# Starving Artist Has Issues With Long Hair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775 "2009-07-12T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/441 "2009-07-15T21:00:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Be forewarned however than I’m frankly disinclined to respond to TLDR I agree! In fact, my disinclination is so great that I’m sitting on a perfectly level surface and as this thread makes me literally boil with rage, I’m carving bitter slogans into my thighs with a boxcutter and the blood is pooling around me in a perfect circle symbolizing the symmetry of my fury. Ah, memory lane… ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/442 "2009-07-15T21:07:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What makes you think Lizzie Borden was a lesbian? I don’t know either, but it’s worth remembering that Lizzie Borden was acquitted of the murder of her parents. I realize acquittal doesn’t necessarily equal innocence, but I personally believe she was innocent ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/443 "2009-07-15T21:13:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What makes you think Lizzie Borden was a lesbian? It’s one of the conspiracy theories floating around the case. Most esteemed [cite](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1894/did-lizzie-borden-kill-her-parents-with-an-ax-because-she-was-discovered-having-a-lesbian-affair). ---
**Author:** ![Salix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3e96dc/32.png) [@Salix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salix)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/444 "2009-07-15T23:31:28Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Everyone knows the greatest period in human history was the late '80s/early '90s. The fact that this was the time of my own childhood development is only a happy coincidence. It’s a proven fact that the high point of pop culture occurred [when you were twelve years old](http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2007/06/14/boll/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/445 "2009-07-15T23:40:51Z")
> [@Salix](#): > > It’s a proven fact that the high point of pop culture occurred [when you were twelve years old](http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2007/06/14/boll/index.html). You mean–gasp–1968??? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/446 "2009-07-15T23:59:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If you want to agree to wipe the slate clean and start over again, it would be fine with me. OK. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Be forewarned however than I’m frankly disinclined to respond to TLDR posts such as **FinnAgain** and occasionally you like to confront me with, nor to engage is cite vs. cite pissing contests. It is often difficult enough to keep up with posts directed at me as it is without having to deal with posts that would take an hour or two to read, research and respond to in the bargain. In that event however, I will agree to try not to be dismissive or rude in my declinations. A suggestion: If you don’t wish to have very long, researched responses to your posts, try to tone down the rhetoric to a more realistic level. I shall endeavor to remain polite, but I am not going to allow statements that I find outside the realm of reality to pass unremarked. Have a nice day, (if you do not find that too insulting as having been coined after 1968). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/447 "2009-07-16T01:09:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Suggestion: amend thread title to “ **Starving Artist has issues** ”. I actually almost did use that for the thread title, but I chose “Long Hair” instead, because I thought it was so funny when he included it in his litany of offenses against civil society, along with drug abuse, dressing like “scuzzbags,” and “fucking in the mud.” For the record, I’m intrigued by the “fucking in the mud” bit. Why isn’t there more of this? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/448 "2009-07-16T01:12:05Z")
Ever fuck on the beach? Only once, I guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/449 "2009-07-16T01:25:26Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > You mean–gasp–1968??? When _was_ **Starving Artist** born? Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/450 "2009-07-16T01:37:40Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > For the record, I’m intrigued by the “fucking in the mud” bit. Why isn’t there more of this? Well, don’t know about the rest of the country, but here in Texas there hasn’t been any decent mud to fuck in for _months_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/451 "2009-07-16T01:42:05Z")
All the chiggers been wiped out? Wonderful news. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/452 "2009-07-16T01:48:04Z")
> [@Indistinguishable](#): > > When _was_ **Starving Artist** born? Just curious. Judging from his level of insight? Yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/453 "2009-07-16T01:58:22Z")
Well, the whole “Kaiser Bill” thing was over in 1918, so… ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/454 "2009-07-16T02:07:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ever fuck on the beach? Only once, I guarantee. Throw a beach towel down for fucks sake… literally. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/455 "2009-07-16T06:44:19Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > OK. Good. > [@tomndebb](#): > > A suggestion: If you don’t wish to have very long, researched responses to your posts, try to tone down the rhetoric to a more realistic level. > I shall endeavor to remain polite, but I am not going to allow statements that I find outside the realm of reality to pass unremarked. I don’t mind long, researched responses and I wouldn’t expect you to let comments I make that you disagree with to go unremarked. I just ask that you not interpret my lack of response, if indeed there is none, as rudeness, dissmissiveness or an insult. > [@tomndebb](#): > > Have a nice day, (if you do not find that too insulting as having been coined after 1968). 😃 Not at all. Many things have happened or come into being since 1968 that I think are fine, or, in some cases, wonderful. Most of those which I haven’t, you are already familiar with. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/456 "2009-07-16T06:56:31Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Whoooo! I neglected to check this thread yesterday and look what I missed, a totally spectacular flame! My husband pointed this out to me when he caught up with the thread. > > **Starving Artist** , I don’t care what you think of me. I think you’re a fool and a half. Your insults are as foolish as (most of) the rest of your opinions. They make me chuckle with amusement at best, and roll my eyes and mutter “idiot” at worst. I may be a “big, fat, gray-haired old biddy” (damn, are you in junior high?) but at least I don’t believe that the Beatles and liberals caused the downfall of society. You’re a silly person. > > That said, and with the caveat that I’m not saying the following because of your rant, but because I gave it some thought and came to this conclusion yesterday but hadn’t had a chance to catch up with the thread and post until now, > > I apologize to you. I only made the tenuous connection because those freepers seemed to be the type of people who pined for the Luci Baines Johnson days when a First Daughter wore white gloves in public, and not a t-shirt and shorts, and especially not a t-shirt with the uh, horrifically offensive peace symbol on it. The very basis of their rants, alongside racism, was wanting a return to the good old days when even presidents who were Democrats, besides having the good sense to unrepentantly bomb the shit out of other countries like a real man, had daughters who knew their place and how to dress in public. It was that side, not the racism side, that I was connecting you with. I apologize because I insulted you without articulating why, and the two got understandably mixed up. Plus I had no idea how you felt about Malia Obama and would not have said that had I known of your regard for her. > > Even though you think that blacks had it better before the civil rights era, I can’t say I think you’re an actual racist, just a willfully ignorant person. So while I just insulted you again, I do apologize for most of post #164, both for the Malia connection, and for the racism connection. (the Audra Shay part of the post has yet to be determined, and stands as is) > > Now, THAT said, I still find it amusing that you focused your ire on me with a very colorful meltdown when, as GIGObuster pointed out (thanks!) I had said that I would “not at all be surprised” rather than stating it as some sort of certainty. Not that I blame you based on what you’ve written since, but I do find it interesting that you didn’t feel it necessary to condemn those bastions of gentility and decorum over at Free Republic. > > The liberals made them do it? Thanks for the explanation. Even at the height of my ire, something, somehow, seemed odd in that you would accuse me of that kind of behavior. I had thought that you and I had reached a kind of rapprochement based on our mutual grudging respect for certain talents we pervceived in each other. Still, I could only go by what you said. I am happy to withdraw the insulting things I said about you in light of your explanation. Besides, you were never that fat, that gray-haired or that much of a biddy in the first place. 😉 Apology accepted. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/457 "2009-07-16T08:03:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Throw a beach towel down for fucks sake… literally. Huh. Someone on the Dope got sand in their vagina? Hardly news. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/458 "2009-07-16T15:45:41Z")
Well, it wasn’t _mine_, exactly. Borrowing, maybe. Burrowing. Something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/459 "2009-07-16T16:58:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My guess is if you asked a group of middle-aged and older blacks whether they felt safer and happier in those days than they do now, the answer would be yes. Your **GUESS**? Don’t waste our time with “guesses”, man – go get some **data**. Ask, oh, one hundred black people old enough to have lived in the pre-civil-rights era whether or not they preferred the pre-civil-rights era and report back to us. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/460 "2009-07-16T17:07:59Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I said “SOME THINGS” about the 50s were better, not that the decade as a whole was better. The specific claim before us is the assertion that the 1950s were a more civil era. Arbitrarily depriving people of basic rights is profoundly uncivil, and is thus pertinent evidence in evaluating (or, more precisely, refuting) the claim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=24)