# Starving Artist Has Issues With Long Hair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775 "2009-07-12T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/281 "2009-07-14T11:03:14Z")
Oh noeeeeeeeeeez, not brainwashing! Save us, save us! Clench harder. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/282 "2009-07-14T11:15:10Z")
> [@BugMeNot2](#): > > I’ve read a lot of your posts in the short time I’ve been here, Starving Artist, and I agree with you to a large degree. > > Society has deteriorated, as you said. I don’t think any rational, impartial observer would disagree. > > The main problem is the 60s mantra of “question authority” has been taken to an absurd length, fueled by liberal philosophy and aged counterculture types now inhabiting positions of power. You’d think that as the aged counterculture types began inhabiting positions of authority, they’d turn the brainwashing switch the other way so that their authority is respected. Stupid liberals. > [@](#): > > Respect for God has dwindled. YMMV, but imaginary things don’t deserve a lot of respect, except for the Great Pumpkin. > [@](#): > > Respect for government, police, teachers, etc has dwindled. Couple of thoughts here. How much respect do you have for the current government? Also, I thought schools were part of the whole liberal brainwashing thing (at least Sean Hannity thinks so). How is losing respect for the teachers doing the liberal brainwashing a bad thing? > [@](#): > > Respect for parents has dwindled. Meh. I was raised by my divorced mother (lack of respect for the institution of marriage right there). > [@](#): > > …but respect for “the environment”, that’s way up! :rolleyes: Just not seeing why this deserves a rolleyes. > [@](#): > > But take heart. The pendulum will swing back the other way eventually. One glimmer of hope is that young people (under 20) today seem to realize that the whole system has gone cockeyed. The old liberals vastly overestimate the effects of their brainwashing. It’s not really the brainwashing that does it. It’s the braindrying. Gotta be careful hanging it up as one clothespin in the wrong spot and there goes bowel control. And forget about tumble dry. Five minutes of that and you’ll never be able to remember where you put your car keys. I really do appreciate this continuing to be a vast left wing conspiracy though. It just brightens my day. ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/283 "2009-07-14T11:19:52Z")
> [@BugMeNot2](#): > > Respect for parents has dwindled. Well, as already mentioned above, the refrain “We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents.” has been voiced throughout the entirety of recorded history. Is there any evidence that the situation is particularly different now from how it always has been? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/284 "2009-07-14T11:31:57Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Couple of thoughts here. How much respect do you have for the current government? > > Also, I thought schools were part of the whole liberal brainwashing thing (at least Sean Hannity thinks so). How is losing respect for the teachers doing the liberal brainwashing a bad thing? But, see, don’t you get it? By believing that the government (run by Liberals!) is horrible, that’s how he shows his respect. Likewise, by believing that educator and community leaders are brainwashing children, he’s showing his deep and sincere respect for them. Either that or, like most fundies, he’s totally immune to irony, wouldn’t recognize integrity if it bit him on the nose and had the intellect of a dry sponge. Could go either way. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > Just not seeing why this deserves a rolleyes. True conservatives don’t have to breathe air or drink water. They are just that cool. ---
**Author:** ![SmashTheState](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@SmashTheState](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmashTheState)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/285 "2009-07-14T11:39:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I love the world around me. Don’t be fooled by my complaints here, they make up only around two or three percent of how I view life around me. I have a delightfully happy life, full of fun, family, friends and acquaintances, good food (and booze), music, books, friends, and enjoyable and entertaining recreational pursuits. If you met and spent an evening with me away from here you’d never know it was me. Don’t worry, we’re working hard to take that away from you. I hope you live long enough to see us rip your smug bourgeois privilege away from you and force you to confront the evil you’ve caused with your ignorance and cultural hegemony. I lie awake some nights, furious at the knowledge that some of you fuckers are escaping safely into death before we have a chance to rub your noses in the mess you’ve made all over the carpet of life. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/286 "2009-07-14T11:41:24Z")
Ah, I missed that one. Good to see SA supporting the drug culture. Alcohol for everybody! ---
**Author:** ![BugMeNot2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@BugMeNot2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BugMeNot2)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/287 "2009-07-14T12:11:18Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > You’d think that as the aged counterculture types began inhabiting positions of authority, they’d turn the brainwashing switch the other way so that their authority is respected. Stupid liberals. I meant authority as in “cultural influence”, not authority as in “trying to keep the whole system from falling the f\*\*\* apart”. It’s like Al Gore bloviating on the environment, as opposed to a waste water management technician doing his daily job. One has influence and power, the other actually accomplishes something. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > Couple of thoughts here. How much respect do you have for the current government? For the office of the Presidency and the institution of the Congress? Tons. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > Also, I thought schools were part of the whole liberal brainwashing thing (at least Sean Hannity thinks so). How is losing respect for the teachers doing the liberal brainwashing a bad thing? Some authority is to be questioned, but some is not. Public schools are quite good at teaching differentiation of the two. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > Just not seeing why this deserves a rolleyes. No, you’re probably not. > [@Indistinguishable](#): > > Well, as already mentioned above, the refrain “We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents.” has been voiced throughout the entirety of recorded history. Is there any evidence that the situation is particularly different now from how it always has been? I assume any analysis of parental difficulties faced today as opposed to, say, 30 years ago would have to conclude that it is substantially harder now. I wasn’t raising my children 30 years ago, but I can think of a number of issues which would be simpler to deal with or even non-existent back then. > [@SmashTheState](#): > > Don’t worry, we’re working hard to take that away from you. I hope you live long enough to see us rip your smug bourgeois privilege away from you and force you to confront the evil you’ve caused with your ignorance and cultural hegemony. I lie awake some nights, furious at the knowledge that some of you fuckers are escaping safely into death before we have a chance to rub your noses in the mess you’ve made all over the carpet of life. At least “we’re” escaping safely into death. I suspect the same cannot be said for you, much to your eventual surprise. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/288 "2009-07-14T12:22:02Z")
This just in, liberals immortal. Conservatives _pissed._ ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/289 "2009-07-14T13:03:27Z")
Wow, I missed quite a few posts and I’d like to thank those who supported me in my absence, but instead of addressing all those posts I’ll focus on one in particular. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You may well be happy to eagerly accept figures that support your hope that I’m wrong, but I think a little analyzation and reflection may be needed before I comment. How long do you figure that will take? I assume it won’t take that long as others have done the heavy lifting of looking up the facts for you. I hope to see a post from you soon supporting or retracting your claim. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And of course, in a big-picture sense it makes little difference anyway, unless you want (as it appears) to take minor little statistical discrepency and pretend that it undoes my entire argument…in which case you would only expose the weakness of your own case. I’m not pretending that this one thing undermines your argument. As I said in my first post of this thread, this point is the first of many factual inaccuracies of yours that I plan to address. Out of curiosity, how many of your points have to be shown to be false to undermine your argument, in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/290 "2009-07-14T13:14:54Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Just not seeing why this deserves a rolleyes. Pshaw. The “environment.” Like it even exists. And even if it does we should be raping and pillaging that bitch. Just backhand her once if she tries to give you some “acid rain” or “global warming” sob story. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/291 "2009-07-14T14:03:35Z")
> [@Indistinguishable](#): > > Well, as already mentioned above, the refrain “We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents.” has been voiced throughout the entirety of recorded history. Is there any evidence that the situation is particularly different now from how it always has been? [Things were better before the late '60s.](http://www.tvcrazy.net/images/beaver.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/292 "2009-07-14T14:26:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I had forgotten what a piece of shit you are! > > Not only did you bring up my calling you “granny” (and not for the reason you said but because your filthy, vulgar language was so at odds with most peoples’ image of a loving grandmother doting on her granddaughter) but you completely left out that when you mentioned later on that you no longer post about your granddaughter because of that, I told you that having that effect on you was not my intent and I promised to stop calling you granny at that time. And I have not done so since. > > And now you post vile, filthy shit like this! I fucking dare, defy, challenge or anything else you’d like to call it, you to come up with one fucking instance out of my 7,500 posts that even comes close to indicating that I’m capable of any of those vile accusations. > > You are a vile, disgusting piece of shit! Far, far worse than I ever imagined! Your granddaughter would be well served to keep as far, far away from you as possible in the hope that none of you ever rubs off on her. > > I’ll never treat you with respect or consideration ever again, Granny! Ah, your nostalgia for a more gracious, polite age is quite evident! ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/293 "2009-07-14T14:48:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Ah, your nostalgia for a more gracious, polite age is quite evident! _chuckle_ I believe there’s a word for this. What is it again? Oh yeah, pwned. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/294 "2009-07-14T14:57:28Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Ah, your nostalgia for a more gracious, polite age is quite evident! Yah, but he only acts that way because of liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/295 "2009-07-14T14:57:38Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Ah, your nostalgia for a more gracious, polite age is quite evident! **SA** ’s usual excuse is that the evil liberals have so corrupted our once-polite culture with their vile language that he has **no choice** but to play along and spew the same sort of vulgar language. Yet the outburst you quoted, just like these: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So take your stupid allegations, and your stupid smilies, and stick 'em up your stupid ass! > > Fuckstick! > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Cough up an instance, asshole. …were in reference to posts that did not contain a single profanity. Hypocrisy, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/296 "2009-07-14T15:09:11Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Clench harder. Priceless. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/297 "2009-07-14T15:14:51Z")
Which is why Republican turds are clipped, rather than tapered. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/298 "2009-07-14T15:17:45Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > **Starving Artist** , we have done this before, but I’m not sure everything you said in your long post above has a basis in fact. I’ll pick out an easy one and I await your thoughtful response. > > > [@](#): > > > > The rate of teen childbearing in the United States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 in 1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000 > > That does not seem to agree with this: ([http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html](http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html)) > > Do you dispute that? Not to interrupt the usual love-fest, but I believe the distinction to be kept in mind is that between unwed teen pregnancy, and teen pregnancy in general. In 1957, a pregnant 19 year old was likely to be married. In 2009, she is generally not. ([Cite](http://community.michiana.org/famconn/teenpreg.html)). Since **Starving Artist** mentioned sexual promiscuity specifically, it would seem clear that he was not discussing married teen-agers. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/299 "2009-07-14T15:44:24Z")
A fair point, but he didn’t distinguish between the two; he simply said that teen promiscuity has led to an explosion in the teen pregnancy rate, which is simply not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/300 "2009-07-14T15:58:12Z")
Another thing to consider is that in the '50s a pregnant girl would often get married immediately. So you’d have to extract women with babies born 9 months or less after the wedding from the married statistics. Then you’d have to factor in how many preemies would be born naturally, and how many women would get pregnant in their first month married naturally… it’s a complex thing. Just looking at how many married versus unmarried tells you very little about pre-marital shenanigans. But in any case Starving Artist is still a moron. And Shodan is still remarkably short sighted and unable to appreciate nuance. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=16)