# Starving Artist: Totally Insane? Or Just Almost? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678 "2008-10-13T05:04:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/81 "2008-10-14T11:43:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And when did I ever say black people were ‘very happy’ before the Civil Rights Movement? Never, to my knowledge. You \*did \*say… > [@Starving Artist](#): > > So yes, had I been a black man or a woman in the 50s, I might feel that things are better now. **But when I look at how little they seemed to feel put upon in the pre-sixties era** , and I look at the criminality, widespread use of drugs, filthy, vulgar misogynistic rap music, rampant STDs, and overall decline of societal civility, I’m hard pressed to think things are better now. … which still stands out in my mind as the single most retarded thing I’ve ever seen posted here, so congratulations. It’s the perfect encapsulation of \*\*mhendo’s \*\*argument about you. “Well, _I_ didn’t know any disgruntled black folk. None of them complained to _me_.” ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/82 "2008-10-14T11:56:54Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Never, to my knowledge. You \*did \*say… > > … which still stands out in my mind as the single most retarded thing I’ve ever seen posted here, so congratulations. > > It’s the perfect encapsulation of \*\*mhendo’s \*\*argument about you. “Well, _I_ didn’t know any disgruntled black folk. None of them complained to _me_.” There was a related comment at one point about how African Americans, or perhaps people whose civil rights were being shat upon more generally, would have themselves preferred a more gradual transition than the sudden and drastic change that the awful liberals imposed upon everyone. No, not as retarded as the quote you found, but similar. Kind of reminds me of the Dan Quayle quote to people in American Samoa, IIRC, about “happy campers you have been, and happy campers you will be.” ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/83 "2008-10-14T12:36:39Z")
Just for fun, a gem of paranoid, blame-liberals-for-everything hilarity from SA. I will try to find more of these, since there’s a Pit thread going, but this is the first one I came across this morning. I’m not even going to comment on them, just post them for your collective amusement and edification. [Liberals are responsible for STD rates](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10186548&postcount=56): > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Given the “sexual revolution” that occurred in the late sixties; the premature sexualization of children and teenagers in the drastically more permissible culture (television, movies, music, etc.) that liberals have championed since the cultural revolution of the late sixties; the fact that feminists and magazines such as Cosmopolitan essentially evangelize for sexual promiscuity on the part of females so as to “be the same” as boys; and the almost complete breakdown of reviled “family values” since the counter-culture revolution of the late sixties…I would assert that only the stupid, the deluded or outright liars could assert that ‘liberalism’ was not responsible for current STD rates. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/84 "2008-10-14T13:11:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > However, you’re wrong that I want to take America back there. I don’t waste my time wanting the impossible. What I _want_ is to keep you guys from screwing things up even worse than they are now. Here’s the problem - you can’t have all those things you say you’re not against (womens’ lib, the Civil Rights era, etc.) without all this other stuff you’re railing against. Anyway, on what possible grounds could you blame liberals for drugs in society? ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/85 "2008-10-14T14:00:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And people say I’m the one who’s like **Der Trihs**. :rolleyes: They do? That wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that you think conservatives couldn’t find a decent VP candidate because of liberal psychic interference, would it? > [@](#): > > You’re a fucking idiot! Are you joking again? Or are liberals controlling you right now? I can’t tell. > [@](#): > > Still, even assuming it’s a conservative who dons the Klan hood and rallies the crowd (does anyone even do that anymore) and not a southern Democrat (I know, I know…they are really Republicans at heart), your point is still ridiculous. Oh my god, **Starving Artist** thinks I’ve made a ridiculous statement. My credibility is in shambles. I also notice you’ve brought political parties back into the discussion, after explicitly disavowing that was ever your point to begin with. Classy. > [@](#): > > Do you have any idea how many millions of conservatives live in this country, and how few of them have ever even seen a Klansman? Not really, no. I thought that was the purpose of the hood-- so conservatives couldn’t be identified in their roles as Klansmen. I freely admit that many conservatives likely don’t embrace the Klan. Again, the Amish come to mind. > [@](#): > > Your equation of conservatives with lynching Klansmen is dispicable, though not out of the ordinary around here. I admit I erred when I said that. I was responding to your post, and therefore I had no control over my own words. I apologize. 😃 > [@](#): > > And yes I noticed you managed to work Jesus into the equation as well. Big deal. What can I say? He’s one of my favorite liberals. > [@](#): > > It’s true. We conservatives are a polite and considerate lot. But very easily mind-controlled, which is understandably confusing to onlookers. You should look into some form of headgear to screen that effect. Or consider abstaining from politics. No offense intended, but our country sorely needs reliable leaders with demonstrable immunity to malign psychotronic influence. You’ve seen what the liberals have made Bush do over the past eight years. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/86 "2008-10-14T14:31:34Z")
Ya know, even though I disagree with **SA’s** reasoning about liberalism’s responsibility for STDs, etc., I’m inclined to grab the bull by the horns and attack his moral premises rather than his factual ones. Suppose for the sake of argument that liberalism has led to bad consequences for society. Why not just say, So what? If respecting people’s rights leads to bad consequences, that is no reason to abridge people’s rights. Rights exist to protect individuals from considerations of social utility. Even if the gay rights movement and the corresponding greater tolerance for gays \*has \*lead to greater incidence of disease in the gay community, BFD. The state doesn’t have the right to restrict what consenting adults do sexually, even if positive consequences would arise from such a restriction. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/87 "2008-10-14T15:13:37Z")
You know, this whole liberal/STD thing is starting to sound a mite personal. Is there something you would like to share with the group? Get it off your, ah, chest? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/88 "2008-10-14T15:35:04Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > Ya know, even though I disagree with **SA’s** reasoning about liberalism’s responsibility for STDs, etc., I’m inclined to grab the bull by the horns and attack his moral premises rather than his factual ones. Suppose for the sake of argument that liberalism has led to bad consequences for society. Why not just say, So what? If respecting people’s rights leads to bad consequences, that is no reason to abridge people’s rights. Rights exist to protect individuals from considerations of social utility. Even if the gay rights movement and the corresponding greater tolerance for gays \*has \*lead to greater incidence of disease in the gay community, BFD. The state doesn’t have the right to restrict what consenting adults do sexually, even if positive consequences would arise from such a restriction. Excellent point and I agree. Though the factual errors are hilarious and shouldn’t be ignored for that fact alone. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/89 "2008-10-14T17:42:02Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Never, to my knowledge. You \*did \*say… > > > [@Starving Artist](#): > > > > So yes, had I been a black man or a woman in the 50s, I might feel that things are better now. But when I look at how little they seemed to feel put upon in the pre-sixties era, and I look at the criminality, widespread use of drugs, filthy, vulgar misogynistic rap music, rampant STDs, and overall decline of societal civility, I’m hard pressed to think things are better now. > > … which still stands out in my mind as the single most retarded thing I’ve ever seen posted here, so congratulations. > > It’s the perfect encapsulation of \*\*mhendo’s \*\*argument about you. “Well, _I_ didn’t know any disgruntled black folk. None of them complained to _me_.” Damn, that’s impressive! Those of us who grew up in Virginia back in the day, had to take Virginia History in the fourth grade. Maybe they changed the course for the better later, but in the early 1960s, the text portrayed happy slaves before the Civil War, and troublesome, unhappy Negroes afterwards. **SA** has managed to shift that portrayal a century forward, to the civil-rights era. Sweet. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/90 "2008-10-14T17:59:23Z")
> [@Hector the Librarian](#): > > There was a related comment at one point about how African Americans, or perhaps people whose civil rights were being shat upon more generally, would have themselves preferred a more gradual transition than the sudden and drastic change that the awful liberals imposed upon everyone. **Mr. Moto** , in the Beeyotches thread, said: \*"Well, this view is more widely shared than you might think. **My older black friends often are strangely nostalgic for that era** [bolding mine]- and when I asked one of them about that, he mentioned quite sensibly that civil rights marchers in suits and Sunday dresses wanted to share more equally in the decent society that existed then, not share equally in a less decent society that followed."\* This crap about how a less decent society was necessary to do away with racism is utter bullshit. There’s. no. fucking. correlation. > [@DianaG](#): > > Never, to my knowledge. Exactly. Which means **jsgoddess** was lying, just like I said. > [@DianaG](#): > > You \*did \*say… > > … which still stands out in my mind as the single most retarded thing I’ve ever seen posted here, so congratulations. Well, one can hardly expect to come onto a board dominated by liberals, point out to them all the ways they’ve fucked things up, and expect to be showered with bouquets of roses, can one? > [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Here’s the problem - you can’t have all those things you say you’re not against (womens’ lib, the Civil Rights era, etc.) without all this other stuff you’re railing against. Sure you can. Black people themselves made terrific strides in achieving equal rights during the early to late-sixties by being polite, well-dressed and civil in their marches. It wasn’t until white liberals got into the fray in the late sixties that decency went out the window. Libs (many anyway) love to get in the face of anyone who they think disagrees with them or isn’t moving the way they want fast enough. Even Barack Obama exhorts his followers to _“Argue with your friends and neighbors; get in their face”_. (Something I’m very happy about by the way. For one thing it shows me Obama isn’t quite the rare though classy lib I thought he was, and second, if there’s anything guaranteed to get somebody to do the opposite of what you want, it’s to get in their face and tell them how they should think or vote. And frankly, it’s been my observation that things like decency in society doesn’t matter to liberals in the first place…or at least not in the minds of the ones who drive the movement. > [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Anyway, on what possible grounds could you blame liberals for drugs in society? Well, first of all, remember that I’m talking about people hewing to liberal philosophy, not necessarily the Democrat party. When the cultural revolution began in the late sixties, liberal spokesmen like Timothy Leary, virtually every psychedelic or rock musician in existence, Hollywood, and virtually every leftie I knew at that time, latched onto drugs as if they were manna from heaven. That mindset was also part of the fun of the time…you know, sticking it to the man, not letting society tell you what you can put in your own body, etc., etc. Leftie drug use became so prevalent that movements were born (vestiges of which remain today) to legalize them, and eventually everyone just came to view and accept them as part of day-to-day life in this country. Then that pro-drug mentality (which hopefully you will admit certainly hasn’t emanated from the right) led to more harmful and destructive drugs like cocaine and meth, which has in turn led to the pain, misery, suffering and death that I described in my post which **Rubystreak** posted above. It’s probably worth noting also that I appreciate your efforts to help get my message out, **Rubystreak**. 🙂 > [@Terrifel](#): > > They do? That wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that you think conservatives couldn’t find a decent VP candidate because of liberal psychic interference, would it? Again with the lies! (You guys just can’t argue honestly, can you?). :dubious: I didn’t say conservatives ‘couldn’t’ find a decent VP candidate. What I said, in response to the fun that was being made (and appropriately so, IMO :D) of the coat Palin was wearing, that given her hotness and likeability, we conservatives now kind of have our own Jackie Kennedy, or at least to the degree it’s possible these days, given the society you people have created in which finding classy, stylish and well-turned out women such as Jackie Kennedy is difficult indeed. And as I also said, if one should somehow magically appear, she would undoubtedly be reviled by the left as a snooty rich bitch out of touch with everyday Americans and who thinks she’s better than everyone else. Yep, there’s no room for class, style or manners in the liberal mindset. [Cite](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI) :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/91 "2008-10-14T18:08:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You know, this whole liberal/STD thing is starting to sound a mite personal. Is there something you would like to share with the group? Get it off your, ah, chest? Okay, you got me. My teenage girlfriends and I hate condoms! (But since one out of every four has a case of the nasties, what else can ya do but use 'em or go celibate?) There, happy now? ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/92 "2008-10-14T18:27:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yep, there’s no room for class, style or manners in the liberal mindset. [Cite](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI) :dubious: By parity of reasoning, [there’s no room for class, style or manners in the conservative mindset either.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487795) ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/93 "2008-10-14T18:27:36Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **Starving Artist** , like many on the right, wants to bring America back to a golden age which never actually existed. As opposed to lefties, who would take us forward into an impossible golden age in the future based on a dumbass hippie philosophy of multiculturalism and the worship of diversity for its own sake. I am extremely leary of anyone who takes golden ages seriously. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/94 "2008-10-14T18:35:01Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > As opposed to lefties, who would take us forward into an impossible golden age in the future based on a dumbass hippie philosophy of multiculturalism and the worship of diversity for its own sake. I am extremely leary of anyone who takes golden ages seriously. Just like the right wing to consider xenophobia a virtue, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/95 "2008-10-14T18:40:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Again with the lies! (You guys just can’t argue honestly, can you?). :dubious: What lie? You claimed (proudly!) that Palin was the best you guys could present as a classy and sophisticated representative, and that somehow liberals are directly to blame. > [@](#): > > Yep, there’s no room for class, style or manners in the liberal mindset. [Cite](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI) :dubious: Oh my god. McCain supporters marched through a New York street art festival, and people yelled “Boo!” and “No war!” And some people even gave them “the finger!” There may be even more egregious gestures in there, but it’s hard to make out some of the details on account of all the superimposed text: > [@](#): > > FACT: The number of middle fingers in a “progressive” crowd is directly proportional to the number of PhD degrees in the ten-block radius. > [@](#): > > Republicans should be lucky New York doesn’t have a Coliseum with lions. > [@](#): > > FACT: Islamic radicals would be more welcome on the Upper West Side than American patriots. > [@](#): > > The “liberals” always extend their sympathy for being bullied and rejected… but to America’s enemies. > [@](#): > > “Liberal” elites believe that all ideologies are morally equal… except the one that supports capitalism and individual liberties… the only ideology that makes their lavish lifestyle possible… and so they’re driving it out of town, tarred and feathered. I’m sorry, you were saying something about how “my side” can’t argue honestly? Gosh, “Coliseum with lions?” “Tarred and feathered?” Yeah, I could sense the atmosphere of violent persecution from the way the marchers were peacefully allowed to complete their demonstration. By the way, **Starving Artist** , what is that tune playing on your video clip? It sounds vaguely familiar, but I can’t seem to place it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/96 "2008-10-14T18:49:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Just like the right wing to consider xenophobia a virtue, isn’t it? Just like a leftie to consider anti-white racism a virture, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/97 "2008-10-14T18:51:44Z")
Just like \*\*LonesomePolecat \*\*to throw the word “racist” around while continuing to profoundly misunderstand what it means. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/98 "2008-10-14T18:52:44Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Just like a leftie to consider anti-white racism a virture, isn’t it? Liar. Multiculturalism =/= racism against white people, and only someone who somehow thinks that white people somehow deserve to be considered exceptional among all others would think so. You can’t play nice and simply be one part of this collage of immigration and world culture we call the US, perhaps you’d prefer to live in one of the more traditionally monocultural European countries instead. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/99 "2008-10-14T19:00:05Z")
**jayjay** , please don’t try to unload our problems on Europe. I haven’t yet fully given up hope of visiting there someday. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/100 "2008-10-14T19:01:49Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Liar. Multiculturalism =/= racism against white people, and only someone who somehow thinks that white people somehow deserve to be considered exceptional among all others would think so. You can’t play nice and simply be one part of this collage of immigration and world culture we call the US, perhaps you’d prefer to live in one of the more traditionally monocultural European countries instead. Aw, fuck that shit, you whiny little pussy. Anti-white racism is the most ubiquitous form of racism today, and multiculturalism is one of its forms. The men who founded this country never intended it to be a beautiful multicultural rainbow, and whites in America never consented to being reduced to a minority in the country their own ancestors founded. Whites have absolutely nothing to gain from giving up their status as the dominant majority, and this “collage of immigration and world culture” is becoming dangerously more unstable with every passing decade. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678.md?page=6)