving Artist** , we have done this before, but I’m not sure everything you said in your long post above has a basis in fact. I’ll pick out an easy one and I await your thoughtful response. > > That does not seem to agree with this: ([http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html](http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html)) > > Do you dispute that? Can you provide a cite that supports your claim or are you willing to give a little bit of credit to liberalism for this triumph over something that is a bane of society? > > I think you made some other factually incorrect statements, but I’d like to clear this one up before we move on. The birth rate went down because they are all getting abortions now, duh. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/206 "2009-07-13T21:41:34Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Hmm **Finn** , I did say we had done it before but I apologize for not giving you credit. No prob, I probably should’ve used a bigger smiley. 😃 > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > So it seems that **Starving Artist** has posted something that was specifically shown to him to be false and yet he posted it again. Yah, and I already called him out on that in this thread. [ > [@](#): > > It’s interesting, too, that SA blames ‘revisionism’ on an honest appraisal of history. He once claimed that, for instance, teen pregnancy was up now (due to liberals, natch). Of course, the fact was that teen pregnancy peaked in the 1950’s. He changed the subject and didn’t retract his claim. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11332554&postcount=49](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11332554&postcount=49)) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/207 "2009-07-13T21:47:32Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > The birth rate went down because they are all getting abortions now, duh. I know you’re posting tongue in cheek, but the year-old post by **FinnAgain** would seem to cover that: > [@Amsterdam Pro Gay-Idiots](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/184): > > And, no, [you are wrong.](http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html) In fact, you have it exactly backwards. From a preliminary report that actually overestimated the data for 2000: > > “The rate of teen childbearing in the United States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 in 1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000” > And before you object: “Among teens in the United States, at least in recent years, declining birthrates are not the result of more pregnant teens opting to have an abortion.”. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/208 "2009-07-13T21:59:15Z")
Occam’s Razor: Facts are wrong and **Starvin’** is correct. No. What **Lobohan** said. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/209 "2009-07-13T21:59:22Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I know you’re posting tongue in cheek, but the year-old post by **FinnAgain** would seem to cover that: Sounds exactly like the words of a baby killer. BABY KILLER! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/210 "2009-07-13T22:02:17Z")
Parboiling them alive would be cruel! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/211 "2009-07-13T22:02:39Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Funny. I’ll admit I don’t have a strong education in the Beatles’ history, but my impression is they were as influential as they were because of their music, not their politics. Yeah, the Beatles weren’t all that influential in fostering social change by means of activism. What they did was trigger a hair-and-clothing style that set the young baby-boom generation against the rest of society. That style, which originally was pretty, uh, stylish, morphed, by virtue of the Stones and the Who, etc. into a more raggedy and dirty and unwholesome one, which of course set the baby boom generation even more at odds with the rest of society. Then, the Beatles and almost every other popular musician or group of musicians of the time began to embrace drug use like it was manna from heaven, and the baby boom sheeple picked that up as well. This is yet another thing that set the them at odds with society at that time. So once this had been going on for four or five years and the baby boom generation began to reach voting age in significant numbers, politicians (almost invariably Democrats) began to pander to them, Hollywood began to pander to, reflect and glamorize them, television shows began to pander to, reflect and glamorize them, the news media began to pander to, glamorize and reflect them, and their ways of dress, drug use and immature political beliefs gradually infected and became adopted by a large segment of the country’s population, which of course has brought us to where we are today. (I.e., _IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIMINATING RACISM!!!_) Ahem… So, while the Beatles didn’t directly and intentionally cause this erosion of American standards, they were the catalyst that set the wheels in motion. (My apologies for the mixed metaphore. ;)) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/212 "2009-07-13T22:08:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He’s busy compiling all the civil rights legislation passed in the 50’s. Boy, I’m really going to be embarassed when he gets done, and shows me how wrong I was! What are you going on about this 50’s legislation crap for? If I said that, kindly show me where I did and I’ll amend it to pre-1968 legislation which is what I would have meant. You guys are the ones that keep trying to pin me down to the 50’s since you seem to think it allows you to negate whatever it is you don’t like hearing about the good old days. Personally, I think the country reached its zenith around 1960 to '68. So give me a break with the 50’s, mmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/213 "2009-07-13T22:08:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, while the Beatles didn’t directly and intentionally cause this erosion of American standards, they were the catalyst that set the wheels in motion. (My apologies for the mixed metaphore. ;)) And you love them. Any comments on **Finn’s** point from way back when? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/214 "2009-07-13T22:16:19Z")
Nah… **Finn’s** posts are TLDR and trying to respond to them bogs me down to the point that I don’t have time for everyone else. Plus he likes to drege shit up from a year or more ago and then I have to go back and read up for context and details and shit like that. So basically I just do with him pretty much the same thing I do with **tomndebb’s** posts, which are similar, and just let them lie there for people to make of what they will. I’m content that I do a pretty good job of saying what I mean myself and I don’t feel the need to go back and argue with people who try to cast it in a different light. And now that time has come, as it inevitably does, when the old clock on the wall says I got work to do. So I’m outta here for now. If anybody should happen into the Palin thread I’d appreciate it if they would explain that my absence there doesn’t mean I’m at a loss for words but merely not around for the moment. Kthxbye. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/215 "2009-07-13T22:16:25Z")
The media glorifies drug use? Okay, maybe pot is seen as cool (though to be honest, it’s pretty harmless, so I can’t get up in arms about that). Though the stereotype of the pothead is someone who hangs around doing nothing so I don’t see the glorification. Cocaine? Okay, sometimes cocaine looks pretty cool. But most movies about or involving heroin I can think of makes it look really gross and disgusting. LSD/acid doesn’t seem so much cool as it is funny to watch. (The cliche of someone tripping on acid, everything getting all colorful.) Plus, again, the stereotype here seems more spaced out hippie, less cool/hip/urbane youth. Also, for what it’s worth, sitcoms/shows aimed at teen are embarrassingly puritanical to the point where having so much as a sip of beer has to result in hours of vomiting, a hangover, or someone getting into a car crash and vowing never to drink again. Plus, sometimes something can be portrayed as cool or enjoyable but not necessarily good. The movie “Go” is fairly fun, and I don’t think it really has an anti anything message. The characters do drugs, stuff happens–some good, some bad, some funny–but it’s not going to make anyone go out and do Ecstasy unless they were already so inclined. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/216 "2009-07-13T22:17:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What are you going on about this 50’s legislation crap for? If I said that, kindly show me where I did and I’ll amend it to pre-1968 legislation which is what I would have meant. > > You guys are the ones that keep trying to pin me down to the 50’s since you seem to think it allows you to negate whatever it is you don’t like hearing about the good old days. Personally, I think the country reached its zenith around 1960 to '68. > > So give me a break with the 50’s, mmkay? So it would be from 1968 on that: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > liberalism has: > … > > Cheered and encouraged abortions themselves, rather than portraying them as a last, regrettable alternative, and reviling anyone who feels abortion is wrong… For the record, I find this quote by you one of the most offensive things I have read here on the SDMB. Are you sure the downfall of culture does not date from January 22, 1973? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/217 "2009-07-13T22:18:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Parboiling them alive would be cruel! Only if you forget to sauté them immediately afterwards. Yum! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/218 "2009-07-13T22:19:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So basically I just do with him pretty much the same thing I do with **tomndebb’s** posts, which are similar, and just let them lie there for people to make of what they will.. What I make of them is that when confronted by an actual documented fact, you run away, and then continue to pretend that said fact does not exist. In subsequent discussions, you trot out your version of reality and again pretend that the facts do not exist. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/219 "2009-07-13T22:20:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, the Beatles weren’t all that influential in fostering social change by means of activism. What they did was trigger a hair-and-clothing style that set the young baby-boom generation against the rest of society. So, in other words, your entire argument is “Kids and their damned music.” Go eat your applesauce, old man. It helps when taking your pills. There, there now. Let me get you a blanket. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/220 "2009-07-13T22:21:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nah… **Finn’s** posts are TLDR and trying to respond to them bogs me down to the point that I don’t have time for everyone else. > > Plus he likes to drege shit up from a year or more ago and then I have to go back and read up for context and details and shit like that. > > So basically I just do with him pretty much the same thing I do with **tomndebb’s** posts, which are similar, and just let them lie there for people to make of what they will. I’m content that I do a pretty good job of saying what I mean myself and I don’t feel the need to go back and argue with people who try to cast it in a different light. Fair enough. Do you think you could be so kind as to find the time to respond to my post #189 in this thread? Thanks in advance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=12)