# Starving Artist: Totally Insane? Or Just Almost? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678 "2008-10-13T05:04:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/61 "2008-10-13T23:37:46Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s nonsense, and only an uneducated fool would believe it. You clearly have no knowledge at all of what society was like before that time. He knows what it was like for people like him. It’s those scary “others” that he never takes into account. Jesus, the man said once that black people were very happy before the Civil Rights Movement. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/62 "2008-10-14T00:10:36Z")
**Starving Artist** , like many on the right, wants to bring America back to a golden age which never actually existed. [QUOTE=SA] I admit I erred when I said that. I was responding to Terrifel’s characterization of my previous post and used his term by way of response. I apologize. I should have said liberals are responsible for the fact that there are so few classy women (and men, for that matter) these days to begin with. Is there really doubt in anyone’s mind that today’s society is much more crass, impolite and vulgar than it was prior to the cultural revolution that began in the late sixties? Hell, many liberals readily acknowledge it themselves but claim it was necessary to eliminate racism, or sexism, or whatever othere ‘ism’ they’re using to excuse it that day. [/QUOTE] Yep, I for one vote women all go back to the kitchen and blacks go back to knowing their role. > [@](#): > > And I stand by every word of that post, and the next person who tries to claim I’m EVIL because I’m gonna vote Republican, is very likely gonna get more of the same. You’re not evil because you’re voting Republican. You’re voting Republican because you’re evil. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/63 "2008-10-14T00:22:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You’re not evil because you’re voting Republican. You’re voting Republican because you’re evil. 😉 _If_ he’s evil, it’s for putting his own social comfort ahead of other people’s basic human rights. There are Democrats who would do the same. (I know you’re joking, but I wanted to address it nevertheless.) ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/64 "2008-10-14T00:42:57Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Starving Artist** is not insane at all, just mistaken if he really believes all that he says he believes. He’s also very talented and his interests indicate an intelligence that doesn’t spend all of its time asleep or at the computer. I strongly disagree. He is one industrial strength idiot. [Exhibit 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10280784#post10280784) He went into that thread claiming something totally idotic. He insisted on his claim until there was enough people telling him there was no way that could be so. And then he disappeared without a word. Too small to admit he was talking out of his ass. I had to restrain myself from pitting him then. Now is a good time to tell him he is a frucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/65 "2008-10-14T00:47:57Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > I strongly disagree. He is one industrial strength idiot. > [Exhibit 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10280784#post10280784) **Starving Artist** ≠ **Smiling Bandit**. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/66 "2008-10-14T00:48:38Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > I strongly disagree. He is one industrial strength idiot. > [Exhibit 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10280784#post10280784) > He went into that thread claiming something totally idotic. He insisted on his claim until there was enough people telling him there was no way that could be so. And then he disappeared without a word. Too small to admit he was talking out of his ass. I had to restrain myself from pitting him then. Now is a good time to tell him he is a frucking idiot. Either I’m confused, I’m being wooshed, or you linked to the wrong thread, but I don’t see **Starving Artist** in that thread. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/67 "2008-10-14T00:54:50Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Either I’m confused, I’m being wooshed, or you linked to the wrong thread, but I don’t see **Starving Artist** in that thread. sailor got **Starving Artist** and **Smiling Bandit** confused. They’re both conservative. One isn’t crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/68 "2008-10-14T01:31:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > sailor got **Starving Artist** and **Smiling Bandit** confused. They’re both conservative. One isn’t crazy. Yeah, **Polycarp** can’t tell us apart either. Makes me a little less inclined to take either one seriously. Hey, **Banquet Bear**! How the hell are ya? Long time, no see. 🙂 Email me a forwarding address and I’ll send you a whole case. 😃 Hi, darling **Zoe**! thanks for the kind words. As I’ve said before, if all liberals were like you this country would be a much better place. As for the numerous (and predictable) misstatements about what I’ve said, what I believe and what I allegedly want, they’ll have to wait until I have sufficient time to address them as given the sheer number of them composing responses will likely take hours. Or on the other hand, I might choose to adopt the position that if you can’t argue against the things I’ve actually said and you have to misrepresent them instead, I’ve already won anyway. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/69 "2008-10-14T01:42:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > sailor got **Starving Artist** and **Smiling Bandit** confused. They’re both conservative. One isn’t crazy. Oh shit. I’m sorry. Please disregard my post and accept my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/70 "2008-10-14T01:54:41Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Oh shit. I’m sorry. Please disregard my post and accept my apologies. Done, and done. Thanks very much for the apology. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/71 "2008-10-14T02:27:10Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Too true. People were very polite to you if you were a white male. Not so much if you were black or looked a bit different. I won’t speak for women, but I don’t think wolf whistling is considered proper any more. The point about being black (or Chinese, or whatever) is of course a good one. Life for a black man prior to the Civil Rights movement could be hellish. It’s stupid and preposterous to suggest society was more civil because it was more civil just for white folks. But to be honest, it’s not true for white people, either. Prior to WWII - even before the Depression - a lot of things went on in common society we’d consider appalling today. Open fistfights between grown men were commonplace. Drunkenness was extremely rampant, vastly more so than now - there is a reason Prohibition was a popular movement - and as destructive, if not more so, than all narcotics are today combined. Child abuse, teenaged pregnancy, child abandonment and the like were all commonplace, albeit not spoken of. Workers were treated poorly and subjected to hazardous working conditions as a matter of course. And of course, if you didn’t like a black guy in your store, you told the “nigger” to get the hell out. That trumps a lot of rap lyrics, in my opinion. The idea that manners and politeness are on the decline is an idea people have beleived since before Starving Artist’s great-grandparents were born; indeed, it likely goes back to before Columbus discovered America. If it had been true all this time by now we’d be setting each other on fire with flamethrowers every time two people met. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/72 "2008-10-14T02:45:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The point about being black (or Chinese, or whatever) is of course a good one. Life for a black man prior to the Civil Rights movement could be hellish. It’s stupid and preposterous to suggest society was more civil because it was more civil just for white folks. White _men_. I think that any woman who didn’t keep to her “place” found society less than civil. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/73 "2008-10-14T06:32:10Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > _If_ he’s evil, it’s for putting his own social comfort ahead of other people’s basic human rights. There are Democrats who would do the same. This is utter nonsense. Nobody’s basic human rights have to suffer in order for people to not act like assholes. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **Starving Artist** , like many on the right, wants to bring America back to a golden age which never actually existed. That “golden age”, as you put it, only seems golden when compared with society today. However, you’re wrong that I want to take America back there. I don’t waste my time wanting the impossible. What I _want_ is to keep you guys from screwing things up even worse than they are now. As to your Republican/evil wisecrack, I have only this to say: 😉 > [@jsgoddess](#): > > He knows what it was like for people like him. It’s those scary “others” that he never takes into account. Jesus, the man said once that black people were very happy before the Civil Rights Movement. More dumbassedness from you. You’re really on a roll aren’t you? When have I ever referred to anyone as either ‘scary’ or ‘others’? Never, that’s when. And when did I ever say black people were ‘very happy’ before the Civil Rights Movement? Again, never! If you can’t attack me honestly, you have no business attacking me at all (though you’ll certainly have plenty of company) because then I win the point, you see. > [@mhendo](#): > > To SA’s credit, he has, at times, been very open and honest about his narrow-mindedness. He has stated on numerous occasions that arguments based on research and evidence and historical analysis are less important and less relevant to him than arguments rooted in personal experience. Yeah, who am I gonna believe, you or my lying eyes? 😃 And why did you not also include my reasons for making those statements? You know perfectly well that for any so-called proof, statistics, reports, whatever that someone on one side here presents, the other side can just as easily find proofs, statistics, reports, etc. to support the opposite view. Most of the time around here I simply have to take a look at who’s presenting the data to know wheter that data will be suspect…and even if I believe in the integrity of the poster at hand, there’s still plenty of room for doubt as to whether his cites are tell the whole story and can be accepted as incontrovertible proof. I lived for twenty years before all this shit started (and just to nip in the bud any notion that I’m talking about racial and sexual equality, see my comments that Rubystreak posted upthread) and I travelled around the country a fair amount during that time and experienced a lot of different people in a lot of different situations. I know perfectly well how people behaved then, and it was nothing like you’ve all either been taught or deluded yourselves into believing. > [@RickJay](#): > > It’s nonsense, and only an uneducated fool would believe it. You clearly have no knowledge at all of what society was like before that time. > > Ignorance isn’t a valid point of view; your opinions on this matter are wholly based in ignorance. No, I’m afraid it’s your opinion here that is wholly based in ignorance. See my post to **mhendo** above. I lived and experienced quite a lot of this country for at least twenty years before you guys started fucking things up, and I’ve watched with disgust and disdain every step of the way as they’ve gotten worse and worse. > [@Terrifel](#): > > Remember, folks: conservatives have no control over their own ability to express values such as class and sophistication. So the next time a conservative dons that Klan hood and rallies the crowd to kill for Jesus, ask yourself: how did liberals cause this? And people say I’m the one who’s like **Der Trihs**. :rolleyes: You’re a fucking idiot! Still, even assuming it’s a conservative who dons the Klan hood and rallies the crowd (does anyone even do that anymore) and not a southern Democrat (I know, I know…they are really Republicans at heart), your point is still ridiculous. Do you have any idea how many millions of conservatives live in this country, and how few of them have ever even seen a Klansman? Your equation of conservatives with lynching Klansmen is dispicable, though not out of the ordinary around here. And yes I noticed you managed to work Jesus into the equation as well. Big deal. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > **SA** is not insane. He’s just a fucking tool. He’s not particularly bright, but he’s nowhere near as dumb as xtisme. Wow, a compliment from **Hector the Librarian**. Cool. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Here’s the great thing about Starving for Attention: He thinks you care about where he’s going and what he’s doing away from the boards, and will always give you the John Boy “Goodnight Mary Ellen.” > > With that, I’m off to the restroom to urinate. I’ll be back in five minutes. Unless I stop for some coffee. Then it may be more like 10 to 12 minutes. It’s true. We conservatives are a polite and considerate lot. You may have noticed that **Revenant Threshold** , the poster to whom I directed that comment, politely bade me goodnight as well. Only on the Dope would someone find himself criticized for being polite. Sort of points out the very thing I’ve been complaining about regarding lack of class these days, don’t you think? > [@Zoe](#): > > But keep in mind, S.A., that I am one of those Democrat Babes. I bet you are, too. 🙂 > [@Zoe](#): > > Don’t hurt me. I would never hurt you. I would _protect_ you! (Okay, that’s only a line from some movie, but it’s appropriate nonetheless.) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/74 "2008-10-14T06:41:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You know perfectly well that for any so-called proof, statistics, reports, whatever that someone on one side here presents, the other side can just as easily find proofs, statistics, reports, etc. to support the opposite view. Most of the time around here I simply have to take a look at who’s presenting the data to know wheter that data will be suspect…and even if I believe in the integrity of the poster at hand, there’s still plenty of room for doubt as to whether his cites are tell the whole story and can be accepted as incontrovertible proof. > > I lived for twenty years before all this shit started (and just to nip in the bud any notion that I’m talking about racial and sexual equality, see my comments that Rubystreak posted upthread) and I travelled around the country a fair amount during that time and experienced a lot of different people in a lot of different situations. I know perfectly well how people behaved then, and it was nothing like you’ve all either been taught or deluded yourselves into believing. > > No, I’m afraid it’s your opinion here that is wholly based in ignorance. See my post to **mhendo** above. I lived and experienced quite a lot of this country for at least twenty years before you guys started fucking things up, and I’ve watched with disgust and disdain every step of the way as they’ve gotten worse and worse. The great thing about **Starving Artist** is that he makes my case for me every time he posts. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/75 "2008-10-14T06:51:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …It’s true. We conservatives are a polite and considerate lot… Indeed. Your civility and decorum are the stuff of legend. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/76 "2008-10-14T07:17:25Z")
Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/77 "2008-10-14T07:21:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Indeed. Your civility and decorum are the stuff of legend. If only he wasn’t evil for voting republican. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/78 "2008-10-14T07:39:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Fuck you. Though I’m sure **luci** gets the gag, I should probably point out to the more humor-impaired among you that that was a _joke_! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/79 "2008-10-14T09:47:55Z")
Are you saying that you were deliberately acting like a Dick? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/80 "2008-10-14T10:58:30Z")
> [@BMax](#): > > He’s not just talking about one person, He’s talking about everybody. He’s talking about form. He’s talking about content. He’s talking about interrelationships. He’s talking about God, the devil, Hell, Heaven. Do you understand… FINALLY? I want MY cigarettes, Miss Ratched! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678.md?page=5)