# Starving Artist Has Issues With Long Hair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775 "2009-07-12T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/261 "2009-07-14T06:51:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That happens when you are trying to avoid dealing with the fact that you are looking like an idiot for insulting someone that just said “probably”. It was the comment about Malia Obama that set me off, not the stupid one about Facebook or whatever. I would never say something about a little girl like that, much less Malia who I think is adorable. I have a real soft spot for little girls thanks to the ones in my own family (you may recall that I stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh over his Chelsea Clinton/White House dog joke), and the idea that scumbagious woman would suggest that I’d say something like that about an innocent little kid like Malia is what set me off. I probably did overreact, but it was completely unexpected, especially coming from Equipoise, a woman I’ve complimented several times for her music and movie reviewing skills and her intelligence, and who I’ve apologized to over the ‘granny’ insult which I stopped using so she wouldn’t feel bad about talking about her granddaughter…and then she pulls that shit from out of the blue! Making accusations about me and how I’d talk about young children, and black children at that, on a board with black members…well, it pissed me off more than anyone has pissed me off since I’ve been here. It was an outlandishly insulting and dishonest way to portray me, and it was totally unexpected coming from her. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Yah, it’s real hard to tell if it was more common in the 50s, when it reached the highest point in our history of record keeping, or 2000, when it was at the lowest. > You’d have to engaged in advanced mathematical analysis, like being able to tell which of two numbers is bigger. It takes a lot of time to do that. Surely close to a year. You’d pardon me, I’m sure, if I might want to take a few things into account upon reading the information…things like accuracy, whether or not the reporting agency likely had access to all the information it needed, whether it adjusted for relative unreportings for the different times, whether it counted girls who’d gotten early-term abortions (and how would they even know?), the effect of HIPPA laws on statistics-gathering, etc., etc., etc. You may well be happy to eagerly accept figures that support your hope that I’m wrong, but I think a little analyzation and reflection may be needed before I comment. And of course, in a big-picture sense it makes little difference anyway, unless you want (as it appears) to take minor little statistical discrepency and pretend that it undoes my entire argument…in which case you would only expose the weakness of your own case. > [@Covered\_In\_Bees!](#): > > What a sad old man you are Artist. I do wish you’ll find peace soon. I’d hate to be alive in a time when I couldn’t stand the world around me. Oh, you have no idea, sweetie-pie. (I’m assuming from your name that you’re a female.) I love the world around me. Don’t be fooled by my complaints here, they make up only around two or three percent of how I view life around me. I have a delightfully happy life, full of fun, family, friends and acquaintances, good food (and booze), music, books, friends, and enjoyable and entertaining recreational pursuits. If you met and spent an evening with me away from here you’d never know it was me. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/262 "2009-07-14T06:52:22Z")
Happy to see that my thread is alive and well, and that **Starving Artist** is proving the point I made in my OP over and over. Ah, let’s see what’s new: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No meltdown here. Where? Either you’re a liar, or your short-term memory really is seriously enfeebled. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, fuck that shit! > > I’m too fucking pissed right now to get involved in splitting hairs over that crap! Nice to see your inability to comprehend reality, not to mention your inability to set an example for polite and civil behavior, is certainly coming to a middle. Here’s some more: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So take your stupid allegations, and your stupid smilies, and stick 'em up your stupid ass! > > Fuckstick! I’m actually wondering if we should be worrying about you. And here you prove you don’t have an ounce of integrity: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Teen pregnancy is rampant? That’s your excuse for calling me a liar? It is rampant! What is in question is whether it’s worse now or in the past, and I’ll look into that when I feel like it, not when you demand I do. When I’ve had a chance to look into it and analyze things, I’ll make a comment. Capiche? The sad thing is, you failed to notice that **FinnAgain** did not make a demand; he asked politely. [Here’s some data about Teen Pregnancy](http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf). The discerning reader (i.e., someone who probably isn’t **Starving Artist** ) will notice several things: 1. The rate of teen pregnancy is lower in recent times (2002 is the most current data I could find) than it was in 1972 (the earliest available data.) 2. The rate of abortion is lower than it was in 1973. [The data in easy-to-read, chart form](http://micpohling.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/us-teenage-pregnancy-rate-birth-rate-and-abortion-rate-1972-2005/). Now, **Starving Artist** , if you continue to ignore polite requests to consider this data, you can only be labeled craven and unfit for debate. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/263 "2009-07-14T06:56:48Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Hah! On the post on the top of this page it is clear to what I was referring to when I said that our faulty logic was biting you now. You are being dishonest for avoiding dealing with you idiocy of assuming that \*\*Equimopse \*\*insulted you and your only answer was for you to point out a meaningless gender issue. > > Based on your efforts to deny that you lied, I have to assume you are smart enough to conclude that you avoided dealing with your “I’m insulted by Equimopse” nonsense on that post on purpose. I honestly don’t know if you are at fault or I am, but you are sounding like a fucking idiot. (And ‘rampant’ misspellings don’t help :D) So, I’m gonna bail from here for tonight and pick it back up again tomorrow. Goodnight, **Hector** …Goodnight, **Zoe** …Goodnight, **Rubystreak** , wherever you are. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/264 "2009-07-14T07:11:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I honestly don’t know if you are at fault or I am, but you are sounding like a fucking idiot. (And ‘rampant’ misspellings don’t help :D) My excuse is that English is my second language. Your excuses to avoid dealing with the points that were made are pathetic. I will prefer, to the end of my days, to be a person with problems with grammar than to be a person that is proud of his ignorance. I can only conclude that you are only insulting me just to make cheap points, and you are dishonest in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/265 "2009-07-14T07:17:31Z")
No, I’m insulting you because you sound like you’re drunk. We’ve had many interactions in the past and I’ve never had trouble understanding you before. And not only that, I tried to give you an out by admitting that the fact that you sound like a fucking idiot might be my fault. So how’s about a little gratitude, eh? And now I’m out. Maybe. Probably. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/266 "2009-07-14T07:24:16Z")
One more thing, what I said was: “Equipoise said “would not be surprised” or “probably”, hardly worthy of the insults you are launching. You are however certain that he has insulted you.” You only replied to that that “he” was a “she” The last post where you claim that I sound like a fucking idiot was just me saying that I do believe that you were smart enough to know what was the issue. And you just avoided it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/267 "2009-07-14T07:32:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, I’m insulting you because you sound like you’re drunk. We’ve had many interactions in the past and I’ve never had trouble understanding you before. > > And not only that, I tried to give you an out by admitting that the fact that you sound like a fucking idiot might be my fault. So how’s about a little gratitude, eh? > > And now I’m out. > > Maybe. > > Probably. > > We’ll see. That reminded me of a Churchill rumor/incident/joke that goes like this: A lady at a party goes up to Winston Churchill and tells him, “Sir, you are drunk.” Churchill replies, “Madame, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.” What I see is that you are still proud of your ignorance. A very ugly thing. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/268 "2009-07-14T07:34:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > One more thing, what I said was: > > “Equipoise said “would not be surprised” or “probably”, hardly worthy of the insults you are launching. You are however certain that he has insulted you.” > > You only replied to that that “he” was a “she” > > The last post where you claim that I sound like a fucking idiot was just me saying that I do believe that you were smart enough to know what was the issue. And you just avoided it. Okay, whatever. I didn’t mean to insult your grasp of what is not your native tongue. Your argument that **Equipose’s** use of ‘probably’ or ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ lets her off the hook is specious though. I doubt if I spoke ill of your homeland or countrymen and then qualified it with ‘probably’ or ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ that you would be any less offended. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/269 "2009-07-14T07:56:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, whatever. I didn’t mean to insult your grasp of what is not your native tongue. > > Your argument that **Equipose’s** use of ‘probably’ or ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ lets her off the hook is specious though. The point is: it is as specious as your excuse of why you are defending the lies of Hannity. > [@](#): > > I doubt if I spoke ill of your homeland or countrymen and then qualified it with ‘probably’ or ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ that you would be any less offended. I would only go berserk if she would dare to say that again after I clarified that I’m not supporting any of the yahoos at Free Republic. But that is not why I complained early. I complained because getting insulted when a qualifier like “probably” was used, does sound really odd when coming from someone that claims that another adverb like “only” is good enough to get him off the hook. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/270 "2009-07-14T08:03:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The point is: it is as specious as your excuse of why you are defending the lies of Hannity. Funny you should mention that. I just wrote a response to that erroneous accusation in the other thread [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11337209&postcount=170). You might find it enlightening. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > I would only go berserk if she would dare to say that again after I clarified that I’m not supporting any of the yahoos at Free Republic. > > But that is not why I complained early. I complained because getting insulted when a qualifier like “probably” was used, does sound really odd when coming from someone that claims that another adverb like “only” is good enough to get you off the hook. Whatever. How about you take offense in the way you see fit and let me take offense in the way I see fit? How’s that? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/271 "2009-07-14T08:25:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Funny you should mention that. I just wrote a response to that erroneous accusation in the other thread [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11337209&postcount=170). You might find it enlightening. > > Whatever. How about you take offense in the way you see fit and let me take offense in the way I see fit? How’s that? As mentioned, it makes you look like an idiot. And \*\*mswas \*\*has your number IMHO. And that is that. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/272 "2009-07-14T08:34:19Z")
What makes me look like an idiot? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/273 "2009-07-14T08:38:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What makes me look like an idiot? Going for a bazooka of insults to kill the “fly” of an insult from **Equimopse**. ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/274 "2009-07-14T08:42:01Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > All I know is we _never_ had to lock our doors in the 1950s and earlier. Now we do. That is all. I don’t need to lock the doors at my house, and I haven’t since it was built 5 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/275 "2009-07-14T08:42:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Going for a bazooka of insults to kill the “fly” of an insult from Equimopse. That’s funny. **Equimopse** wasn’t even mentioned in the post containing two other things that appeared to be connected to my idiocy. I know English isn’t your first language, but even in English we aren’t expected to be mind-readers. Anyway, this has gotten way past tiresome. Go talk nonsense to someone else. I’ve done my good deed for the day. ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/276 "2009-07-14T08:47:09Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > Yes yes, we know. The Negroes knew their place, the skirts – the frails, dames, broads, and chicks – were safely in the kitchen, and the only Chinese people you ever need encounter ran a take-out restaurant. Life was so much better then for white, bigoted, middle-class ignoramuses. Goddammitalltohell. It’s a sad day when **SmashTheState** is a voice of reason; **StarvingArtist** , you are being cogently smacked down by **STS**. See what you’ve done?! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/277 "2009-07-14T08:50:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That’s funny. **Equimopse** wasn’t even mentioned in the post containing two other things that appeared to be connected to my idiocy. I know English isn’t your first language, but even in English we aren’t expected to be mind-readers. > > Anyway, this has gotten way past tiresome. Go talk nonsense to someone else. I’ve done my good deed for the day. You said “How about you take offense in the way you see fit and let me take offense in the way I see fit?” The context shows that you are talking about the offense you had with Equimopse, so it is you who is requesting the mind reading. Cheap points again. And being proud of ignorance is never a good deed. ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/278 "2009-07-14T08:53:17Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And being proud of ignorance is never a good deed. It is if you’re a fundie. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/279 "2009-07-14T09:15:22Z")
No no no… “Conservatives think that liberals have horrible ideas that brought about the ruin of society and also that they’re total assholes who will never listen to their opponents’ position without personally insulting their opponents and alleging that their opponents’ ideas will bring about the ruin of society. Liberals, on the other hand, are totally unreasonable about conservatives.” BTW, just so I’m clear, I have a fair number of typically ‘conservative’ political leanings myself, as well as a few typically ‘liberal’ ones. I believe that honest disagreement is possible. Conservatives aren’t bad people or bad debaters. Idiots and liars are bad people and bad debaters. ---
**Author:** ![BugMeNot2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@BugMeNot2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BugMeNot2)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/280 "2009-07-14T10:45:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Another way to dishonestly argue the issues is to try to minimize or marginalize issues you don’t like to face by painting your opponent in some sort of dismissive light…in this case, age. > > But it will gain you little. The fact is that I lived for twenty years in this country the way it was before you guys fucked it all up (:D) and I know whereof I speak. I didn’t get my view of the country pre-1968 from a revisionist history book or educational system. > > I know how people acted then and I know how they act now, and then was better. My guess is if you asked a group of middle-aged and older blacks whether they felt safer and happier in those days than they do now, the answer would be yes. Liberalism, in its unthinking and eager embrace of every negative thing to come out of black culture, has contributed to a very large degree to the crime, drugs and gangland misery that has been the lot of many blacks in this country. > > But of course, Polio was a sigificant issue in those days, and cancer was a virtual death sentence. Do people think I long for a return to that also? It makes about as much sense as claiming that because I dislike what has happend to society since then I want a return to racism. I’ve read a lot of your posts in the short time I’ve been here, Starving Artist, and I agree with you to a large degree. Society has deteriorated, as you said. I don’t think any rational, impartial observer would disagree. The main problem is the 60s mantra of “question authority” has been taken to an absurd length, fueled by liberal philosophy and aged counterculture types now inhabiting positions of power. Respect for God has dwindled. Respect for government, police, teachers, etc has dwindled. Respect for parents has dwindled. …but respect for “the environment”, that’s way up! :rolleyes: But take heart. The pendulum will swing back the other way eventually. One glimmer of hope is that young people (under 20) today seem to realize that the whole system has gone cockeyed. The old liberals vastly overestimate the effects of their brainwashing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=15)