# Starving Artist: Totally Insane? Or Just Almost? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678 "2008-10-13T05:04:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/101 "2008-10-14T19:04:34Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > What lie? You claimed (proudly!) that Palin was the best you guys could present as a classy and sophisticated representative, and that somehow liberals are directly to blame. Well, if I proudly claimed it, you should have no trouble finding it. Kindly post where I did so. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/102 "2008-10-14T19:05:10Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Just like \*\*LonesomePolecat \*\*to throw the word “racist” around while continuing to profoundly misunderstand what it means. There’s a laugh. The left today is motivated by a profound hatred of everything white, Western and Christian. You want to hear some real racism, honey? Go hang out with William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/103 "2008-10-14T19:05:51Z")
Frankly, I love the fact that I, in this relatively small city of Lancaster, PA, can go out to eat at an Indian, Vietnamese, Thai, (real non-Olive-Garden) Italian, or authentic French restaurant. Or, if I feel like it, simply go down to Central Market and buy an Amish shoofly pie. I like that I can go listen to a barbershop quartet, or the symphony, or an African drumming group, or a jazz ensemble, or to the special appearance of an authentic Indonesian gamelan. I love to see white faces, black faces, Mexican faces, Korean faces. I like to hear European accents, American accents, Pennsylvania Dutch accents, Puerto Rican accents, Russian accents, Vietnamese accents. It’s wonderful! I can’t imagine how anyone would consider such things wrong-headed or dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/104 "2008-10-14T19:08:49Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Aw, fuck that shit, you whiny little pussy. Anti-white racism is the most ubiquitous form of racism today, and multiculturalism is one of its forms. The men who founded this country never intended it to be a beautiful multicultural rainbow, and whites in America never consented to being reduced to a minority in the country their own ancestors founded. Whites have absolutely nothing to gain from giving up their status as the dominant majority, and this “collage of immigration and world culture” is becoming dangerously more unstable with every passing decade. At least you’re honest about being a xenophobic racist asshole. Good for you. I applaud your attempt to find a corner where you and the other racist xenophobes can be white all by yourselves. I hear there are various paramilitary white supremacist groups in Montana or Idaho who would welcome you. And personally, I couldn’t give a fig what the founding fathers foresaw socially. If I wanted to live like it was 1776, I’d be a live-in guide for colonial Williamsburg. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/105 "2008-10-14T19:09:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Frankly, I love the fact that I, in this relatively small city of Lancaster, PA, can go out to eat at an Indian, Vietnamese, Thai, (real non-Olive-Garden) Italian, or authentic French restaurant. Or, if I feel like it, simply go down to Central Market and buy an Amish shoofly pie. I like that I can go listen to a barbershop quartet, or the symphony, or an African drumming group, or a jazz ensemble, or to the special appearance of an authentic Indonesian gamelan. I love to see white faces, black faces, Mexican faces, Korean faces. I like to hear European accents, American accents, Pennsylvania Dutch accents, Puerto Rican accents, Russian accents, Vietnamese accents. It’s wonderful! I can’t imagine how anyone would consider such things wrong-headed or dangerous. Why, yes, I certainly must admit that’s excellent compensation for watching my own culture and civilization being displaced by alien races and cultures from around the globe and slowly dying out. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/106 "2008-10-14T19:09:19Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Frankly, I love the fact that I, in this relatively small city of Lancaster, PA, can go out to eat at an Indian, Vietnamese, Thai, (real non-Olive-Garden) Italian, or authentic French restaurant. Or, if I feel like it, simply go down to Central Market and buy an Amish shoofly pie. I like that I can go listen to a barbershop quartet, or the symphony, or an African drumming group, or a jazz ensemble, or to the special appearance of an authentic Indonesian gamelan. I love to see white faces, black faces, Mexican faces, Korean faces. I like to hear European accents, American accents, Pennsylvania Dutch accents, Puerto Rican accents, Russian accents, Vietnamese accents. It’s wonderful! I can’t imagine how anyone would consider such things wrong-headed or dangerous. You can’t imagine what it’s like to be a racist piece of shit; good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/107 "2008-10-14T19:14:23Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Why, yes, I certainly must admit that’s excellent compensation for watching my own culture and civilization being displaced by alien races and cultures from around the globe and slowly dying out. :rolleyes: Please, please, please tell me you aren’t from Texas. We already get a bad enough rap here on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/108 "2008-10-14T19:14:31Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > At least you’re honest about being a xenophobic racist asshole. Good for you. I applaud your attempt to find a corner where you and the other racist xenophobes can be white all by yourselves. I hear there are various paramilitary white supremacist groups in Montana or Idaho who would welcome you. > > And personally, I couldn’t give a fig what the founding fathers foresaw socially. If I wanted to live like it was 1776, I’d be a live-in guide for colonial Williamsburg. Better a “xenophobic racist asshole” than a simpering little eunuch who thinks it’s a noble thing to embrace the decline of his own people. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/109 "2008-10-14T19:15:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This crap about how a less decent society was necessary to do away with racism is utter bullshit. There’s. no. fucking. correlation. For the first time in a long time, you’re absolutely right. Because the only “evidence” we have that society is less decent nowdays is your deluded ramblings, which bear no resemblance to reality. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And frankly, it’s been my observation… And there it is again. The **Starving Artist** historical worldview in a nutshell. “If i didn’t see it, then it didn’t happen.” The _ne plus ultra_ of narrow-minded ignorance and parochialism. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, first of all, remember that I’m talking about people hewing to liberal philosophy, not necessarily the Democrat party. When the cultural revolution began in the late sixties, liberal spokesmen like Timothy Leary, virtually every psychedelic or rock musician in existence, Hollywood, and virtually every leftie I knew at that time, latched onto drugs as if they were manna from heaven. That mindset was also part of the fun of the time…you know, sticking it to the man, not letting society tell you what you can put in your own body, etc., etc. > > Leftie drug use became so prevalent that movements were born (vestiges of which remain today) to legalize them, and eventually everyone just came to view and accept them as part of day-to-day life in this country. Then that pro-drug mentality (which hopefully you will admit certainly hasn’t emanated from the right) led to more harmful and destructive drugs like cocaine and meth, which has in turn led to the pain, misery, suffering and death that I described in my post which Rubystreak posted above. Actually, if the above-quoted section is what passes for historical understanding, analysis, and chains of causation in your feeble mind, i think you’re probably better off simply sticking to personal anecdotes. You’re just embarrassing yourself now. You really are just a hair’s breadth shy of the loony moon landing and 9/11 conspiracy theorists. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/110 "2008-10-14T19:17:11Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Why, yes, I certainly must admit that’s excellent compensation for watching my own culture and civilization being displaced by alien races and cultures from around the globe and slowly dying out. :rolleyes: Seriously. You Native American folks are getting _shafted._ ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/111 "2008-10-14T19:19:20Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Why, yes, I certainly must admit that’s excellent compensation for watching my own culture and civilization being displaced by alien races and cultures from around the globe and slowly dying out. :rolleyes: What culture would that be, you fucking mouth-breather? Maybe if you’d ever traveled to other countries you’d have noticed that American culture is the dominant culture _in the world_. Watch television or movies or go into a bookstore (or a Starbucks) fucking _anywhere_ and tell me again how your poor precious culture’s dying out. Oh, shit, but there are some brown skins opening up an “ethnic” restaurant on the corner! And there are fags on TV now! Fuck if the Christian white man isn’t being attacked from all sides! You utter moron. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/112 "2008-10-14T19:21:10Z")
**LonesomePolecat** , “lack of white privilege” does not equal “racism”. And don’t tell me who the fuck “my people” are, you miserable excuse for a human. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/113 "2008-10-14T19:24:48Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Aw, fuck that shit, you whiny little pussy. Anti-white racism is the most ubiquitous form of racism today, and multiculturalism is one of its forms. The men who founded this country never intended it to be a beautiful multicultural rainbow, and whites in America never consented to being reduced to a minority in the country their own ancestors founded. Whites have absolutely nothing to gain from giving up their status as the dominant majority, and this “collage of immigration and world culture” is becoming dangerously more unstable with every passing decade. Last time I checked, there was no right to be a “dominant majority” in any country. God, you’re a racist tool. Get the fuck over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/114 "2008-10-14T19:27:46Z")
I suspect “whiny little pussy” certainly matches someone in this thread. But then I don’t know how tall **LP** is. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/115 "2008-10-14T19:31:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, if I proudly claimed it, you should have no trouble finding it. Kindly post where I did so. What, nothing to say about your little video presentation? You actually watched it this time, didn’t you? 😃 You expressed your pride [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10307552&postcount=12) and your justification for her lack of classiness [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10308254&postcount=15) Although… at first I did think you were expressing pride in Palin; but on second reading, I begin to have doubts. The comparison to Jackie is so forced, that it takes on a patronizing quality, like the sort of compliment one might offer in support of a developmentally disabled child. “Little Sarah is so talented at dressing herself! She’s as graceful as an angel, only with several extra malfunctioning chromosomes.” I’m genuinely sorry if I misread your veiled disappointment as sincere enthusiasm. Lord knows, your political party isn’t the only one that ever fucks up. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/116 "2008-10-14T19:37:22Z")
Well, we have the answer to the thread title. **Starving Artist** is only almost insane. **LonesomePolecat** , on the other hand, is around the fucking bend. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/117 "2008-10-14T19:37:26Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Better a “xenophobic racist asshole” than a simpering little eunuch who thinks it’s a noble thing to embrace the decline of his own people. There are at least 200 fellow fegelahs who would dispute the “eunuch” designation. And I don’t HAVE a “my own people”, other than humanity. I’m half Italian, the other half being Welsh, German, Iroquois and Irish. “My people” are mutts. Just like American culture. And this whole thing about “your” culture disappearing. Duh. Cultures change. They’re human constructs, not some kind of natural constant. Culture changes every day. The American culture of the 1950s (back before all of those “impure” influences were coming in) was very different from the American culture of the 1850s, which was vastly different from the American culture of the 1750s, which was quite different from the American culture of the 1650s. A Jamestown cavalier in Federal Philadelphia would feel like he was some kind of foreigner. And Boston abolitionist would be a complete stranger if he showed up in the Boston of 1953. Trying to keep culture from changing is like trying to hold back the tide. At least Canute knew it was futile and only did it to prove that to his courtiers. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/118 "2008-10-14T19:45:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **Mr. Moto** , in the Beeyotches thread, said: > > \*"Well, this view is more widely shared than you might think. > > **My older black friends often are strangely nostalgic for that era** [bolding mine]- and when I asked one of them about that, he mentioned quite sensibly that civil rights marchers in suits and Sunday dresses wanted to share more equally in the decent society that existed then, not share equally in a less decent society that followed."\* > > This crap about how a less decent society was necessary to do away with racism is utter bullshit. There’s. no. fucking. correlation. OH! I didn’t realize that you had empirical evidence. **Mr. Moto** says that he has some black friends who agreed! Well, fucking QED. I take back what I said before - you are dumb as a post. You are The Cruiser! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/119 "2008-10-14T19:47:26Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > What, nothing to say about your little video presentation? You actually watched it this time, didn’t you? 😃 > > You expressed your pride [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10307552&postcount=12). And yet nowhere did I even hint that the Republican party was **trying** to find a classy, stylish VP candidate, did I? No, I merely expressed happiness that we have an attractive, Jackie-esque personality on our side for a change, and then lamented the fact that, given today’s liberal-driven society, women of Jackie’s style, class and sophistication are in such very short supply these days. > [@Terrifel](#): > > Lord knows, your political party isn’t the only one that ever fucks up. On this we can agree. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678/120 "2008-10-14T19:52:37Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > OH! I didn’t realize that you had empirical evidence. **Mr. Moto** says that he has some black friends who agreed! > > Well, fucking QED. > > I take back what I said before - you are dumb as a post. You are The Cruiser! And again **Hector the Librarian** shows his ass. You are the one that brought up **Mr. Moto’s** post, albeit in a fucked up way. I then post his actual comments for clarity and accuracy and it’s proof that _ **I’m** _ dumb? This is like shooting fish in a barrel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-totally-insane-or-just-almost/467678.md?page=7)