# Starving Artist - we remember you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204 "2014-12-03T04:53:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/181 "2014-12-04T20:37:16Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Oh, man. I’d love to hear about that sometime. Not much to talk about. You can post there as an “anti” although you’re limited to a forum called “General Rants”. Also, all your posts are on time delay - they’re screened by a moderator before they get posted, which can be a bit annoying. (This is a while ago, so things might have changed since then.) So I started one thread taking on all comers and was having a decent time of it by my rights when I got banned by moderators who didn’t like my tone. (It’s true that I did not have a particularly reverent attitude towards White Nationalism, but my posts were substantive, on the whole.) ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/182 "2014-12-04T20:40:40Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Leaving aside the issue of whether SA is right or wrong in this specific instance, your logic is flawed here. > > You might have a point if this MB represented the entire universe - or even was a representative sample of it. But it doesn’t and is not, so you’re don’t. > > [During my brief sojourn on the Stormfront message board (I was banned my first afternoon :)) everyone there was united in thinking I was wrong. Wasn’t fazed.] Well, while we’re certainly self-selected to some extent, I don’t really think the Stormfront comparison is fair; we’re far closer to a fair sampling than a narrow group of narrow-minded racists, and I do think there is enough of a diversity of opinion here to get reasonable feedback with a good likelihood. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/183 "2014-12-04T20:44:43Z")
The Stormfront comparison was illustrative of the phenomenon - obviously this is nothing like that place. But do you not agree that there are quite a lot of people out there who would have a very different take on SA and his views than the consensus of this MB? How about on Free Republic? The Rush Limbaugh Fan Club? If you agree, then you’re acknowleging that the perception of SA is at least to some extent the result of the skew of the audience here. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/184 "2014-12-04T20:48:43Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > …the perception of SA is at least to some extent the result of the skew of the audience here. This is true, but trivial. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/185 "2014-12-04T21:09:03Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > SA is not a troll. > > Unlike one or two other conservative posters on the SDMB I could name, it seems clear to me that he’s not merely trying to post outrageous stuff to stir up the liberals, like a snot-nosed ten-year old heaving rocks at a hornet’s nest, but rather his lunatic statements are really coming from a place of sincere belief. Belief in the midst of blind partisanship, delusions about the past, and sundry personality problems, of course. But belief nonetheless. Sincerely believing something that is posted in deliberate attempt to elicit a negative response is still trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/186 "2014-12-04T21:09:05Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > But do you not agree that there are quite a lot of people out there who would have a very different take on SA and his views than the consensus of this MB? How about on Free Republic? The Rush Limbaugh Fan Club? I’m not really concerned with how his politics are viewed here, but the reactions he as a person elicits. There’s certainly a skew to the politics of this board, but still, there are people here that don’t fall in with the mainstream that aren’t universally loathed. And neither does being liberal guarantee you the unanimous adoration of the board (case in point: too many **Der Trihs** pittings to count). Basically, there’s a sizable subset of ultimately decent people around here, whose opinion on who else is decent does carry some weight, regardless of political leaning. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/187 "2014-12-04T21:18:47Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > And I thought no one noticed. > > I feel so wonderfully appreciated right now. 'Cause there’s no fucking “like” button. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/188 "2014-12-04T21:58:23Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I’m not really concerned with how his politics are viewed here, but the reactions he as a person elicits. There’s certainly a skew to the politics of this board, but still, there are people here that don’t fall in with the mainstream that aren’t universally loathed. And neither does being liberal guarantee you the unanimous adoration of the board (case in point: too many **Der Trihs** pittings to count). Basically, there’s a sizable subset of ultimately decent people around here, whose opinion on who else is decent does carry some weight, regardless of political leaning. Politics isn’t the only thing that counts, but it counts. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/189 "2014-12-04T21:58:28Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I can vouch for this part, at least. **SA** is a basically nice person. I’ve disagreed with him vociferously in the past and not been attacked because I did not frame my disagreement in the form of a personal attack. The problem is that when he goes into ‘‘aggressive, belligerent asshole’’ mode he reveals some rather distressing underlying assumptions and ideologies that many (including me) find morally problematic. I only remember getting into one disagreement with him that turned personal. He may say that he only gives as good as he gets, but his definition of an insult and mine differ considerably. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/190 "2014-12-04T22:43:48Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I only remember getting into one disagreement with him that turned personal. He may say that he only gives as good as he gets, but his definition of an insult and mine differ considerably. Well, the thing is, at least from my perspective, is that his insults can reveal a pretty nasty underlying worldview. It’s not the insult itself that’s so offensive but the prejudice it sprang from (see: **faithfool** is too ugly to rape.) That’s from observation, not really experience. We came to insults once. I made a general statement with the insult ‘‘asshole’’ which he (reasonably) interpreted to be me calling him an asshole, and he called me a dumb bitch in retaliation. Seems fair. My favorite sort of poster is the one who ignores personal insults and sticks to the substance of the argument regardless of the hostility of the person involved. Not only does it make the attacker look like a tool, it elevates the tone of the conversation considerably. Not nearly as entertaining, though. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/191 "2014-12-04T22:53:48Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Well, the thing is, at least from my perspective, is that his insults can reveal a pretty nasty underlying worldview. It’s not the insult itself that’s so offensive but the prejudice it sprang from (see: **faithfool** is too ugly to rape). Allow me to reiterate a post I just made in the “Enough…” thread: > [@](#): > > Oh, good grief! If you’re whinging about the insult I hurled \*\*faithfool’s \*\*way, it was intended merely to imply she was a flatline when it came to sex appeal and rape never entered the picture. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/192 "2014-12-04T23:28:05Z")
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/193 "2014-12-04T23:46:34Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. To be fair, we didn’t give Starving Artist a chance to deliver his “faithfool is so ugly, when she was a kid her parents hung a porkchop around her neck so the dog would play with her” thesis. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/194 "2014-12-04T23:59:23Z")
Yeah, I didn’t say she was so ugly she had to sneak up on a glass of water to take a drink either. It would have been too, like, rapish. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/195 "2014-12-05T00:02:54Z")
Among your many problems, SA, is that you think you’re funny when you’re not, and you’re incapable of playing to an audience because you enjoy holding them in contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/196 "2014-12-05T00:05:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Allow me to reiterate a post I just made in the “Enough…” thread: > > > [@](#): > > > > Oh, good grief! If you’re whinging about the insult I hurled faithfool’s way, it was intended merely to imply she was a flatline when it came to sex appeal and rape never entered the picture. Rape was the immediate topic of your insult. It wasn’t “in” the picture, it was the subject of the picture. **Faithfool** said she has not had sex with men who took an opportunity to rape her, and you opined that this must be because she is ugly. (Or unpleasant in some way detectable on message boards anyway , I don’t exactly recall. But the discussion has since move don to the idea of insults based on ugliness. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/197 "2014-12-05T00:20:29Z")
No, she stated merely that the men in her life had no trouble controlling themselves. And that was what I answered. Frankly I think it’s misandrist to assume that all men are would-be rapists in the presence of attractive women, which is the assumption being drawn by your accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/198 "2014-12-05T00:24:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, she stated merely that the men in her life had no trouble controlling themselves. Which means (especially in the context of the conversation she was participating in) _exactly the same thing_ as “the men in her life have not taken opportunities to rape me.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/199 "2014-12-05T00:33:07Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I don’t know…if we do it the way I suggested upthread, it might be amusing to see some egos deflated as poll subjects are brought to the realization that most of the people here don’t give a wet fart about them one way or the other. This. Absolutely this. In this thread alone there are several people with oddly-inflated beliefs of how much people dislike them. For instance, I’d never remember that **mhendo** was an asshole if he didn’t tell us he is in every damned thread he’s in these days. > [@elucidator](#): > > The Bulwer-Lytton Prize is within your grasp! English majors will gouge out their eyes and take up panhandling in sign language. What good did it do **Boyo Jim**? Is he rich or famous? Are beautiful English majors clamoring for a taste of his seed? Because if they are I can write a run-on sentence that takes pages to go nowhere with the best of them, ie: many of my posts here. > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > As an archetype, **SA** is actually a pretty good representation of a certain kind of conservative thinking. The cranky and pervy uncle type? Because there are plenty of those in my wife’s family. We take turns [del]weaseling out of[/del] (sorry!) avoiding family functions. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/200 "2014-12-05T00:34:19Z")
You can see why i feel so much shame when **Starving Artist** takes me to task for being rude and insulting. He sets such a good example of how to behave towards people in a temperate and respectful manner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204.md?page=11)