# Starving Artist - we remember you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204 "2014-12-03T04:53:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 433
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204/433 "2014-12-08T21:24:23Z")
“Lies and distortions” are all you’ve got, **SA** , when it comes to your apologia for men showering with boys. Here’s a post from another thread wherein you spell out your insane world view: (sorry everybody, it’s long but illustrative) > [@If after 50 f'n pages, you are still trying to engage SA; YOU ARE DUMB!!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/206): > > I do not agree that for a boy and a man to be in a shower together is automatically a crime. As a boy I’d been in many public swimming pools with adult men. And the fact is that millions of boys of boys are showering or bathing with grown men all over the world to no ill effect. Further, there are tribal areas in the world (and no, I’m not talking about hippie communes, love-ins, “naked bike rides” or gay pride demonstrations) where children are exposed to adult nudity every day of their lives, also to no ill effect. > > Now, just for shits and giggles, let’s consider the following scenario. Let’s say there’s a boy from an underpriviliged background who has gotten to know Jerry Sandusky through his Second Mile work. And let’s say that boy is about to graduate grade school and start junior high where he knows he’ll be in phys ed classes and required to shower. But for whatever reason he’s never been in a shower in his life and has always taken baths. This makes him feel insecure and worried that he’ll embarrass himself 'cause he won’t know the protocol and the other kids will make fun of him. So, having found Sandusky to be someone who cares about him, someone non-judgemental who he feels comfortable with and can talk to freely, he asks Jerry Sandusky to teach him the routine of showering at school. Perhaps his father, not knowing of the allegations against Sandusky, even suggested it himself. Who better to teach your kid locker room comportment than a manly big-time college football coach, huh? > > I can see this scenario played out with young boys and Big Brothrrs or mentors all over the country and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. The only fly in the ointment in this case is that the mentor is Jerry Sandusky, and Paterno, perhaps having been told earlier that in his role as mentor Sandusky had been teaching kids to shower from time to time and thought nothing of it. I would have thought nothing of it myself and I’m a generation younger than Paterno. Then let’s say Paterno gets wind of the 1998 complaint that a mother complained that Sandusky hugged her kid in the shower. He likely feels Sandusky was merely being encouraging or expressing affection of a wholesome and fleeting nature and that the mother was being over-protective and foolish. Then he hears McQueary’s report and isn’t sure whether Sandusky was really misbehaving with kids or whether there was some other, more innocent explanation and McQueary simply misread what he saw. So, being unsure whether anything bad had happened or not, he duly passes the report up to his superiors as the law prescribes, figuring they’ll determine whether there was anything bad going on and what should be done about it, then he returns his attention to the 24/7 job of being a football coach. > > See? Easy-peasy to see how all this could have gone down with no moral failure on Paterno’s part, and no belief that a man showering with a boy was a crime…which is stupid if it is and emblematic of the equally-stupid CYA practice of making certain things always wrong even if they aren’t. It’s idiotic bullshit like that which gets young girls charged with distributing child porn for sending a naked photo of themselves to their friends and punishing six-year-old boys for sexual harrassment because they kissed a girl on the cheek. No telling what kind of fucked-up relationship problems these kids are gonna have twenty years from now. To which I felt compelled to reply as below. My opinion of **SA** has not changed for the better over the intervening time. > [@If after 50 f'n pages, you are still trying to engage SA; YOU ARE DUMB!!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-after-50-fn-pages-you-are-still-trying-to-engage-sa-you-are-dumb/611405/224): > > Oh my. Wow. Just wow. > > Once upon a time I held a certain opinion of SA. My Partisan Meter was in the high range. My Whack Job Meter registered (depending on the exact thread) somewhere in the medium area. And my Skeevy Meter usually twitched around someplace below the half way mark. He was sometimes entertaining, in a “what kind of creepy bug is that, anyway?” kind of way. After the above quoted post (not to discount others in this thread and the other thread, most of which I have been unable to force myself to read) my opinion has changed. > > My Partisan Meter reads basically the same, as I’ve seen only the usual amount of misplaced blame directed at SA’s favorite “Librul” targets. (Again, I may have missed something, but I’m not gonna read any more of his nonsense to find out.) But now my Whack Job Meter has bent past the peg and continues to spin uncontrollably around the dial, actually creating a small, inrushing vortex of SA-Crazy as it does so. I’ve had to put a bucket over it until a technician with protective gear arrives. And my Skeevy Meter has snapped off the peg, spun at near light speed, shattered its cover glass, and finally exploded into a huge cloud of disgust particles which are settling everywhere around my desk. What a mess! > > Really, SA, you’re beyond the fart in the punch bowl, or the giant steaming turdpile in the parlor. You’re like some disgusting vermin with a positive self image, too stupid and too self important to remain underneath the rock that might charitably hide you from observers. You scuttle out and make your loathsome comments in the clear light of day when you would be better off inscribing them in your most secret diary. And then burning the diary. > > You have in the past displayed yourself to be astoundingly and overpoweringly impervious to fact and to reason. You always (well, maybe there was one exception somewhere, sometime, but I’m not really expecting contradiction here) present your own fantasies and apocryphal stories (it’s hard to tell which is what) as factual evidence, and cling rigidly to them in the face of all actual proof to the contrary, even embellishing and expanding upon your fictions as if your ever more fevered imaginings were the same as finding supportive cites. You’ve taken such to a whole new level in this very thread. Hell, you’ve carried it to a whole new universe. > > In point of fact, you’ve repeatedly rejected using actual cites as not being to your liking, condemning them (as I believe I correctly recall) in favor of your own “life experience”. No surprise really, since on the rare occasions you’ve offered a cite it has turned out to make a case opposite to whatever you thought it was proving. > > You might be a troll, but I think instead that you are profoundly disturbed. Your ongoing and logarithmically increasing apologia for pedophilia makes that clear. I’ve known a few people in my life whose world view was as much at odds with objective reality as yours. Luckily for them, they were undergoing intensive psychological therapy. You might consider doing the same. Or you might not. > > I’ll not use the ‘ignore’ feature because I have my own right here, called a scroll wheel. I’m sure I will still take an occasional glance at your demented maunderings, and might even get out my poking stick (the one I use to turn piles of excrement in the yard) once in a while when it suits my fancy. I can sometimes enjoy a chortle at the people on Jerry Springer just like most people, although not as a steady diet. But I will be careful to put on my rubber gloves first. Because now you thoroughly disgust me. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artist-we-remember-you/706204)._