# Starving Artist Has Issues With Long Hair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775 "2009-07-12T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/221 "2009-07-13T22:30:17Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Fair enough. Do you think you could be so kind as to find the time to respond to my post #189 in this thread? Thanks in advance. No can do. Because then he’d have to read for _comprehension._ \:::_ **Starvin’** knows his limitations._:::\ ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/222 "2009-07-13T22:32:39Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Do you dispute that? Can you provide a cite that supports your claim or are you willing to give a little bit of credit to liberalism for this triumph over something that is a bane of society? > > I think you made some other factually incorrect statements, but I’d like to clear this one up before we move on. Back then everyone owned a shotgun (fer shootin’ supper on the way home from that one room schoolhouse dontchakno?), so there may have been teen pregnancies, but they damned sure weren’t unwed! And that made it okay. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Jester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jester/32/8223_2.png) [@Jester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jester)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/223 "2009-07-13T22:58:18Z")
It’ll probably never happen, but I think it’d be awesome if every post in this thread from now on did nothing but encourage **Starving Artist** to respond to the study brought up by **Lance Turbo** (and **FinnAgain** ), and explain how he can still hold the view that teenage pregnancy is up since us damn kids came on the scene. If we keep bringing up stuff like the Beatles we’re just giving him an easy out. Granted, I don’t actually think he’ll respond to the study at all, even when facing a wall of posters requesting that he do so. But I’m very interested to see how such an accomplished bullshit artist manages to weasel his way out of it. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/224 "2009-07-13T23:02:46Z")
> [@Jester](#): > > an accomplished bullshit artist More of an amateur bullshit finger-painter, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/225 "2009-07-13T23:03:07Z")
**Starving Artist** , I encourage you to respond to the study brought up by **Lance Turbo** (and **FinnAgain** ); please explain how you can still hold the view that teenage pregnancy is up since us damn kids came on the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/226 "2009-07-13T23:20:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, the Beatles weren’t all that influential in fostering social change by means of activism. What they did was trigger a hair-and-clothing style that set the young baby-boom generation against the rest of society. Ooh, teens wearing clothes that the older generation didn’t approve of! _That_ never happened before the Beatles! :rolleyes: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That style, which originally was pretty, uh, stylish, morphed, by virtue of the Stones and the Who, etc. into a more raggedy and dirty and unwholesome one, which of course set the baby boom generation even more at odds with the rest of society. Just for fun, here’s the “raggedy and dirty” look of [the](http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/images/gibson_eds1275dneck.jpg) [Who](http://www.thewho.info/images/68Who2-PST-Who.jpg) and the [Rolling](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LYtPJwBD1ng/ScbKiEOWPKI/AAAAAAAARMc/0upZag2-Kso/s400/rolling_stones-gal-park1.jpg) [Stones](http://www.rockontour.net/67band.jpg) at the height of hippiedom, circa 1967. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/227 "2009-07-13T23:33:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What are you going on about this 50’s legislation crap for? If I said that, kindly show me where I did and I’ll amend it to pre-1968 legislation which is what I would have meant. > > You guys are the ones that keep trying to pin me down to the 50’s since you seem to think it allows you to negate whatever it is you don’t like hearing about the good old days. Personally, I think the country reached its zenith around 1960 to '68. > > So give me a break with the 50’s, mmkay? Sure thing. > [@](#): > > …It is true that most of the civil rights legislation introduced during the 20th century came from liberal-leaning politicians - and that is to their credit - but it is also true that most of it was introduced during the more polite and civil time that existed prior to the late sixties… (emphasis added) Now, lets see. Prior to the 60’s is most likely the 50’s, no? Unless you want to claim major progress in the 40’s or 30’s. So, yeah, you said it and yeah, when called upon it, you bailed. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/228 "2009-07-13T23:58:42Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Ooh, teens wearing clothes that the older generation didn’t approve of! _That_ never happened before the Beatles! :rolleyes: Jazz and cubism, man. Fucked society right up. And don’t get me started on the Dada cartel. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/229 "2009-07-14T00:18:21Z")
The foul influence of so-called “Modern Art” had been poisoning our world long before Cubism, primarily the soul-destroying effect of French Impressionism. A love of Monet is the root of all evil. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/230 "2009-07-14T00:25:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Now, lets see. Prior to the 60’s is most likely the 50’s, no? Unless you want to claim major progress in the 40’s or 30’s. > > So, yeah, you said it and yeah, when called upon it, you bailed. Prior to the late 60s could also mean the early sixties. I seem to recall a couple of Civil Rights Acts passed in 1964 and 1965. Also [1957](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1957) and 1960. So that’s four before 1968. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/231 "2009-07-14T00:29:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey, I thought they were the guys who blubbered about individuality being sacred against the encroachment of the collectivist state? > > Uh-oh, my worst nightmare, its Opposite Day and nobody told me! Shit! I mean, roses! No, it’s that Conservative Land is Opposite Land. They’ll spin any issue to make “liberals” be the ones who look bad. I’ll grant SA that his points are more along the lines of what I regard are the proper definitions of conservative and liberal. Unlike libertarian-style conservatism (“fiscal-” being a large part of that), that could be portrayed as “permissive” in its own right. SA’s real problem is what he’s calling is something–or more often a lack of something–is far too vast and deep and varied to be tied up in a sack with a label on it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/232 "2009-07-14T00:35:29Z")
As your cite attests, regarding the 1957 act as an advance in civil rights is largely an excercise in selective cognition. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/233 "2009-07-14T00:41:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The foul influence of so-called “Modern Art” had been poisoning our world long before Cubism, primarily the soul-destroying effect of French Impressionism. A love of Monet is the root of all evil. Nay, art be cursed 'ere since the foul birth of _perspective_, the Devil’s own trickery! ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/234 "2009-07-14T00:49:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, the Beatles weren’t all that influential in fostering social change by means of activism. What they did was trigger a hair-and-clothing style that set the young baby-boom generation against the rest of society. That style, which originally was pretty, uh, stylish, morphed, by virtue of the Stones and the Who, etc. into a more raggedy and dirty and unwholesome one, which of course set the baby boom generation even more at odds with the rest of society. > > Then, the Beatles and almost every other popular musician or group of musicians of the time began to embrace drug use like it was manna from heaven, and the baby boom sheeple picked that up as well. This is yet another thing that set the them at odds with society at that time. > > So once this had been going on for four or five years and the baby boom generation began to reach voting age in significant numbers, politicians (almost invariably Democrats) began to pander to them, Hollywood began to pander to, reflect and glamorize them, television shows began to pander to, reflect and glamorize them, the news media began to pander to, glamorize and reflect them, and their ways of dress, drug use and immature political beliefs gradually infected and became adopted by a large segment of the country’s population, which of course has brought us to where we are today. (I.e., _IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIMINATING RACISM!!!_) > > Ahem… > > So, while the Beatles didn’t directly and intentionally cause this erosion of American standards, they were the catalyst that set the wheels in motion. (My apologies for the mixed metaphore. ;)) :applause: That was beautiful, man. I may not agree with it, but that was an amazingly well-written post. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/235 "2009-07-14T01:50:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As your cite attests, regarding the 1957 act as an advance in civil rights is largely an excercise in selective cognition. You have harped on **Starving Artist** for failing to address your request. It turns out that he didn’t say what you said he said, and it turns out that there were indeed Civil Rights Acts passed before 1968. At least have the graciousness to admit your own error, having hammered at **SA** for something that he was not, actually in error about. Lord knows there is enough in what he has asserted that is so totally cockamamie that it’s not going to let him “win” to admit you had it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/236 "2009-07-14T02:43:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The foul influence of so-called “Modern Art” had been poisoning our world long before Cubism, primarily the soul-destroying effect of French Impressionism. A love of Monet is the root of all evil. You don’t say. Monet, Van Gogh and his fiend of a friend Gaugain. Painting naked ladies all day long under the sun of Tahiti, never did a god damn honest day of work in his entire life ! As for the rest of them dot splotching… _French_… well, let’s just say that if they painted so well, they’d draw dang straight lines and shadows and stuff, instead of that blurry crap. I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like, and if the Déjeuner Sur l’Herbe is art, I’m Grant Wood ! ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/237 "2009-07-14T04:09:38Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > All I know is we _never_ had to lock our doors in the 1950s and earlier. Now we do. That is all. Maybe there wasn’t as much to steal in those days, especially items of the small, valuable, and easily portable kind. TVs were huge pieces of furniture and radios weren’t much smaller. A minority of families possessed good sterling, jewelry, and/or antiques enough to make it worth a thief’s while. But most of the things we think of as likely targets today didn’t exist. I never heard of a time when stores and offices didn’t lock up at the end of day. So why would anybody leave their house unlocked? At the same time, I could conceivably leave my house unlocked every day for a week and be reasonably confident that I’m not going to be burglarized. Just as I confidently walk over to the Chinese restaurant at the end of my block, without fear of getting mugged. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/238 "2009-07-14T05:36:16Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Oh yes, Starving “Hypocrite” Artist pines for a time when people with short hair wore [suits and ties](http://people.sinclair.edu/ryanvanlenning/lynching.htm) to lynchings. > > I would not at all be surprised to find out that SA was one of the posters at Free Republic who called 11-year old Malia Obama “ghetto street trash” who looked “like a common whore” because she wore a shirt with a peace sign on it. ([Link](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/10/752031/-Free-Republic-Pulls-Thread-Bashing-Mahlia-Obama), but it’s to the Daily Kos article because the original thread was pulled. For those allergic to Kos, [here’s an article](http://themoderatevoice.com/39077/conservative-website-at-center-of-growing-furor-over-attacks-on-obamas-underage-daughter/) at The Moderate Voice. > > He probably also endorses [Audra Shay](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-new-ice-age-of-the-yo_b_230125.html), the 38-year old “Young” Republican who laughed at racist remarks made on her Facebook page. I had forgotten what a piece of shit you are! Not only did you bring up my calling you “granny” (and not for the reason you said but because your filthy, vulgar language was so at odds with most peoples’ image of a loving grandmother doting on her granddaughter) but you completely left out that when you mentioned later on that you no longer post about your granddaughter because of that, I told you that having that effect on you was not my intent and I promised to stop calling you granny at that time. And I have not done so since. And now you post vile, filthy shit like this! I fucking dare, defy, challenge or anything else you’d like to call it, you to come up with one fucking instance out of my 7,500 posts that even comes close to indicating that I’m capable of any of those vile accusations. You are a vile, disgusting piece of shit! Far, far worse than I ever imagined! Your granddaughter would be well served to keep as far, far away from you as possible in the hope that none of you ever rubs off on her. I’ll never treat you with respect or consideration ever again, Granny! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/239 "2009-07-14T05:38:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I had forgotten what a piece of shit you are! > > Not only did you bring up my calling you “granny” (and not for the reason you said but because your filthy, vulgar language was so at odds with most peoples’ image of a loving grandmother doting on her granddaughter) but you completely left out that when you mentioned later on that you no longer post about your granddaughter because of that, I told you that having that effect on you was not my intent. I promised to stop calling you granny at that time and have not done so since. > > And now you post vile, filthy shit like this! I fucking dare, defy, challenge or anything else you’d like to call it, you to come up with one fucking instance out of my 7,500 posts that even comes close to indicating that I’m capable of something like this. > > You are a vile, disgusting piece of shit! Far, far worse than I ever imagined! Your granddaughter would be well served to keep as far, far away from you as possible in the hope that none of you ever rubs off on her. > > I’ll never treat you with respect or consideration ever again, Granny! Hey liar, shouldn’t you be asleep at this late hour? ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/240 "2009-07-14T05:38:40Z")
**Starving Artist** , I encourage you to respond to the study brought up by **Lance Turbo** (and **FinnAgain** ); please explain how you can still hold the view that teenage pregnancy is up since us damn kids came on the scene. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=13)