# Starving Artist - we remember you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204 "2014-12-03T04:53:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/101 "2014-12-04T00:59:10Z")
Did **SA** give a clear opinion about whether Sandusky himself is indeed a child sex abuser? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/102 "2014-12-04T01:05:17Z")
**Member warning** If anyone bumps that\*\* Paterno thread \*\*, I’m seriously going to send a gopher to your garden this spring. Maybe two. **/Member warning** ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/103 "2014-12-04T01:27:54Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Did **SA** give a clear opinion about whether Sandusky himself is indeed a child sex abuser? Given that you fancy yourself a reliable predictor of a person’s behavior based on who they choose to defend, [up to and including the assumption that they’re likely to be rapists](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17921856&postcount=37), I’m surprised you have to ask. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/104 "2014-12-04T01:30:33Z")
**Starving Artist** is gross. I’m barely even on the SDMB lately but I felt it was important to let my opinion be known on this. Gross. He is just gross. I highly recommend y’all put him on ignore and keep him there. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/105 "2014-12-04T01:36:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A dishonest distortion that you’ve tried and failed to gain traction with a number of times before. I realize how much you must be smarting after the numerous times I’ve handed you your ass over the last ten years or so, but you do yourself no favors by relying on such cowardly and dishonest tactics. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10164048&postcount=91](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10164048&postcount=91) > [@](#): > > However, I doubt very seriously if the blacks of that era and the women of that era would have chosen to have things end up the way they are now.\*\* I believe they would have preferred, as would I, to have things done in a more sensible, step-by-step manner that would have left the things that were good about that era intact.\*\* [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15827127&postcount=782](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15827127&postcount=782) > [@](#): > > Point of fact 3: And I’ve never said that blacks “got the bends” from too rapid civil rights. The notion is laughable. \*\*What I’ve said is that by forcing the two disparate and widely differing cultures into a premature and unnatural co-mingling has created a lot of conflict that has actually set back the arrival of time when the color of a person’s skin is of no more importance than the color of their eyes or hair. \*\* > > And I’ve also said the black community has been horribly harmed by changes liberalism has wrought which have resulted in their producing large numbers of children who have no fathers on the scene, born to immature mothers improperly raised themselves and utterly lacking the education and income producing and value system qualities necessary to raise a child to fruitful adulthood, the result being millions of black people over the last fifty years whose lives have been destroyed through drugs or crime and/or lost due to murder or drugs or crime. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251373&postcount=823](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251373&postcount=823) > [@](#): > > There is a reason why drugs and the gangsta culture and their associated crimes exist now where they didn’t in the black communities of the fifties and forties and back to the turn of the century. Life was segregated but otherwise pretty much normal. Black kids dressed nicely, went to schools where they actually learned things, and went on to live what most of us would consider normal lives. Segregation and racism were and are terrible things, but the people of the sixties didn’t invent them. They were centuries old even at that time. It was the people of the fifties and sixties, a great many of them conservative, who began to change that. **And to the degree conservatives had had a voice in creating positive change in racism, it would have been accomplished more slowly no doubt, but without the pain and misery and loss of life that many members of the black community have had to endure,** and without the lives of privation and poverty that so many of them are headed for now because of gangsta culture and the prevalence of the attitude that studying and trying to get ahead are “acting white” and are therefore to be scorned. Look at the grief Bill Cosby comes in for from the left for saying the same things I am, only he doesn’t get called a racist for it. He only gets called old and unsympathetic. But racist or old and divorced from the street, it all boils down to the same thing: blindly defending negative and destructive behavior just because it’s coming from a politically protected segment of society. Bolding mine in each case. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/106 "2014-12-04T01:39:28Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > **Starving Artist** is gross. I’m barely even on the SDMB lately but I felt it was important to let my opinion be known on this. Ah, another old enemy makes an appearance. And your opinion should be of significance…why? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/107 "2014-12-04T01:42:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Meh. **Frank’s** just butthurt because I won the Paterno thread… [QUOTE=Starving Artist] What the hell do you think I have to regret? By sticking to the facts I almost single-handedly debunked all the ridiculous claims being made about Joe Paterno and Woody Allen and left the members of their respective lynch mobs sputtering in defeat. [/QUOTE] Sputtering in _disbelief_, maybe. Dude, if large numbers of people choose to disengage with you entirely, it’s not a sign of victory. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/108 "2014-12-04T01:43:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Given that you fancy yourself a reliable predictor of a person’s behavior based on who they choose to defend, [up to and including the assumption that they’re likely to be rapists](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17921856&postcount=37), I’m surprised you have to ask. 1. Not sure you’re using the word “assumption” correctly there. 2. Thanks for providing the link so that it will be clear to everyone that I said nothing that implies I can predict people’s behavior based on who they choose to defend. (“How they choose to defend a person from what charges in what context” would be closer.) 3. Do you think Sandusky engaged in acts with children that should rightly have put him in jail? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/109 "2014-12-04T01:54:02Z")
If I remember **Starving** ’s position correctly, he believes that Sandusky did commit the acts for which he was convicted, but did nothing wrong in the instance that was seen and reported to Paterno. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/110 "2014-12-04T01:54:14Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Bolding mine in each case. I note that nowhere do I say anything remotely as stupid as that blacks got the bends because whites gave them their rights too quickly. The points I made were good and valid and I’m glad you brought them up. I understand that inconvenient truths are nettlesome to you. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/111 "2014-12-04T01:59:58Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If I remember **Starving** ’s position correctly, he believes that Sandusky did commit the acts for which he was convicted, but did nothing wrong in the instance that was seen and reported to Paterno. Incorrect. Once enough information had come out to show a history of child abuse on Sandusky’s part I came to believe that he was misbehaving sexually with the boy but not raping him. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/112 "2014-12-04T02:03:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I note that nowhere do I say anything remotely as stupid as that blacks got the bends because whites gave them their rights too quickly. > > The points I made were good and valid and I’m glad you brought them up. I understand that inconvenient truths are nettlesome to you. No shit, genius. The bends was my characterization of your stupidity. Your claim has always been that black people would have been better off getting civil rights more slowly and incrementally. Do you still deny this? There is lots more evidence to prove you did. I did forget that you blame liberals for the fact that this didn’t happen in the slow and incremental way you think it should have. You do know what the bends are, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/113 "2014-12-04T02:05:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Incorrect. Once enough information had come out to show a history of child abuse on Sandusky’s part I came to believe that he was misbehaving sexually with the boy but not raping him. What evidence is there that he has a history of child abuse? I wasn’t aware of any evidence other than the children’s having come forward and told the stories about it. Was there other evidence I wasn’t aware of? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/114 "2014-12-04T02:08:36Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Sputtering in _disbelief_, maybe. Dude, if large numbers of people choose to disengage with you entirely, it’s not a sign of victory. It’s a sign of victory when virtually every hysterical claim made about Joe Paterno is proven to be false and those who originally claimed otherwise are left holding an empty sack. Which is exactly what happened. If they chose to disengage with me (although some like **Bryan Ekers** held out till the very end simply for trolling purposes) it was because their allegations were proven to have no merit. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/115 "2014-12-04T02:08:52Z")
I think **SA** gets off on talking about pedophiles and pedophilia and you all are just feeding into it. Again, gross. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/116 "2014-12-04T02:14:42Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I think **SA** gets off on talking about pedophiles and pedophilia **and you all are just feeding** into it. Again, gross. (emph mine) I was thinking along those lines when I read your post. Except I was going post something like **DNFTT**. But I think we’re in the same ballpark. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/117 "2014-12-04T02:14:46Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > What evidence is there that he has a history of child abuse? > > I wasn’t aware of any evidence other than the children’s having come forward and told the stories about it. Was there other evidence I wasn’t aware of? Yes. There were times, dates and places mentioned, parent complaints, and police involvement. And the complaints were brought up at the time and not in a vague manner thirty, forty and fifty years after the fact. None of which is the case with Cosby’s accusers, although I’ll grant that one wouldn’t ordinarily expect parental involvement in the case of Cosby. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/118 "2014-12-04T02:23:51Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I think **SA** gets off on talking about pedophiles and pedophilia and you all are just feeding into it. Again, gross. Hahahaha…no, you insipid moron. They keep bringing it up, and in dishonest ways, so I’m compelled to set the record straight. I rarely bring up the Paterno thread, and on the occasions when I have it’s merely been in reference to the hysterical mob mentality at work there. The same sort we’ve seen with Woody Allen and now with Bill Cosby, as a matter of fact, where people don’t want to hear facts or the truth and react to both by making accusations of rape, pedophilia, etc. on the part of whoever is trying to bring them into the discussion – you know, like you and **Frylock** have done here. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/119 "2014-12-04T02:26:02Z")
Okay, kids, this has been fun and all but like I said, I just don’t have the time to play here that I used to have, so you’re going to have to excuse me for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/120 "2014-12-04T02:28:45Z")
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