# Starving Artist Has Issues With Long Hair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775 "2009-07-12T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/41 "2009-07-12T21:19:07Z")
> [@](#): > > CENTERVILLE, ILLINOIS, 1958 > > It was a simple time, of Eisenhower, > > twin beds, and Elvis > > from the waist up – a safe, > > quiet moment in history. > > As a matter of fact, > > except for the Communists > > and rock-and-roll, > > there was not much to fear. > > Not much at all… until that night. – _Strange Invaders_ title crawl. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/42 "2009-07-12T21:19:42Z")
> [@Darkhold](#): > > Actually the notion that there was a significant difference in violent crime in the 1950’s isn’t really true. At least not with murders. > > 4.6 to 5.9 per 100,000 Not that big of a jump. Bit of a spike in the 80’s during the gang warfare. Well, it gradually increased to far greater numbers towards the late 60s and all throughout the 70s until it was dramatically higher. It does seem to be shrinking as of the past decade. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/43 "2009-07-12T21:20:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think it was waterproof Sheetrock/drywall. It was something like that, I’m not entirely clear myself. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/44 "2009-07-12T21:20:34Z")
Well, they were right, weren’t they? Communists are everywhere, and rock and roll has turned our youth into mindless fucking/killing/drug-using machines! ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/45 "2009-07-12T21:33:23Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Well, it gradually increased to far greater numbers towards the late 60s and all throughout the 70s until it was dramatically higher. It does seem to be shrinking as of the past decade. But we’re not talking about the 80’s. We’re talking about now and as of right now there’s no real difference. It’d make a hell of a lot more sense to be talking about how much BETTER things are since 1980 instead of how much worse they are then 1950. Really we’re living in a time now that’s almost comparable. In any case anyone who insists that crime is significantly higher now doesn’t really know what they are talking about. I imagine a few data points (such as rape) might be higher now but I’d put that down more to reports and the fact date rape is treated as an actual crime now instead of ‘boys will be boys’ as it would have been in the 50’s. I guess what I’m saying is SA should worry less about how much worse things are since hippies and instead reflect on how much better things are since we got rid of Glam Metal. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/46 "2009-07-12T21:54:26Z")
> [@Darkhold](#): > > But we’re not talking about the 80’s. We’re talking about now and as of right now there’s no real difference. It’d make a hell of a lot more sense to be talking about how much BETTER things are since 1980 instead of how much worse they are then 1950. Really we’re living in a time now that’s almost comparable. LIES! The 80s were the best decade EVER because Saint Ronnie was President! Heretic!!! **Starving Artist** is a fool, but we all knew that anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/47 "2009-07-12T22:03:37Z")
As long as I have been lurking and posting on this board, I will never EVER understand why anyone bothers to try to have a conversation with **Starving Artist**. He’s not interested, he’s not listening, and it’s a colossal waste of time, energy, and brain cells to try to engage him in an honest discussion about anything. Any small possible point he has to make about anything at all will always be lost in the rampant tangential bullshit that he spews, and if the point is at all valid, another conservative member whose not insane and congenitally dishonest will make the same point in a way that allows dialogue. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/48 "2009-07-12T22:05:41Z")
**Kolga** , wanna come sit in the corner with me? Let’s order some cold beverages and enjoy the show. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/49 "2009-07-12T22:11:48Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Anytime anyone ever even makes the slightest suggestion that some things about the “good old days” were better, someone comes in mentioning Jim Crow. Yah, because that shows that _they weren’t actually better._ The irony is that SA remembers the period as “civil”. Civility is more than simply not saying the word ‘fuck’ and not wearing a hat indoors. A society can’t claim to be comporting itself civilly if women and minorities can legally be discriminated against, not to mention that marital rape was still legal. And of course there was McCarthyism. It’s interesting, too, that SA blames ‘revisionism’ on an honest appraisal of history. He once claimed that, for instance, teen pregnancy was up now (due to liberals, natch). Of course, the fact was that teen pregnancy peaked _in the 1950’s_. He changed the subject and didn’t retract his claim. Look, were some things about the 50’s nice? Sure. We didn’t have crack cocaine, people with young children could let them watch TV without fearing that they’d pick up inappropriate messages/language, etc… But it was also a vile, vile time in our country’s history when we set up concentration camps and engaged in legalized discrimination and so on and so on and so on. Imagine if your friend introduced you to a girl who he thought you should date. And she was stylishly dressed, and she didn’t curse. And the first words out of her mouth when she met you were “Are you a Jew? Because I hate Jews and think that they should be kept away from polite society and we should make laws restricting their freedoms of movement, employment, etc…” Would you be impressed? Would you think she was very nifty? Would you object if someone pointed out “But she’s a Jew hater!” ? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/50 "2009-07-12T22:17:24Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Where would he go to take a mini-poll of middle-aged and old Blacks? :eek: > (at least, where he would be _able_ to come back and tell us) Start with the Dope. We would find out how many old blacks are members. By the way ,the marches for black rights was heavily populated with priests, nuns, mothers who brought their children and many suburbanites. He is showing his ignorance again. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/51 "2009-07-12T22:34:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s been my experience that conservatives are much more willing to see the point of view of their opponents than their opponents are to see the point of view of conservatives. It’s that old “Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people” thing. > > Ironic, isn’t it, that it’s actually conservatives who are more fluid in their beliefs and opinions than are liberals, who are the most inflexible, demanding and angry of all society’s members. It’s interesting that you used the “liberals think conservatives are bad people” idea while at the same time blaming nearly all of societies ills upon liberals. Must’ve meant it in the nicest way possible. It’s also interesting that you accuse liberals of being inflexible, demanding, and angry while again blaming the failings of modern society on liberals and repeatedly insisting that your own rosy reminiscings of how things used to be are iron clad facts and refusing to admit that you may be wrong. How fluid of you. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/52 "2009-07-12T22:57:26Z")
Is he back from Shelbyville yet? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/53 "2009-07-12T23:02:10Z")
I’m growing some dread locks man. I’ll send **Starving Artist** some action shots when they’re done. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/54 "2009-07-12T23:18:38Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Imagine if your friend introduced you to a girl who he thought you should date. And she was stylishly dressed, and she didn’t curse. And the first words out of her mouth when she met you were “Are you a Jew? Because I hate Jews and think that they should be kept away from polite society and we should make laws restricting their freedoms of movement, employment, etc…” > Would you be impressed? Would you think she was very nifty? Would you object if someone pointed out “But she’s a Jew hater!” ? I’ll do ya one better. I’m black, \*\*Mrs. Jolly Roger \*\*is white. I don’t think the 1950’s would have been a good time for us to be married. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/55 "2009-07-12T23:25:05Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Yah, because that shows that _they weren’t actually better._ I said “SOME THINGS” about the 50s were better, not that the decade as a whole was better. What’s wrong with wanting some things about the 50s to come back without the bad things to come back too? For instance, I’m always hearing stories of how you used to be able to bring rifles to class to go hunting after school or whatever, and that there were shooting teams in high schools and that you used to be able to take your kids shooting and teach them gun safety without automatically being classified as a “gun nut”. It was a culture that wasn’t so goddamn _afraid_ of guns. They were accepted as a part of life, and as a pastime. Way more people either grew up hunting, or served in the military, therefore people _knew_ about firearms. This is just one example of something from the 50s that is better than how things are now. Does that mean I also want to reinstitute segregation or something? Fuck no - I think the good things about the 50s should be remembered as good, and the bad things should be remembered as bad. Anyway you said something about the government setting up concentration camps in the 1950s - what exactly are you referring to here? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/56 "2009-07-12T23:41:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is he back from Shelbyville yet? “Willoughby… next stop, Willoughby…” ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/57 "2009-07-12T23:42:26Z")
Bring back the **Fonz!** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/58 "2009-07-12T23:43:50Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Willoughby… next stop, Willoughby…” _snerk_😃 Nicely done! Right up to the line, without violating the ‘wish’ rule! ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/59 "2009-07-12T23:50:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My guess is if you asked a group of middle-aged and older blacks whether they felt safer and happier in those days than they do now, the answer would be yes. Liberalism, in its unthinking and eager embrace of every negative thing to come out of black culture, has contributed to a very large degree to the crime, drugs and gangland misery that has been the lot of many blacks in this country. I’m mostly on board with the “ignore the crotchety old guy” plan, but I really feel the need to point out how laughable this paragraph is. Sure, there are a lot of black people living in the crappy portions of the inner cities who live in fear of gun violence. But those people didn’t live without fear in the 50s either, when they lived under very real threat to life and limb from the police and random racists. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775/60 "2009-07-13T00:33:48Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Anyway you said something about the government setting up concentration camps in the 1950s - what exactly are you referring to here? The concentration camps we rounded up Japanese Americans into and kept them there. Not during the 50’s but a few years prior. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-has-issues-with-long-hair/502775.md?page=4)