# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/221 "2018-09-27T07:25:31Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I’m going to go out on a really long limb here and suggest that attempted rape is just as fucking scary, threatening and dehumanizing as an actual rape. My opinion is that this is ridiculous, and that your belief is not motivated by logic but by an attempt, even if subliminal, to undercut my assertion that Christine Ford’s experience was less serious than full on rape. I’m going to PM the rest of my response, however, in case it may hit too hard or come to close to home for some of the thread’s readers who may be victims themselves. Feel free to respond in kind, or here if you think you can in a way that would be acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/222 "2018-09-27T07:30:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Four posts over a 13 year span (one from 2005, one from 2009, and two from 2011) is frequent? > > I do not think that word means what you think it means. > > Besides, Bernie Goldberg was a career journalist for CBS and quite liberal in his views. It’s just that he was just intellectually honest enough to call out media bias once he got fed up wit it. > > And the other posts were the result of my investigating comments made here on the Dope. People would assert claims about these people so I would do a Google search to see what they were talking about. > > Further, you seem to have missed that in two of those four posts I was on the side of those here who said the people or claims in them were wrong. > > I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh and haven’t for over 25 years, and only occasionally for a couple years prior. I didn’t watch Bill O’Rlley’s show, I’ve never watched Hannity’s show, and as a matter of fact I don’t watch anything on Fox, and as of now I couldn’t name more than one or two of their on air talent, which come to think of it would be Hannity and Shepard Smith. > > The fact is I don’t watch more than three or four hours of TV in a month, and I haven’t for many years. Most of what I do watch is either on DVD (A&E’s Nero Wolfe, for example, or various movies) or Perry Mason reruns on ME TV. I don’t have cable or satellite television because it would be a waste of money. I also don’t listen to the radio except for music, and I haven’t for many, many, many years. Like, for almost 30, and even then it was Bruce Williams’ show, which focused mainly on advice regarding financial issues. > > So you can infer what you like from my “rhetoric,” but your current inference is factually wrong. Maybe it might be an idea to get back into watching some media (Perry Mason re-runs don’t count) to bring you up into the 21st century’s cultural mores. Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/223 "2018-09-27T07:33:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My opinion is that this is ridiculous, and that your belief is not motivated by logic but by an attempt, even if subliminal, to undercut my assertion that Christine Ford’s experience was less serious than full on rape. > > I’m going to PM the rest of my response, however, in case it may hit too hard or come to close to home for some of the thread’s readers who may be victims themselves. Feel free to respond in kind, or here if you think you can in a way that would be acceptable. Your _opinion_ is fucking irrelevant. There is no logic involved in emotional responses to events. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/224 "2018-09-27T07:34:57Z")
And no, I am not responding to your PM. Bring your shit here mate… ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/225 "2018-09-27T07:37:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > my assertion that Christine Ford’s experience was less serious than full on rape. It was sexual assault and deprivation of liberty. Both are serious offences and both would get you immediate terms of imprisonment. Your insistence that if a sexual assault doesn’t involve penetration that it is not serious is wrong. As for you knowing what women thought about being attacked, STFU. You don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/226 "2018-09-27T07:39:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m going to PM the rest of my response, however, in case it may hit too hard or come to close to home for some of the thread’s readers who may be victims themselves. Except for **Kambuckta**? Mighty big of ya’. As for your concern that your unfettered opinions might upset any sexual assault victims reading the thread, I think the thread title has got you covered. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/227 "2018-09-27T07:42:25Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Your _opinion_ is fucking irrelevant. There is no logic involved in emotional responses to events. Unsurprisingly given the venue, you’re conflating entirely different things. Or is it your position that your opinion is the same thing as their response to these crimes? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/228 "2018-09-27T07:46:02Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Except for **Kambuckta**? > Mighty big of ya’. > > As for your concern that your unfettered opinions might upset any sexual assault victims reading the thread, I think the thread title has got you covered. If **kambuckta** has been a victim of rape I’m unaware of it. And no, **kambucta** , I’m not going to post my response here for the reason I stated. Feel free to post it yourself if you’re so unconcerned about it’s potential repercussions. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/229 "2018-09-27T07:50:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Unsurprisingly given the venue, you’re conflating entirely different things. > > Or is it your position that your opinion is the same thing as their response to these crimes? What? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If **kambuckta** has been a victim of rape I’m unaware of it. > > And no, **kambucta** , I’m not going to post my response here for the reason I stated. Feel free to post it yourself if you’re so unconcerned about it’s potential repercussions. What? I haven’t read your PM and you would be aware of this as well. If you’re so smart and brave, post it here instead, YOURSELF. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/230 "2018-09-27T07:58:26Z")
And here we have the SDMB in full bloom. First I’m damned for being insensitive to women’s feelings and then I’m damned for trying to take them into consideration. Someone once commented on Facebook that you can’t win with women, because: _“They get offended if you compliment 'em and insulted if you don’t.”_ I appreciate the sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/231 "2018-09-27T08:05:28Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > What? Indeed. > [@kambuckta](#): > > I haven’t read your PM and you would be aware of this as well. If you’re so smart and brave, post it here instead, YOURSELF. It has nothing to do with bravery. (Or being smart, for that matter.) I felt and still do that the content may be too upsetting for some of the women in this thread who may be victims of rape themselves. I’ve been reading the thread about the experiences many women here have had, and contrary to popular opinion I’m not an uncaring ogre. It was my hope to make you aware of your own stupidity without unnecessarily upsetting other women in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/232 "2018-09-27T08:08:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Indeed. > > It has nothing to do with bravery. (Or being smart, for that matter.) I felt and still do that the content may be too upsetting for some of the women in this thread who may be victims of rape themselves. I’ve been reading the thread about the experiences many women here have had, and contrary to popular opinion I’m not an uncaring ogre. It was my hope to make you aware of your own stupidity without unnecessarily upsetting other women in the thread. What? ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/233 "2018-09-27T08:24:12Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > What? He knows what women want, what women feel, and what women think and it’s his role as a superior being, he gets to control what women see or do. 😃 (hint for paternalistic nutjobs: We don’t need you to decide ANYTHING. We decide it ourselves. You know, whether being physically attacked is “not serious”, stuff like that.) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/234 "2018-09-27T08:36:28Z")
The point isn’t that men get to tell you how to feel. Christine Ford is clearly free to interpret the seriousness of what she says happened to her in any way she feels she should. Feelings aren’t determinative, however. Why do you suppose we don’t let crime victims dictate which charges are brought and to what degree once the perpetrator has been arrested? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/235 "2018-09-27T08:50:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The point isn’t that men get to tell you how to feel. Christine Ford is clearly free to interpret the seriousness of what she says happened to her in any way she feels she should. > > Feelings aren’t determinative, however. Why do you suppose we don’t let crime victims dictate which charges are brought and to what degree once the perpetrator has been arrested? Because the impact on the victim matters. And here in Australia at least, the victim of a crime (sexual or not) has an opportunity to have his/her voice heard prior to sentencing of an offender. Why is this so hard for you to understand SA? How come, after umpteen threads calling you out, you STILL cling to your prehistoric ideas and outmoded opinions, and you are as tenacious as fucken super-glue? You’ve been here on this board for a long time. Has ANYTHING permeated your thick skull yet? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/236 "2018-09-27T08:58:04Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Because the impact on the victim matters. And here in Australia at least, the victim of a crime (sexual or not) has an opportunity to have his/her voice heard prior to sentencing of an offender. Certainly the impact matters. We have victim impact statements in our courts too. But we don’t allow people guilty of manslaughter to be charged with first degree murder simply because the family of the victim feels it was first degree murder. > [@kambuckta](#): > > You’ve been here on this board for a long time. Has ANYTHING permeated your thick skull yet? Does this ring a bell: > [@](#): > > I felt and still do that the content may be too upsetting for some of the women in this thread who may be victims of rape themselves. I’ve been reading the thread about the experiences many women here have had, and contrary to popular opinion I’m not an uncaring ogre. Or this from the so-called rape culture thread: > [@](#): > > For what it’s worth, you guys might like to know that as a result of these threads I find myself being more discreet in noticing attractive women while I’m out and about so as not to make them feel uncomfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/237 "2018-09-27T09:27:35Z")
Compare & contrast > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The point isn’t that men get to tell you how to feel. Christine Ford is clearly free to interpret the seriousness of what she says happened to her in any way she feels she should? > [@Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3155): > > I don’t think what she alleges to have happened to her is all that serious. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/238 "2018-09-27T09:52:10Z")
Certainly compare and contrast. A dispassionate and objective assessment will reveal both statements to be correct. I’ve stated multiple times now that what Ford says happened to her is not all that serious compared to actual instances of rape. This is undeniable and will remain so no matter how long or how many times you or anyone else regurgitates that post. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/239 "2018-09-27T10:15:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is undeniable and yet every right-thinking person denies it. Sexual assault is a criminal offence. It is serious. Deprivation of liberty is a criminal offence. It is serious Whether there are other criminal offences, whether more serious or less serious is IRRELEVANT to the seriousness of these offences. Whether another victim had more injuries than this one does not in any way, shape or form mean that this SEXUAL ASSAULT is “not that serious”. It does not mean that this DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY is “not that serious”. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/240 "2018-09-27T10:51:09Z")
> [@blob](#): > > Whether another victim had more injuries than this one does not in any way, shape or form mean that this SEXUAL ASSAULT is “not that serious”. I’m getting more than a little tired of this. Maybe if I put it in caps it’ll finally sink in: I DID NOT SAY, AND I HAVE NEVER SAID, THAT SEXUAL ASSAULT IS NOT SERIOUS! What I have done is make the perfectly valid observation that what is alleged to have happened in this case is relatively minor compared to other more serious degrees of sexual assault. Let me put it this way: What if you were to say to me that you had an upper respiratory infection and that it makes you feel terrible and is the worst thing ever, and I were to answer that your infection is actually relatively minor because I have other things in mind, such as pneumonia, emphysema and lung cancer. Does that mean I’m alleging your upper respiratory infection is meaningless or not significant? Of course not. > [@blob](#): > > It does not mean that this DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY is “not that serious”. Same thing here. Do you insist that to be shoved into a room and onto a bed by a stumbling drunk kid and deprived of your liberty for five minutes or so is equivalent to being kidnapped, spirited off to an unknown location, and held captive for days or weeks and chained inside a small, cramped holding cell where you are forced to use a bucket for a toilet and are periodically raped? There is deprivation of liberty and then there is deprivation of liberty. I maintain that Ford’s deprivation of liberty, to the extent you want to make it about this, is relatively minor compared to that which many other women have faced. Again, this is undeniable, and plain as the nose on your face. I’m at a loss to understand why you people keep coming back to it. As for me, I think I’m just going to start posting links to the many posts I’ve already made on this subject every time somebody raises it with me again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=13)