# Starving Artist - we remember you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204 "2014-12-03T04:53:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/481 "2014-12-09T15:16:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It is amusing though how you and your ilk try to seize upon any minor error such as this in an effort to show I’m wrong about everything, when the tactic itself shows you to be so bereft of significant argument regarding the more important issues that you have to latch onto trivialities like this. I can’t speak for **CannyDan** , but I pointed out your mistake because that tactic seems to be so near and dear to your own heart. A case in point: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You’ve posted quotes of mine that don’t come anywhere near saying what you’ve been claiming they say. There’s not a single mention of holding off on “giving them their rights” or “giving them their rights more slowly” (a stupid phrase to begin with as their rights had already been recognized and granted through federal legislation. What I was talking about – and what you’ve been mischaracterizing – was how best to implement integration in light of their having had their rights confirmed. What I was saying in effect was that forced integration caused more problems that it solved (many blacks of time were unhappy about it as well) and that by allowing the races to come together in a more natural way, the mutual dislike and distrust that exists today – and the self-imposed mutual segregation that goes with it – wouldn’t have happened and two races would have eventually come together and joined in a way that would have been much better for everyone. If I may paraphrase how this sounds… “I never said they should be given their rights more slowly, just that they should exercise them more slowly. That you would stoop so low and post such an outrageous lie about my stated position shows I must be…” No, it doesn’t. It seems to be just a way of distracting from the real substance of an argument. When someone challenges you on something, you don’t try to get to the heart of the issue, you don’t try to see how your original wording could have been misinterpreted, you just latch on to any discrepancy as if it proved your correctness. Ah, but when someone points out one of your own mistakes, you had five other things to do and it was so trivial it didn’t matter anyway. You don’t get to have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/482 "2014-12-09T15:18:51Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Also, c’mon, admit it: the almost complete lack of any kind of support does get to you just the tiniest bit, doesn’t it? Even the most insensitive among us could practically see the spittle flying as you typed the quoted text. > > Be brave, little one. I’m sure if you just explain yourself a few more times, people will finally get it. Herein lies the value of the word mincers and defenders, as few as they may be (although my Sith model of there always being just one turns out to be wrong\*). Although I suppose that SA is so deluded and demented that he probably doesn’t need any cover in order to persist unabated. Direct quotes, inherent contradictions, near universal revulsion do not seem to phase him in the least - he still will claim “winning.” - In searching for past posts, I found threads where both Zoe and olivesmarchforth were speaking up in his defense. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/483 "2014-12-09T19:25:45Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > He’s quoting himself saying “line up a hundred 10-year-old boys” and ask them about anal rape… > > in order to prove that I’m lying about him suggesting that you line up 100 ten year old boys to ask them about anal rape? > > Huh? This guy is really demented or just phoning in his trolling. He quoted himself literally saying exactly what I’ve referred to him saying in order to prove I’m lying? You just can’t stop with the dishonest dissembling, can you? I’ve NEVER DENIED SUGGESTING IT!! What I’ve said is that contrary to your dishonest insinuations I didn’t say it in a lewd way or with lascivious intent. And that’s exactly what my quoting of the actual challenge proves! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/484 "2014-12-09T19:34:31Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Although I suppose that SA is so [del]deluded[/del] correct and [del]demented[/del] unfazed by hysterical dipshittery that he probably doesn’t need any cover in order to persist unabated. Absolutely correct. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/485 "2014-12-09T19:43:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Absolutely correct. Don’t ever alter text and then falsely attribute it to me, you deceitful demented piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/486 "2014-12-09T19:46:47Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I can’t speak for **CannyDan** , but I pointed out your mistake because that tactic seems to be so near and dear to your own heart. > > A case in point: > > If I may paraphrase how this sounds… > > “I never said they should be given their rights more slowly, just that they should exercise them more slowly. That you would stoop so low and post such an outrageous lie about my stated position shows I must be…” The problem is that your paraphrase is inaccurate in its assumptions. I’ve NEVER SAID THAT BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEIR RIGHTS MORE SLOWLY. (And I never said they got the bends from it either. **Hector** lied and said I did, and then lied again and said he didn’t. Why don’t you care about **Hector’s** lies? They, ahem, lie at the base of all our posts about what he says.) Black people’s rights were established through legislation to ensure they couldn’t be discriminated against and denied housing, employment, a place in the bus or a seat at the diner. Forced busing on the other hand is not a right, and yet again I’m finding myself having to make this distinction despite the fact that I’ve explained it already. Now you people may choose to regard such practices as forced busing and affirmative action to be giving them their rights, but in the cold light of day it just ain’t so. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/487 "2014-12-09T19:47:49Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Don’t ever alter text and then falsely attribute it to me, you deceitful demented piece of shit. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/488 "2014-12-09T19:54:39Z")
Uh-oh! Suicide by mod in progress! Anyone willing to talk Starving off the ledge? I’d do it, but I don’t wanna. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/489 "2014-12-09T19:56:03Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Well said. Not only is it disgusting to think about putting this question to ten year old boys, but he proposed this idea in the context of the unfolding Sandusky child rape story… No, I proposed it in the context of challenging the notion that a naked hug in the shower was as bad as anal rape. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > On top of all of that, he chose some really odd and … _unfortunate_ language to boot. Where someone might propose that we “survey 100 boys” or even just “ask 100 boys”, he chooses to “line up 100 boys…”. It doesn’t fundamentally alter how gross and tone deaf the thought experiment was, it just makes it even weirder. One marvels that he didn’t opt for “probing” them on the subject. There is 100% nothing wrong with talking about lining up 100 boys. They could be lined up to attend a sporting event, a ride at Disneyland, or to a attend a concert. So there’s nothing inherently wrong with the phrasing. Not only that, but I didn’t talk about lining them up myself, I suggested to a woman that she do it as part of a thought experiment to illustrate to her the ludicrousness of what she’d just said. Plus we have the fact that whole thing was hypothetical and existed wholly in the realm of imagination in the first place and there was zero chance that anyone was ever going to be asking any kids any of the things I suggested. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I think you’re right though. I think he still does not understand how normal people hear something like that. What the fuck makes you think you’re a normal person? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/490 "2014-12-09T19:58:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Uh-oh! Suicide by mod in progress! Nope, don’t think so. I made it obvious that the altered quote was not his original comment. I believe the ban on altering quotes is in regard to restating a poster’s words in order to make it look like he genuinely made the altered remark. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/491 "2014-12-09T20:00:27Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > …you deceitful demented piece of shit. Oh, almost forgot. No u. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/492 "2014-12-09T20:02:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, don’t think so. I made it obvious that the altered quote was not his original comment. I believe the ban on altering quotes is in regard to restating a poster’s words in order to make it look like he genuinely made the altered remark. It’s the “fuck you”. That’s not allowed by rule. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/493 "2014-12-09T20:11:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s the “fuck you”. That’s not allowed by rule. Altering text in quote boxes is also not acceptable by rule. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/494 "2014-12-09T20:12:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s the “fuck you”. That’s not allowed by rule. I daresay altering a quote and saying “fuck you” in the space of a single page is skirting. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/495 "2014-12-09T20:14:16Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Well, I think what he’s denying isn’t that he proposed the thought experiment, but rather, that he’s “salaciously getting off” on the idea. He said that’s what you’re insinuating. Correct. > [@Frylock](#): > > With these thought experiments of his, the problem is that most people, on visualizing something like that, would have an automatic and appropriate “ick” reaction and wouldn’t wish to put others through the experience of having formed such mental imagery, so they would naturally refrain from using it in a thought experiment articulated out loud in public. The problem here is that in the Paterno thread my opponents were suffering to such ick factor when it came to their own suppositions about what Sandusky said. They were perfectly happy to talk about all sorts of gross stuff when making their own accusations or imagining things to get outraged about. > [@Frylock](#): > > **SA** seems to either not have that automatic ick reaction… I definitely think you’re on to something here. I’m constantly amazed at the way some of you people take things. It simply never occurred to me that anyone would think the cardboard tubes were stand-in child anuses or that to line kids up in order to ask them questions would carry lascivious implications. To my mind the people who react in such a way are being deliberately dishonest and taking their stance just to stir up shit and try to create bias against me. And of course the fact that **Hector** has heretofore been the primary if not only poster who found lasciviousness in the lining up the kids thing, that was one more factor tipping things in my mind toward intentional dishonesty and disingenuousness. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/496 "2014-12-09T20:16:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I daresay altering a quote and saying “fuck you” in the space of a single page is skirting. Oops. You’re right. I forgot about the not making sex insults thing. My apologies to the board’s administration. It was a complete and reflexive brain fart and not intentional at all. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/497 "2014-12-09T20:17:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The problem is that your paraphrase is inaccurate in its assumptions. I’ve NEVER SAID THAT BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEIR RIGHTS MORE SLOWLY. My paraphrase (of your words) began with: “I never said they should be given their rights more slowly,…” It’s the ALL CAPS, isn’t it; I’m misrepresenting you and proving my mendacity by not paraphrasing you in ALL CAPS. As to civil rights, where do you stand on George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door to block the entry of two African-American students? Should Kennedy have mobilized the National Guard to guarantee them access, or should we have said they have the right to attend, but we’d prefer they wait and do it in a more natural way? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/498 "2014-12-09T20:20:21Z")
And now I’m going to have to leave. I have a busy couple days going on right now and have to tend to more important things, so **Hector** , you’re free to lie your ass off for now. Just know that the discriminating mind not already in league with you can see right through you. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/499 "2014-12-09T20:26:29Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > My paraphrase (of your words) began with: > > “I never said they should be given their rights more slowly,…” > > It’s the ALL CAPS, isn’t it; I’m misrepresenting you and proving my mendacity by not paraphrasing you in ALL CAPS. > > As to civil rights, where do you stand on George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door to block the entry of two African-American students? Should Kennedy have mobilized the National Guard to guarantee them access, or should we have said they have the right to attend, but we’d prefer they wait and do it in a more natural way? Don’t forget incremental, stepwise and sensible. As in, “what happens to a dream achieved after a sensible, incremental fashion…” Is this a bad time to point out that he also originally included women in his musings about who in the 60’s should have achieved equality in a more sensible and incremental fashion? I wonder how he will retcon that one? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/500 "2014-12-09T20:38:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, as Steve Jobs was wont to say, there’s one more thing: 😉 > > As conservatives, we’re big on individual responsibility and inclined to let each other fight their own battles. Nowhere on this board will anyone find conservatives ganging up on someone like our liberal brethren are so fond of doing around here, nor are we inclined to come riding to each other’s defense. Occasionally a couple of us will post similar ideas in the same thread, but none of us have ever made a habit of mounting a spirited argument in defense of other conservative posters. This point has been raised more than once around here and it’s indicative of **mhendo’s** own mendacity that he keeps trying to frame it as being unique to me. You need to get out more. There are conservative leaning boards all over the internet where mindless conservatives gang up on liberals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204.md?page=26)